ZECHARIAH 14 IS FOR CHRIST'S CHURCH

[Muna]

Are the canaanites (who are born in cana) still considered evil and still not allowed in the house of God by Jesus Christ?

 

[Davy]

As I had said, some... simply are being DECEIVED by SATAN'S HOST that wrongly preach Christ's Kingdom has already come today, and thus they also try... to push Bible prophecy about Christ's FUTURE LITERAL ESTABLISHING OF HIS KINGDOM HERE ON EARTH AS BEING PAST ALREADY, which is false.

Thus brethren in Christ, IF... you are NOT familiar with the globalist's New World Order or "one world government" plans being completed today, then simply study Revelation 13 thru Revelation 18 about that coming one-world BEAST KINGDOM over ALL NATIONS AND PEOPLES upon this earth at the END. God has ordained it (as shown in Joel 2). So no one is going to stop it EXCEPT OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST at His future 2nd coming!

 

[Davy]

Are the canaanites (who are born in cana) still considered evil and still not allowed in the house of God by Jesus Christ?

Christ's Salvation is offered to ALL... born in the flesh, even those descended of the Canaanites of old.

But the Canaanites that crept in among Israel, THAT DO NOT CONVERT TO JESUS CHRIST, are doomed to perish just as much as anyone born of Israel that REJECTS Jesus Christ as The Christ-Messiah.

This shouldn't be that difficult to figure out. SALVATION IS ONLY THROUGH THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST, and none other.

 

[Muna]

Christ's Salvation is offered to ALL... born in the flesh, even those descended of the Canaanites of old.

But the Canaanites that crept in among Israel, THAT DO NOT CONVERT TO JESUS CHRIST, are doomed to perish just as much as anyone born of Israel that REJECTS Jesus Christ as The Christ-Messiah.

This shouldn't be that difficult to figure out. SALVATION IS ONLY THROUGH THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST, and none other.

But that would be true of anyone wouldnt it?

 

[Davy]

But that would be true of anyone wouldnt it?

Read what I wrote, not what you 'think'... I wrote.

 

[Muna]

Read what I wrote, not what you 'think'... I wrote.

What I am asking is why mention the canaanites at all concerning the House of God, when its the same for anyone to come by the blood of Christ. Like, what makes the canaanites significant (whether after the flesh, or spiritually speaking). See what I am asking?

 

[Earburner]

Christ's FUTURE LITERAL KINGDOM has not BEGUN YET TODAY. Only His SPIRITUAL KINGDOM is manifest here on earth today! Read what Jesus said about that in John 18:36. Christ's LITERAL KINGDOM will manifest here on earth at His future 2nd coming. That is when He shall take LITERAL REIGN over all nations and peoples, LIKE THAT ZECHARIAH 14 CHAPTER SO STATES... in Zech.14:9, Zech.14:12, Zech.14:14, and Zech.14:16-19.

The Zechariah 14:21 verse about the Canaanites being cast out of The LORD's House is NOT symbolic, but the idea of animal sacrifices in that FUTURE time is... what is symbolic. That Zechariah 14 Chapter HAS NOT BEEN FULFILLED YET TODAY. It is future prophecy still, so those men who taught you to try and associate it as having already been fulfilled at Christ's 1st coming have LIED to you!

The Canaanite leftovers that Israel could not destroy per God's commandment in Deuteronomy 20, became bondservants to Israel and were under the Levite priests per God's Word. They became temple servants, which is what the word Nethinim means. They were cutters of wood and drawers of water for the temple in Solomon's day (1 Kings 9). That was not supposed to be allowed, no foreigner was to be allowed in the sanctuary, but only the Levites and sons of Aaron (per Book of Numbers).

By the time of Judah's captivity to Babylon, some of them had begun creeping into the priesthood. They were noticed during the return to Jerusalem, per Ezra and Nehemiah. Per 1 Chronicles 2:55, the Kenites who were of the foreigner nations of Canaan per Gen.15, had become the scribes of Israel; in care of keeping the letters of God's Word from generation to generation. They sided with the blind Pharisees against Lord Jesus. If you don't know that history, it means you get an 'F' in your Bible study of The Old Testament Books.

I understand who the Cannnites were then. Today, ever since Pentecost, they are symbolic of ALL the unsaved (both the heathen and the religious).
If they are not born again during God's present Age of His Grace, through faith in Christ, neither shall enter into the KoG, not now, nor shall they ever! Zech. 14:21.

 

[Davy]

What I am asking is why mention the canaanites at all concerning the House of God, when its the same for anyone to come by the blood of Christ. Like, what makes the canaanites significant (whether after the flesh, or spiritually speaking). See what I am asking?

Because NOT ALL of the 'crept in unawares' are believers on Jesus Christ.

Have you not read Jude 4?

Jude 4
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
KJV

Some were ordained by God to work against Him and His Son. That's about the "tares" in Christ's parable of the tares of the field in Matthew 13, where He said the devil sowed them, and they are destined to perish in the future "lake of fire".

Not everyone is going to convert to Faith on Jesus Christ. Those who think all will is man's doctrine called Universalism. It is a false doctrine not written in God's Word.

 

[Davy]

I understand who the Cannnites were then. Today, ever since Pentecost, they are symbolic of ALL the unsaved (both the heathen and the religious).
If they are not born again during God's present Age of His Grace, through faith in Christ, neither shall enter into the KoG, not now, nor shall they ever! Zech. 14:21.

Only those who have traced the Biblical history of the 'crept in unawares' among Israel, and especially among Judah, will grasp the meaning of the Canaanites being cast out of God's House per that Zechariah 14:21 verse.

 

[Muna]

Because NOT ALL of the 'crept in unawares' are believers on Jesus Christ.

Have you not read Jude 4?

Jude 4
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
KJV

Some were ordained by God to work against Him and His Son. That's about the "tares" in Christ's parable of the tares of the field in Matthew 13, where He said the devil sowed them, and they are destined to perish in the future "lake of fire".

Not everyone is going to convert to Faith on Jesus Christ. Those who think all will is man's doctrine called Universalism. It is a false doctrine not written in God's Word.

Yes, I have read Jude 4, and so in your understanding those in Jude who were ordained unto this condemnation (as it speaks) are simply signified in the Canaanites in the former mentions of Canaanites in the house of God, (for example, at least If I am understanding you correctly).

So it's not the Canaanites (after the flesh, so to speak) but rather what they signify (spiritually speaking) according to their evil works.

 

[Davy]

Yes, I have read Jude 4, and so in your understanding those in Jude who were ordained unto this condemnation (as it speaks) are simply signified in the Canaanites in the former mentions of Canaanites in the house of God, (for example, at least If I am understanding you correctly).

So it's not the Canaanites (after the flesh, so to speak) but rather what they signify (spiritually speaking) according to their evil works.

Sounds like you are bothered by some flesh-connection to evil.

As God's Word reveals, and that I have said, Christ's Salvation is offered to ALL born in the flesh, regardless of birth.

However, God's Word ALSO reveals that God has ORDAINED certain peoples to work the NEGATIVE SIDE of His Salvation Plan. This point in God's Word is difficult for many brethren to understand, since we hear the Salvation Message taught by the Church is for anyone who believes, suggesting that all people might come to the Faith on Christ.

The Biblical fact though, is that for this present world, NOT EVERYONE will have their opportunity to believe on Jesus Christ. That Jude 4 Scripture of those is one Biblical example of that. In Romans 9 when Apostle Paul spoke of how God 'hardened' Pharaoh's heart so that God's glory would manifest, that wasn't Pharaoh's own choice, but as influenced by God. Same thing in Romans 11 when Paul spoke of how God has spiritually blinded the majority of Jews during this present world away from The Gospel, so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles.

And what Apostle Peter said about the "brute beasts" should be an eye-opener to this matter...

2 Peter 2:12-22
12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, 'The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.'
KJV

When Lord Jesus returns in the future, and separates His sheep from the goats, then we will understand just why God had ordained certain ones during this present world to work the negative side of His Plan of Salvation. But until then, we can only speculate why.

 

[Muna]

Sounds like you are bothered by some flesh-connection to evil.

Not really, I am actually bothering to ask you about how you understand the canaanites in the house of God verse. That is why I posted, concerning how Simon the canaanite might apply (or not) to that which is laid out in what you posted. You brought in the definition of Canaanite in Simon's case (which you showed was zealous). And so I looked in the Hebrew pulling the word Canaanite from there which appears to show the same meaning. I am just curious what your take was on this concerning the verse you posted which brings in the Canaanites in the house of God, and how you are understanding it.

You yourself say that this does not matter so much after the flesh (Since Christ blood can cover these Canaanites/after the flesh if they repent and turn to God but I was interested in the significance of the Canaanites altogether in that passage and your application. And you shared you believed this has something to do with Jude's certain men ordained to this condemnation.

 

[Davy]

Not really, I am actually bothering to ask you about how you understand the canaanites in the house of God verse. That is why I posted, concerning how Simon the canaanite might apply (or not) to that which is laid out in what you posted. You brought in the definition of Canaanite in Simon's case (which you showed was zealous). And so I looked in the Hebrew pulling the word Canaanite from there which appears to show the same meaning. I am just curious what your take was on this concerning the verse you posted which brings in the Canaanites in the house of God, and how you are understanding it.

Are you sure... "my take" on the Zech.14:21 verse is what you are curious about, since I already answered that?

You yourself say that this does not matter so much after the flesh (Since Christ blood can cover these Canaanites/after the flesh if they repent and turn to God but I was interested in the significance of the Canaanites altogether in that passage and your application. And you shared you believed this has something to do with Jude's certain men ordained to this condemnation.

Why are you wanting argue over this instead of accepting that simple Zech.14:21 Scripture? And it's not just Jude 4 that reveals why... those specific Canaanites will be cast out of God's House, Jesus covered it too in Matthew 13 within His parable of the tares of the field...

Matt 13:36-43
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and His disciples came unto Him, saying, "Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field."
37 He answered and said unto them, "He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth His angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
KJV

Are you holding to men's false theories of Universalism which believes that ALL... peoples are eventually going to be saved?? That doctrine is NOT Biblical, and I think you well know that.

The Canaanites of the Zechariah 14:21 verse represent those "tares" in Christ's parable above. Those mean they refuse to convert to Faith on Jesus Christ, and thus will go into the "lake of fire" in final.

Either you believe what Lord Jesus said below, or you don't, so which is it?

John 8:20-24
20 These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as He taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on Him; for His hour was not yet come.
21 Then said Jesus again unto them, "I go my way, and ye shall seek Me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come."
22 Then said the Jews, "Will He kill Himself? because He saith, 'Whither I go, ye cannot come.'"
23 And He said unto them, "Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am He, ye shall die in your sins."
KJV

 

[Muna]

Are you sure... "my take" on the Zech.14:21 verse is what you are curious about, since I already answered that?



Why are you wanting argue over this instead of accepting that simple Zech.14:21 Scripture? And it's not just Jude 4 that reveals why... those specific Canaanites will be cast out of God's House, Jesus covered it too in Matthew 13 within His parable of the tares of the field...

Matt 13:36-43
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and His disciples came unto Him, saying, "Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field."
37 He answered and said unto them, "He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth His angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
KJV

Are you holding to men's false theories of Universalism which believes that ALL... peoples are eventually going to be saved?? That doctrine is NOT Biblical, and I think you well know that.

The Canaanites of the Zechariah 14:21 verse represent those "tares" in Christ's parable above. Those mean they refuse to convert to Faith on Jesus Christ, and thus will go into the "lake of fire" in final.

Either you believe what Lord Jesus said below, or you don't, so which is it?

John 8:20-24
20 These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as He taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on Him; for His hour was not yet come.
21 Then said Jesus again unto them, "I go my way, and ye shall seek Me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come."
22 Then said the Jews, "Will He kill Himself? because He saith, 'Whither I go, ye cannot come.'"
23 And He said unto them, "Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am He, ye shall die in your sins."
KJV

Oh my goodness Davy, can't even ask you a question, why so defensive?

You want to teach but no one to ask you a question without becoming a Karen?

 

[Muna]

I wish I could block this forum from coming up in "whats new" so I wouldn't step into as I sometimes do.

Forgive me for asking you a question, I should have known better seeing you are neither patient nor apt to teach.

 

[Davy]

Oh my goodness Davy, can't even ask you a question, why so defensive?

You want to teach but no one to ask you a question without becoming a Karen?

What kind... of reaction do you expect when someone keeps pounding after they have already been shown the answer to their question?

And I don't know or care what your "Karen" is. Nor would I advise that you go there, as I am a U.S. Vietnam veteran and worked for USAF as a civilian defense contractor for most of my life. So I don't have time for a bunch of nonsense.

 

[Muna]

What kind... of reaction do you expect when someone keeps pounding after they have already been shown the answer to their question?

And I don't know or care what your "Karen" is. Nor would I advise that you go there, as I am a U.S. Vietnam veteran and worked for USAF as a civilian defense contractor for most of my life. So I don't have time for a bunch of nonsense.

And I am a Veteran of the U.S Army, what does that have to do with anything?

They have no issue enlisting girly men these days, so that means nothing.

I did not feel you had answered my question as thoroughly as I would like, but behaving like that discourages anyone from asking questions, but I figured I had known you from years ago on other forums and had thought, he has some good things to share, lets see if he has gotten any better when it comes to asking him questions.

Nope, you have definitely not grown beyond the same kind of overblown reactions to questions.

 

[Davy]

And I am a Veteran of the U.S Army, what does that have to do with anything?

It means do not try... to associate me with your silly "Karen" slur, which I assume is used in place of terms like 'cry-baby'. That's how I took your use of it.

So you were a GRUNT huh?

I was a B-52D crew chief during the Vietnam War.

So don't call me a "Karen".

And NO... I'll not give you any more about your Zech.14:21 question, since you have not bothered to show the proper respect. I have answered your question already, or actually God's Word has answered it. So go bug someone else.

 

[WPM]

It means do not try... to associate me with your silly "Karen" slur, which I assume is used in place of terms like 'cry-baby'. That's how I took your use of it.

So you were a GRUNT huh?

I was a B-52D crew chief during the Vietnam War.

So don't call me a "Karen".

And NO... I'll not give you any more about your Zech.14:21 question, since you have not bothered to show the proper respect. I have answered your question already, or actually God's Word has answered it. So go bug someone else.

So, that makes you right? Get a life! Grow up and stop being so full of yourself.

 

[Muna]

It means do not try... to associate me with your silly "Karen" slur, which I assume is used in place of terms like 'cry-baby'. That's how I took your use of it.

So you were a GRUNT huh?

I was a B-52D crew chief during the Vietnam War.

So don't call me a "Karen".

And NO... I'll not give you any more about your Zech.14:21 question, since you have not bothered to show the proper respect. I have answered your question already, or actually God's Word has answered it. So go bug someone else.

Not infantry, Millitary Police, and you behave like a Karen no matter what secular government millitary you served in. Jesus could care less which service we previously served in, we should be serving Him, being a soldier of Christ, where our glory is not in carnal weaponry