WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

[GodsGrace]

Yes and a whole lot more follow Pauls doctrine about Jesus than ever did follow Jesus in who he said he was in God.

I can, after 10 years of this, attest to the fact that some prefer Paul over Jesus thinking that Paul taught something different.
This idea would make the New Testament of no value....
Paul taught exactly what Jesus taught.
He just says it in a more scholarly way and instead Jesus wanted to make sure that everyone understood Him.

Me either that is why I only copy and past who Jesus said he was in God.


Amen, Im liking you more and more.

We're not going to agree on everything Gary Mac...
but we're still brothers in Christ.
(except that I'm a girl).

 

[GodsGrace]

LOL -- I Do? That is hilarious! Jesus was my brother, we have the same Father who is God.

But I am honored that you compare me with him.


You are the one who said it LOL.


Same deity of God is in us all who has received in us His deity to walk in it as He walks in it.

This is what I mean....
The same deity of §God is in ALL OF US??

We are asked to walk in the teachings of Jesus...
not in His deity.
I suppose you believe in Theosis or apotheosis.

That is because you refuse to walk in it as Jesus did as is command of you if you were of Christ, anointed of God yourself.

Well Gary Mac...
you don't know me enough to know if I walk with Jesus or not.
And walking with Him is as close as I'll get to being anything like Him...
Jesus is God.
I am not.

Amen and the kingdom of God, His deity, does not come with observation, it is with me, Luke 17:20-21, but obviously not in you for sure!

Another insult.
How do you know what is in me?

But I do agree that the Kingdom of God is within us.
Because Jesus said so.

Luke 17:21 Jesus states that the Kingdom of God IS IN YOUR MIDST.
The KJV says WITHIN YOU.

I'll take either version.

 

[GodsGrace]

Which baptism are you referring to? Water or Spirit?

The NT refers to baptism as water baptism.
So the verses I posted state that water baptism cleanses us from sin.

 

[GodsGrace]

Water Baptism is imaginary, just because your unable to see something doesn’t mean it isn’t viewable by others.

I’m not stating that your any less a Christian than anyone else here on this forum, but have you ever considered that possibly God reveals Himself to others in different ways?

So nice of you to state that I might just possibly be Christian.

HOW would YOU say God reveals Himself?
I believe He reveals Himself in different ways...
but THE TRUTH must remain the same --- even if limited.

If someone is baptized...God has already revealed Himself....

 

[GodsGrace]

You seem very insincere, so I’ll give you one reference with a question;

Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
— Ephesians 4:13

The question is does this apply to the females in the body also or just the males?

What?
Are you seriously asking me that?

If you want to discuss Ephesians 4:13 that would be fine.

If you're going to ask silly questions,,,then I'm done.

 

[GodsGrace]

Every person needs to be exhorted to behave properly.

If a man goes into a rage into some church and turns over tables and chairs and makes a whip and drives people out, would you consider that as behaving properly?

I bet those at the end of that whip didnt see it as good behavior. Jesus was human just as you and I and obviously he got angry just as you and I can get at times.

The other member stated that we are like little Jesus'.
Jesus did NOT require exhortation to behave properly.

WE DO.

So I'd like the other member to explain how we are little Jesus' IF we need to be told how to behave.

 

[GodsGrace]

OK I won't judge them as they judge me LOL

Now you are getting the message, thank you for that confirmation.


You are welcome.

BTW, where did I judge anyone? It isnt up to me to judge anyone as they judge me for blasphamey and Jesus is accused of the same when all that I do is quote who he said he was in God and you are supposed to have the same as he received from God, no different that I am in our Father Who is God.

You judged my state of salvation 2X that I can think of.

We can judge the behavior of a Christian or Matthew 18 would make no sense.

However, we are not able to judge the soul of a person...
only GOD can now the state of a person's soul.

 

[Gary Mac]

When the NT speaks about Jesus having the fullness of God it's to demonstrate that He IS God.

If that were so then I am God as well -- for the same fulness of God, same Spirit of mind Who was in Christ Jesus is in me no different at all who was in Christ Jesus. Is supposed to be in you all as well.

If we say we have the same fulness...aren't we saying we're little gods??

Exactly. People seem to think that God will not give them the same mind He put into Jesus. They do not believe God is able.

As to the fullness of Jesus belonging to the church...
I think this is out of the context of what is being said
but I've never really thought of this and have never heard it taught.
It could be correct....maybe this is why we say that even though the church can be corrupted...
God's Church never can be.

Aman Gods church are all who has received from God Himself the same as He put with Jesus in Matt 3:16 opening up all of who He is and all of His heaven in those who will receive Him as Jesus did. If you ae not received from God that same renewing of mind you are none of His at all and of the doctrines of man and their creeds for a god instead.

This just means that we live off the grace of God/Jesus.

John 1:16

Actually it means we live the same life as Jesus lived in the Father.

​

Verse New International Version Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. New Living Translation From his abundance we have all received one gracious blessing after another. English Standard Version For from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. Amplified Bible For out of His fullness [the superabundance of His grace and truth] we have all received grace upon grace [spiritual blessing upon spiritual blessing, favor upon favor, and gift heaped upon gift].

And we are Christs, plural, and Christ is Gods.

Jesus is stating that He wants us (we Christians) to be of one heart and of one mind.

And the only way that can happen is if you have received the same mind from God, Spirit, as Jesus did in Matt 3:16. There is no way you can know God nor His heaven without it.

John 17:23

New International Version
I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

New Living Translation
I am in them and you are in me. May they experience such perfect unity that the world will know that you sent me and that you love them as much as you love me.

English Standard Version
I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me.

Berean Standard Bible
I in them and You in Me—that they may be perfectly united, so that the world may know that You sent Me and have loved them just as You have loved Me.

And all that are are perfect even as our Father ion heaven is perfect. Matt 5:48.


Ephesians 4:13 tell us that we are to be mature Christians...skilled workers...working together,,,fully developed in Christ.

New International Version
until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

New Living Translation
This will continue until we all come to such unity in our faith and knowledge of God’s Son that we will be mature in the Lord, measuring up to the full and complete standard of Christ.

English Standard Version
until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ,

Berean Standard Bible
until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God, as we mature to the full measure of the stature of Christ.

Amplified Bible
until we all reach oneness in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God, [growing spiritually] to become a mature believer, reaching to the measure of the fullness of Christ [manifesting His spiritual completeness and exercising our spiritual gifts in unity].


As you can see, none of the above scriptures which YOU posted state that we will become LIKE Christ...
Jesus said that only God is good...so what you're stating would be a contradiction.

It's important to really understand what a verse is stating.
I like versions that are easy to understand so that there's no misunderstanding.

Better yet hear from God yourself as Jesus did and receive His word that only He can place with you, instead of what it written by man on stone or in ink and has formed laws to regulate that belief from their own perspectives.

It is quite the different understanding when God Himself opens in you who he is and all of His heaven in you. the Bible is not the word of God at all, it is not an historical document, it is a religious document compiled by mans ideas for a god, That is why God stress in it that it is so important to get your information from Him instead of what man says about Him.

And if you will do that here is what will happen. John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

Very few even believe Jesus in that at all. And when that actually happens in a man, there really is no need for a bible as a tutorial, it did its job, fulfilled in that is what it is designed to do, to lead you to Christ to be anointed of God yourself just as Jesus received and didnt need any man teach him for God became his tutor instead of mans laws written in ink, and be that same person of His anointing, Christ in you to walk in it as He walks in it as Jesus did.

That is impossible isnt it, even though it is written and you read it that ye be, and when, or if, you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him instead of all these speculations from mans ideas. 1 John 3:2.

 

[Gary Mac]

The other member stated that we are like little Jesus'.

No different at all if you have the same Spirit of God, mind, in you who was in Christ Jesus. If you are different from who Jesus said he was in God, then you are none of his at all.

Jesus did NOT require exhortation to behave properly.

No one does who has the same mind, Spirit, of God as our own. We walk as He walks in it.

WE DO.

So I'd like the other member to explain how we are little Jesus' IF we need to be told how to behave.

I dont know what he means by little Jesus, but if the same mind is not in you who was in Jesus then you are none of Gods children as Jesus was His child, His son. And most of these think God had only one child, and that leaves them completely out of being a child of God themselves doesnt it? .

 

[Gary Mac]

You judged my state of salvation 2X that I can think of.

2X? There is only one salvation from God and that only comes by God Himself be in you to have His same knowledge of mind. Anything else is mans own salvation for their own gods that they have established that they can control instead.

We can judge the behavior of a Christian or Matthew 18 would make no sense.

Absolutely it isnt hard to compare people with who Jesus was in God, if they are not the same then the evidence is very clear.

However, we are not able to judge the soul of a person...

But we can compare what they say of themselves in self beliefs from who Jesus said he was in GHod that was not his now beliefs at all but came from God Himself to be in His same Spiritual image that God is.

only GOD can now the state of a person's soul.

And you know very well if you are like Him as Jesus was like Him or not. And so do all who has the same from God as Jesus received from Him His same Spirit of mind are identified with Him,

Those who are not like Jesus was in the Father are identified with mans own opinions about God and Jesus and are of mans laws that govern their own beliefs, ideas for a god instead.

You are that person of Christ who is nointed of God or you are not. And you know very well if you are or not, and those who are it isnt hard to see who is and who isnt as Jesus was in the same God he was of as man is supposed to be.

 

[Waiting on him]

If that were so then I am God as well -- for the same fulness of God, same Spirit of mind Who was in Christ Jesus is in me no different at all who was in Christ Jesus. Is supposed to be in you all as well.


Exactly. People seem to think that God will not give them the same mind He put into Jesus. They do not believe God is able.


Aman Gods church are all who has received from God Himself the same as He put with Jesus in Matt 3:16 opening up all of who He is and all of His heaven in those who will receive Him as Jesus did. If you ae not received from God that same renewing of mind you are none of His at all and of the doctrines of man and their creeds for a god instead.



Actually it means we live the same life as Jesus lived in the Father.

And the only way that can happen is if you have received the same mind from God, Spirit, as Jesus did in Matt 3:16. There is no way you can know God nor His heaven without it.

Better yet hear from God yourself as Jesus did and receive His word that only He can place with you, instead of what it written by man on stone or in ink and has formed laws to regulate that belief from their own perspectives.

It is quite the different understanding when God Himself opens in you who he is and all of His heaven in you. the Bible is not the word of God at all, it is not an historical document, it is a religious document compiled by mans ideas for a god, That is why God stress in it that it is so important to get your information from Him instead of what man says about Him.

And if you will do that here is what will happen. John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

Very few even believe Jesus in that at all. And when that actually happens in a man, there really is no need for a bible as a tutorial, it did its job, fulfilled in that is what it is designed to do, to lead you to Christ to be anointed of God yourself just as Jesus received and didnt need any man teach him for God became his tutor instead of mans laws written in ink, and be that same person of His anointing, Christ in you to walk in it as He walks in it as Jesus did.

That is impossible isnt it, even though it is written and you read it that ye be, and when, or if, you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him instead of all these speculations from mans ideas. 1 John 3:2.

Probably why it is called the reconciliation.

 

[Gary Mac]

Probably why it is called the reconciliation.

Exactly! Thank you. A reunion, a birthday party.

How do you like my avatar, a self portrait I painted of myself!

BTW I have been banned they claim that I questioned somes salvation, non Christian values, SO Im accuse of non christian, are they going to ban themselves for the same violation ? All that I did was repeat what salvation is from Jesus himself LOL. I guess I can see when Jesus is quoted for who he was in God would be non Christin values for some here.

 

[GodsGrace]

If that were so then I am God as well -- for the same fulness of God, same Spirit of mind Who was in Christ Jesus is in me no different at all who was in Christ Jesus. Is supposed to be in you all as well.

We are instructed to have the same mind as Jesus..
To think as He would think....
To behave as He would behave.

I wouldn't say this is the same as having the same fullness of God.
Are you a LDS believer?

Exactly. People seem to think that God will not give them the same mind He put into Jesus. They do not believe God is able.

It's not that God is not able...
it's that we cannot have THE SAME mind as Jesus.
That would make us be Jesus.

Aman Gods church are all who has received from God Himself the same as He put with Jesus in Matt 3:16 opening up all of who He is and all of His heaven in those who will receive Him as Jesus did. If you ae not received from God that same renewing of mind you are none of His at all and of the doctrines of man and their creeds for a god instead.

I like creeds.
They were necessary in the early church to keep gnosticism out of the early church and to keep heresies out of the early church.
All a creed does is to proclaim, teach and confirm what a biblical belief is...to clarify it.

If a person does not adhere to one of the creeds, he really cannot define himself as Christian.

We are told to renew our minds...this is correct.

Romans 12:2
2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

Actually it means we live the same life as Jesus lived in the Father.

And the only way that can happen is if you have received the same mind from God, Spirit, as Jesus did in Matt 3:16. There is no way you can know God nor His heaven without it.

Matthew 3:16
16 After his baptism, as Jesus came up out of the water, the heavens were opened and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and settling on him.

Do you believe Jesus did NOT have the spirit of God before His baptism?

Better yet hear from God yourself as Jesus did and receive His word that only He can place with you, instead of what it written by man on stone or in ink and has formed laws to regulate that belief from their own perspectives.

It is quite the different understanding when God Himself opens in you who he is and all of His heaven in you. the Bible is not the word of God at all, it is not an historical document, it is a religious document compiled by mans ideas for a god, That is why God stress in it that it is so important to get your information from Him instead of what man says about Him.

When Jesus returned to the Father He left instructions with His Apostles to go into all the world and teach.
Many heresies entered into the church.
This is why it was decided to put everything down in writing,,,,
so that the teachings of Jesus could not be changed.
They were, unfortunately, changed at the Reformation.
It teaches what was never before taught in the Christian church.

But yes, God also has to speak to us individually...
otherwise we practice Islam.

And if you will do that here is what will happen. John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

Very few even believe Jesus in that at all. And when that actually happens in a man, there really is no need for a bible as a tutorial, it did its job, fulfilled in that is what it is designed to do, to lead you to Christ to be anointed of God yourself just as Jesus received and didnt need any man teach him for God became his tutor instead of mans laws written in ink, and be that same person of His anointing, Christ in you to walk in it as He walks in it as Jesus did.

Unfortunately Gary Mac....man needs a book.
Man needs instruction.
This is due to the sin nature of man....
This is a complicated topic.

That is impossible isnt it, even though it is written and you read it that ye be, and when, or if, you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him instead of all these speculations from mans ideas. 1 John 3:2.

I don't understand what is impossible...

 

[Waiting on him]

That’s because the definition for Christianity today is belief in a tyrant god of the Old Testament and a Demi god that’s founded in Roman Catholic Mythology.

@Gary Mac

 

[Waiting on him]

Exactly! Thank you. A reunion, a birthday party.

How do you like my avatar, a self portrait I painted of myself!

BTW I have been banned they claim that I questioned somes salvation, non Christian values, SO Im accuse of non christian, are they going to ban themselves for the same violation ? All that I did was repeat what salvation is from Jesus himself LOL. I guess I can see when Jesus is quoted for who he was in God would be non Christin values for some here.

Like the avatar,your very talented

 

[GodsGrace]

Exactly! Thank you. A reunion, a birthday party.

How do you like my avatar, a self portrait I painted of myself!

BTW I have been banned they claim that I questioned somes salvation, non Christian values, SO Im accuse of non christian, are they going to ban themselves for the same violation ? All that I did was repeat what salvation is from Jesus himself LOL. I guess I can see when Jesus is quoted for who he was in God would be non Christin values for some here.

Love your avatar!

Here's the problem:
Persons that write CHRISTIAN under their avatar and then do not hold to ANY mainstream Christian beliefs should not be allowed to use the title CHRISTIAN.

Christian means something very specific.
A person cannot give Christianity a definition that is suitable to HIM.
Christianity has already been established....
We already know what allows a person to be identified a Christian.

If you do NOT respect this definition, then you should not call yourself a Christian.

(this does not imply that the person is not saved).

 

[Gary Mac]

Exactly! Thank you. A reunion, a birthday party.

How do you like my avatar, a self portrait I painted of myself!

BTW I have been banned they claim that I questioned does salvation, All that I did was reset what salvation is from Jesus himself LOL.

That’s because the definition for Christianity today is belief in a tyrant god of the Old Testament and a Demi god that’s founded in Roman Catholic Mythology.

@Gary Mac

Now that is the first thing I have heard on this forum that is a truth. Thank you! And you are spot on and is a cray over from Greek mythology who worshiped men as a god no different from these denominational beliefs today. They cant relate at all to a God of Spirit of Love and man is the temple of Him. That just doesnt compute with these whose god is flesh instead of Spirit that resides in man.

 

[Gary Mac]

We are instructed to have the same mind as Jesus..
To think as He would think....
To behave as He would behave.

Amen-- but few do, and worship a man as a god instead of receiving the One Jesus received in Matt 3:16 themselves who gives us His same Spirit of mind top walk in it as He walks in it as He did Jesus. .

I wouldn't say this is the same as having the same fullness of God.
Are you a LDS believer?

Im a son of God His child just as Jesus was His cild and my brother if that is what you mean. We have the same Father who is God.

It's not that God is not able...
it's that we cannot have THE SAME mind as Jesus.
That would make us be Jesus.

The there was no use for God to send Jesus at all as example of runs to be like according to what you just said . If Jesus ever gave a command that is not possible to achieve in you then there is no use in trying to follow him in Gods perfection at all when Jesus commanded of you to be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect, See father be in you and you I n Him as one as Jesus was ion the Father and the Father was in him as one that Jesus prayed to for you to be.

Truth is Jesus has no power over you at all with that attitude rejecting the very reason that God sent him.

I like creeds.

That is very obvious.

They were necessary in the early church to keep gnosticism out of the early church and to keep heresies out of the early church.

In the early church even to this day all who has received from God Himself the creeds of man in their laws to regulate their gods, is replaced with the same Spirit in us who was in Christ Jesus that is not of creedal laws at all and set free from mans beliefs for a god.

All a creed does is to proclaim, teach and confirm what a biblical belief is...to clarify it.

All that creeds do is teach you to obey their own laws that have established for a belief for a god that they can control to obey them in their beliefs. And beliefs for a god cane be anything so obvious in all these denominational creeds that man has established their laws to regulate their beefs for a god.

But I do agree you are of one of them, which one, The Catholics creed, Mormon Creed, Lutheran Creed, Church of Christ creed, AOGs creed, Baptists creed, Muslims creed for a god?

Sense you are of one of these creeds of man which one do you creed to?

If a person does not adhere to one of the creeds, he really cannot define himself as Christian.

Again which one of these creeds of man are you chained to?

We are told to renew our minds...this is correct.

But to you renewing your mind come by the laws of a creed, a belief for a god. Man has renewed your minf=-d to think in their terms for a god of flesh.

Romans 12:2
2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

Van be renewed at all with Gods same knowledge least He comes to you and open in you who He is and all of His heaven in your. Not even Jesus could escape that fact proven in Matt 3:16 when God opened his mind, renewed it from the creedal laws of the Jews that he was rabbi of. You just choose to stay in those creeds of man that God freed Jesus from and freed us all who has received in us the same God as Jesus did. Born again with that same renting of our mind.

Matthew 3:16
16 After his baptism, as Jesus came up out of the water, the heavens were opened and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and settling on him.

Just as all do who God comes to reside in and just as with Jesus is as gentile as a dove.

Do you believe Jesus did NOT have the spirit of God before His baptism?

Absolutely he did not or it would have been useless for God to come and do it again, LOL

When Jesus returned to the Father He left instructions with His Apostles to go into all the world and teach.

Yes and not teach their own ideas for a god, but live it, be that living example for what it is to be of God just as Jesus said if you cannot believe what I say, believe that what I do, and we are to be no different from that same example at all. Show them dont spew a lot of words they will not understand show them by example as Jesus did.

Many heresies entered into the church.

Not Gods church, that is impossible. These creeds of man are not Gods church at all, Gods church are exactly as He is and in His same image, we walk as He walks in it just as Jesus was His church and walks in it.

This is why it was decided to put everything down in writing,,,,

The only reason it is in writing is for a tutorial for how to receive from God yourself. An instruction manual.

so that the teachings of Jesus could not be changed.

True and one cant teach what Jesus taught at all without the same God be in them who was in Jesus. Jesus didnt teach himself, God taught him and we are no different from the same knowledge from God Himself at all. Cant teach it without it!

They were, unfortunately, changed at the Reformation.

By man who cannot receive from God the very same as Jesus did from God instead, amen.

It teaches what was never before taught in the Christian church.

Still inst thought in the majority of these so called churches. Thet have their own creeds for a god they have developed on their own image.

But yes, God also has to speak to us individually...

No other way to know Him at all. One on one.

otherwise we practice Islam.

Or catholic or Mormon, or Jews, or Jehovah Witness, or Church of Christ, or Baptists or Muslims, or one of the some 35,000 different known belief systems called denominations.

Unfortunately Gary Mac....man needs a book.

Yes an instruction manual for how to, sadly most of these dont know how to follow instructions in it for a finished product to be put together in results for perfection to be perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect, and that is totally out of the question for most, and will tell you that is impossible to be perfect as God is perfect. These read the instructions but do not follow them and at the end wind up with a few spare parts that dont fit and dont know what to do with them.

Man needs instruction.

Ys and not from man Burt from God Himself. Just as Jesus received instruction from Giod, Adam received instruction from God, Gen 3:22 he was the very first to follow this instruction from God Himself, Abraham Moses Mary Jesus 120 all eventually followed the instructions for that finished product that is perfect.

What is so ironic is, the only thing on this planet that is perfect and never changes, is the same yesterday as it is today and will be the very same tomorrow. And that is Love it never changes and man is the temple of it for God is love.

SO simply yet so difficult for those who are of the creeds of man for a belief for a god instead of being of Him, Love.

This is due to the sin nature of man....

Ye rebellion to receive the mind of God that is Holy Love.

This is a complicated topic.

Only because man refuses to obey and receive the Love in themselves that God is. In that the law is fulfilled, if Love truly is your disposition, Loving you neighbor isnt a thing we try and do, it is who we actually are and do. The law fulfilled in us.

I don't understand what is impossible...

Me either. In God all things are possible, except that it is impossible to be in sin if you are born of God and perfect even as your father in heaven is perfect. in that is it impossible to be in sin, cannot sin because we are born of God Himself. 1 John 3:9.

 

[Gary Mac]

Like the avatar,your very talented

Thank you I am an artist, a painter and sculptor. I used to go into prisons counseling inmates and would set up and use painting as an illustration to make a point to inmates. I did that for over 25 years, not because I was supposed to but because I had love for these guys enough to try and let them know that someone actually loves them without stipulations to just have a friend. A very hard thing to win over these fore they all are skeptical of mans motives. Especially in the Texas Youth Comissin who housed inmates from 13 years old to 19 years old. They were the worse to try an convince them I was there just to be a friend to them. And some would finally make me their friend but most did not. And I didnt go preaching a religion about Jesus at all, I went soul'ey to make a friend and help them if I could. But in that friendship I was able to be that witness of Gods love and many eventually came to the knowledge of God, and many didnt. But my reward was at least I tried and just as with Jesus in Matt 13:58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief, but some did.

 

[GodsGrace]

Amen-- but few do, and worship a man as a god instead of receiving the One Jesus received in Matt 3:16 themselves who gives us His same Spirit of mind top walk in it as He walks in it as He did Jesus. .

Im a son of God His child just as Jesus was His cild and my brother if that is what you mean. We have the same Father who is God.


The there was no use for God to send Jesus at all as example of runs to be like according to what you just said . If Jesus ever gave a command that is not possible to achieve in you then there is no use in trying to follow him in Gods perfection at all when Jesus commanded of you to be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect, See father be in you and you I n Him as one as Jesus was ion the Father and the Father was in him as one that Jesus prayed to for you to be.

Truth is Jesus has no power over you at all with that attitude rejecting the very reason that God sent him.


That is very obvious.

In the early church even to this day all who has received from God Himself the creeds of man in their laws to regulate their gods, is replaced with the same Spirit in us who was in Christ Jesus that is not of creedal laws at all and set free from mans beliefs for a god.


All that creeds do is teach you to obey their own laws that have established for a belief for a god that they can control to obey them in their beliefs. And beliefs for a god cane be anything so obvious in all these denominational creeds that man has established their laws to regulate their beefs for a god.

But I do agree you are of one of them, which one, The Catholics creed, Mormon Creed, Lutheran Creed, Church of Christ creed, AOGs creed, Baptists creed, Muslims creed for a god?

Sense you are of one of these creeds of man which one do you creed to?



Again which one of these creeds of man are you chained to?

You jump to too many assumptions and it's very difficult to post to you.

There is no such concept of a creed being Catholic, Lutheran, AoG, etc.
Creeds are for all CHRISTIANS.
You do not accept any creed, developed by the early church to affirm what Christianity believes, because you are not Christian...
you just think you are.

A Christian must believe that Jesus is God.
A Christian must believe that Jesus died and was resurrected to prove He is God.
A Christian must believe in the Trinity.
A Christian must believe in the hypostatic union.

You're free not to believe in any of the above...
but then you do not reserve the right to define yourself as Christian.

I'll post one creed that ALL Christians adhere to....for the benefit of those reading along that may not be familiar with creeds...a creed just means a belief....

The (Original) Nicene Creed of 325
We believe in one God, the Father almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Son of God,
the only-begoAen, begoAen of the Father before all ages.
Light of Light, true God of true God,
begotten not made, of one essence with the Father
by whom all things were made;
who for us men and for our salvaEon, came down from heaven,
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became man.
And He was crucified for us under PonEus Pilate, and suffered, and was buried.
And the third day He rose again,
according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven,
and sits at the right hand of the Father;
and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead;
whose Kingdom shall have no end.


There are other versions with slight language modifications that do not cause any change but might include more revelation...
I just picked the first one I came across.

But to you renewing your mind come by the laws of a creed, a belief for a god. Man has renewed your minf=-d to think in their terms for a god of flesh.

Van be renewed at all with Gods same knowledge least He comes to you and open in you who He is and all of His heaven in your. Not even Jesus could escape that fact proven in Matt 3:16 when God opened his mind, renewed it from the creedal laws of the Jews that he was rabbi of. You just choose to stay in those creeds of man that God freed Jesus from and freed us all who has received in us the same God as Jesus did. Born again with that same renting of our mind.


Just as all do who God comes to reside in and just as with Jesus is as gentile as a dove.

Absolutely he did not or it would have been useless for God to come and do it again, LOL


Yes and not teach their own ideas for a god, but live it, be that living example for what it is to be of God just as Jesus said if you cannot believe what I say, believe that what I do, and we are to be no different from that same example at all. Show them dont spew a lot of words they will not understand show them by example as Jesus did.


Not Gods church, that is impossible. These creeds of man are not Gods church at all, Gods church are exactly as He is and in His same image, we walk as He walks in it just as Jesus was His church and walks in it.


The only reason it is in writing is for a tutorial for how to receive from God yourself. An instruction manual.


True and one cant teach what Jesus taught at all without the same God be in them who was in Jesus. Jesus didnt teach himself, God taught him and we are no different from the same knowledge from God Himself at all. Cant teach it without it!

By man who cannot receive from God the very same as Jesus did from God instead, amen.

Still inst thought in the majority of these so called churches. Thet have their own creeds for a god they have developed on their own image.


No other way to know Him at all. One on one.

Or catholic or Mormon, or Jews, or Jehovah Witness, or Church of Christ, or Baptists or Muslims, or one of the some 35,000 different known belief systems called denominations.

Yes an instruction manual for how to, sadly most of these dont know how to follow instructions in it for a finished product to be put together in results for perfection to be perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect, and that is totally out of the question for most, and will tell you that is impossible to be perfect as God is perfect. These read the instructions but do not follow them and at the end wind up with a few spare parts that dont fit and dont know what to do with them.


Ys and not from man Burt from God Himself. Just as Jesus received instruction from Giod, Adam received instruction from God, Gen 3:22 he was the very first to follow this instruction from God Himself, Abraham Moses Mary Jesus 120 all eventually followed the instructions for that finished product that is perfect.

What is so ironic is, the only thing on this planet that is perfect and never changes, is the same yesterday as it is today and will be the very same tomorrow. And that is Love it never changes and man is the temple of it for God is love.

SO simply yet so difficult for those who are of the creeds of man for a belief for a god instead of being of Him, Love.


Ye rebellion to receive the mind of God that is Holy Love.


Only because man refuses to obey and receive the Love in themselves that God is. In that the law is fulfilled, if Love truly is your disposition, Loving you neighbor isnt a thing we try and do, it is who we actually are and do. The law fulfilled in us.

Me either. In God all things are possible, except that it is impossible to be in sin if you are born of God and perfect even as your father in heaven is perfect. in that is it impossible to be in sin, cannot sin because we are born of God Himself. 1 John 3:9.