amigo de christo
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all i am saying is that often folks are simply twisting the words that are already written down .It appears that you missed the fact that I gave Paul's explanation, not my own.
Yes, there is an elementary meaning to the parables and most of scripture--but you would have to leave the Spirit and the fact that the words are spirit out--to stop there. Jesus didn't stop there...and they are His words.
As for confusion, seeing the Word of God as only allegory--that is confusion, for it only accounts for the natural and not the spiritual. To the contrary, it is the Spirit that is Truth, and the natural merely a likeness if at all. What do the scriptures say? Man in his elementary worldly state "is natural", and "let God be true but every man a liar." Therein lies the confusion.
As for idealizing the apostles--see, I have offended you--therefore my point is shown to be true! The point is--even the greatest of men did not know many things from the Word of God without explanation, and much of the explanation was not natural or elementary, but "higher" as God is higher. Did any of us read the Bible, and when finished put it down saying, "Ah ha, now I have complete understanding!?"
Granted, the Bible does not have to be as complicated as people make it out to be--just look at all the formulas and charts and hair-brain theories! But that is not what I have been doing--but just the opposite--I have been speaking of them in a simple plain way of connecting what men have not connected, and dividing what men have not divided--which is the bridge to "all truth" which was to come and has come. But because of the old ways of many, many find the simple truth confusing. Go figure.
But don't throw all men out with the untrustworthy (I know you did not, but many do). For God "Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers."
@Davy
In fact , as i am sure you know already , we got folks even twisting the very parables JESUS himself had not only spoke
But had even GIVEN the interpreation of them .
And of course i dont throw all men out with the untrustworthy .
However my point is , that you nor any man can simply trust even what i say as though i am always right .
Even if i have taught zero error , STILL every time i speak i must be always tested .
WE cannot trust in men . That is my point . And my point is that the bible is no where near
as complicated as these so called men try and say it is .
THE REASON they do so is for control my friend .
Most of what is written is quite plain to those who do have the Spirit . now i do know some places
are not quite so simple , specially at the first .
BUT the key is this , if we had the SPIRIT would we not have had the love of the T RUTH upon our hearts .
WE would not sit under men that twisted things . Even in the beginning
And knowing far far less than i do now , By grace i always knew when something was not adding up .
GOD DID THAT . HE kept me safe and IN the BIBLE to learn from HIM .
And even now no man can say i have ever once said I KNOW IT ALL , yOU ALL NEED to heed ME and no man can learn
the bible lest they sit under ME . I NEVER ONCE have said this .
ANY MAN who gets up and says to any other that they cannot learn the bible for themselves , IS A MAN I REFUSE TO HEED .
Any true teacher , and yes there are some true teachers , WOULD NEVER
give such a command that unless you know this greek or that hermes , sitting under us and our scholars ,
YOU simply cannot learn the bible for yourself . AND any that does so , GONNA BE Exposed by ME .
Now i aint sayin g you have ever once said that . I AM JUST saying it .