JOHN 3:1 ISRAEL MUST BE BORN AGAIN
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Sure does!
Isaiah 9:6
6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
how ironic. you use a verse ,but use it wrong . it woulds seam you'er so intent to make Jesus into the most high God ,at any cost. but to make that happen there has to be some contrivance done. even adulteration of scripture . sure Jesus can be considered to be a god but then you try to make him the God . it don't fly.
Jesus is a false god??? Good luck on Judgment Day!
You sure ignore a lot of Scripture!
"Peter said to Jesus, "Lord you know ALL THINGS"!
ONLY God knows all things!
what of Matthew 24:36
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Philippians 2:5-8
Who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
7 He emptied Himself, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
ONLY God is "equal with God"!
Jesus is God!
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Isaiah 46:5 "To whom will you liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?" God's uniqueness and incomparability, highlighting that there is no one who can be compared to Him .
And that's Jesus speaking!
Isaiah 48:16-17
16 "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me."17 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, The Holy One of Israel: "I am the LORD your God, Who teaches you to profit, Who leads you by the way you should go.
See, God can send Himself!
Gary Mac
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Actually the Spirit of God who was in Jesus was the almighty in that man and is God. If Jesus was all almighty, then the One he said that he could do noting at all without and Who sent him was a subordinate?
Same Almighty is in me, anointed o fGods same Spirit of mind, same mind of God be in me Who was in Christ Jesus. Supposed to be in you all as well, but that isnt going to happen is it?
And according to you guys -- this God that Jesus called Father was a subordinate? -- John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
And what about this God that Jesus called Father was a subordinate? John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.
And Jesus made His own doctrine, and that subordinate Father didnt? John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
And let's take a look at this subordinate that you guys say Jesus was God and the One he spoke of was under Jesus rule?
Something just doesnt add up here in you guys doctrines of a man as a god named Jesus and rules over the One Jesus spoke of himself that he said sent him?
So -- Someone is lying, either Jesus was lying when he said his God sent him, or you guys are a liar and falsely accuse him of being God, or -- Jesus was correct in who he said he was in God.
Which is guys? Either you guys are lying about Jesus being God, or Jesus was lying about the God he could do noting at all without.
Sorry but I have to go with Jesus in this one.
John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you
John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.
John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.
Doesn't prove that Jesus isn't God! Thomas said Jesus is God. Jesus taught Thomas personally! Jesus is God.
You're not the Creator Gary. Jesus is!
Col 1 By Jesus all things were created!
You guys, meaning Bible believers!
You don't know that God can send Himself? Read Isaiah!
Isaiah 48:16-17
16 "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me. "17 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, The Holy One of Israel: "I am the LORD your God,
Sounds like Kingdom Hall propaganda!
John 1 The Word was God!
The Word became flesh ...
Ronald Nolette
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If you deny the trinity- yuo have no idea who God is.
The rest of your post is just a horeendous mish mash of grammatically horrid writing that I can barely understand.
Gary Mac
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You cant know God at all least He come to you and open all of His heaven in you. Not even Jesus could escape that fact proven in Matt 3:16.
I agree, so was Jesus to the same, they didnt understand his grammar either and was a blasphemer as well for the very same reason that I am. Spiritually it is discerned, that is exactly why grammatically there is no way you will understand at all.
You have tree persons as gods, instead of receiving in you the same One as Jesus did in Matt 3:16, Adam did in Gen 3:22, Abraham, Moses, Mary, 120 and all today who has receive the very same God in us.
Matt 3;16 really isnt that hart to understand all one has to do is read it, but evidently grammatically it is a jumbled up miss mash for you.
Until you receive the same, and only God Himself can open your understanding about Him, you never ever will understand who Jesus said he was in the Father.
I even copy and past who Jesus said he was in God and grammatically he is all out of portion and is made to be a liar by you making him to be a god in spite of who he said he was in God, only because you cannot understand what he said of himself and his God who sent him because grammatically as you see it but actually is from lack of the same Spirit be in you who was in Jesus, he cant get his message across to you at all.
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Gary Mac
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Thomas never said Jesus was God not after Jesus told him that God who is a Spirit doesnt have flesh and bone as you see me. That is when Thomas saw the same God as Jesus did in Matt 3:16. My Lord and my God. Jesus is only Lord if you follow him to his Lord God that he called father of His own Spirit that is Holy. You dont see the And between Lord that Jesus is and God who the Father is, is all.
You really cant make that distinction.
Should I post again to you who Jesus said he was in the God that he called Father? Looks like wi will have to. You can deny hi all that like but Jesus knew who he was in God, and obviously you cannot relate to the same One in you.
Jesus dint create anything and said so, you only call him a liar when he said this,
John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Not according to Jesus. You might try following Jesus sometime, he is the one who had it right not Paul.
John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.
John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
It would to one who never has met the same God as Adam did in Gen 3:22 when he to became like Him, or Abraham did, or Moses did, or Mary did, or Jesus did in Matt 3:16 or 120 in an upper room did.
No not was -- IS, John 1 is where Gods word resides in man. John 1 is about you and where His word resides in man. But obviously His word doesnt apply to you at all does it?
That is exactly right just as I said in your flesh, or is supposed to be. All that you see of words is written in ink or on stone, you cant relate at alll that His word lives within man, His living word that is not written on stone nor in ink but ion the hearts and mains of us all who He is come to by the Spirit He is and opened in us who He is and all of His heaven in us.
It would do you well to receive His word just as Jesus did in att 3:16, for God is the only one who can give you His word. the Bible cant give you that at all it isnt designed for that it is designed as a tutorial to lead you for how to receive from God Himself His word just as expressed over in and over in all of these we read of who did receive His word, Spirit, in us. It would do you well to at least consider that God is the only way to His word, not even Jesus could escape that fact proven in Matt 3:16, by God Himself open it in Jesus himself. That obvious is blaspheme for you isnt it -- and Jesus didnt need God to open anything in him as is written that He did isnt it? LOL.
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Ronald Nolette
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No, Jesus spoke proper grammar. He created all languages and rules of grammar. You just butcher teh english language in your writings. They couldn't understand the message but they understood His words.
Gary Mac
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My point exactly -- It is that you can not understand what he said about him being of the God who sent him to show you the way to his God? He was quite clear in that but obviously you h ave a very hard time understanding who he said he was in the Father.
Man did if that is what you mean. God didnt write anything, nor did Jesus.
Just as Jesus did in the Hebrew and Greek by those who didnt understand him either just as you and falsely accused him of being God from the same ignorance as these had of Jesus understandings.
They understood his words in carnality just as you are doing, which has a whole different meaning from a Spiritual mind of God and a carnal mind of man.
Only did those who received from God His Spirit of mind understood what it was to be in the Father, everyone else as yourself only has your own beliefs about it.
When did God come to you and open up who He is and all of His heaven in you as He did in all of these we read of where you would be exactly as these became who did, mainly Jesus. If He had your doctrine would be the same as Jesus doctrine was and Jesus was very clear that his doctrine was not his own but his Gods who sent him.
Read it. 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
That is the doctrine foreign to your own understanding. You dont believe Jesus in anything he said, why? Because of his grammar, or lack in having the same mind of God be in you who was in Christ Jesus? Seems to be both!
Gary Mac
Member
What is to try, it is what it is, if you do not believe what it says then noting needs be said at all.
Yes he did. When Jesus explained to Thomas that God is a Spirit and not flesh and bone, Thomas saw the truth. I said the very same thing when I also believes Jesus was God until the same was opened in me that God doesnt haver flesh and bone as I was seeing Jesus had, and my same sentiments were -- My Lord and my God how have I meed you all these yeas of mans doctrine instead.
May I ask of you -- why are you so opposed to what Jesus said? What makes you ruler over himself? You are just as I was before I saw who God really is. and I can tell you now just as Jesus is trying to tell you that God who is a Spirit doesnt have flesh and bone as you see me. Some here even falsely accuse me of the same saying that I think I am God or Jesus, for the very same reason Jesus was accused of and is accused of this day. LOL.
Your rebuttal is not with me at all, it is with Jesus himself in who he said he was in the Father.
Thomas called Jesus "GOD"! Why do you have a problem with that? Jesus is God the Creator.
Gary Mac
Member
No he did not, Thomas said my Lord and my God when he saw that God who is a Spirit as Jesus told Thomas, and is telling you the same thing, that Spirit doesnt have flesh and bone as you see me.
I dont have a problem with that at all, I listened to Jesus in what he said about God who is a Spirit and doesnt have flesh and bone as you see a man as a god LOL
Perhaps someday, and I pray that you so, that you will actually start listening to Jesus instead of what man says about him. But I have my doubts.
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