Jesus is God

[marks]

One in purpose

Nice try! Yes, they are one in purpose, however, don't diminish our God! God is one, the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. Each are God, One God.

One in purpose! Is if that were all!

He is not like you.

Much love!

 

[Bladerunner]

It's simple to say...impossible to prove

I disagree.. we have plenty of history, the gospels and commentaries that leave no doubt that Jesus was Fully Man and Fully God.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I disagree.. we have plenty of history, the gospels and commentaries that leave no doubt that Jesus was Fully Man and Fully God.

Note a single verse teaching hypostasis in the Bible.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Nice try! Yes, they are one in purpose, however, don't diminish our God! God is one, the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. Each are God, One God.

One in purpose! Is if that were all!

He is not like you.

Much love!

You don't have the evidence only a fabrication in your own mind.

 

[rebuilder 454]

if a preacher tells us to wash our hair in a bowl of urine, but its not in the bible, we should just do what he says because the Lord is mysterious?
by this logic we dont need a bible, just make it up as we go i guess.

makes no sense what you say.

 

[jaybird]

makes no sense what you say.

why do you think we dont need bibles?

 

[ProDeo]

John 20 30-31

30Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

i always thought the end of John was interesting, they tell us Jesus did all these things, many miracles, but the main focus, according to those taught by Him, was that Jesus was the Christ, Jesus was the Son of the Most High.
no mention of Jesus being G-D, no mention of a trinity.

Jesus about the indwelling Holy Spirit

John 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,
John 14:17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.

Paul confirms Jesus words

1Cor 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,
1Cor 6:20 for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

And the same Paul also said

Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

Do you get the picture ?

 

[jaybird]

Jesus about the indwelling Holy Spirit

John 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,
John 14:17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.

Paul confirms Jesus words

1Cor 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,
1Cor 6:20 for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

And the same Paul also said

Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

Do you get the picture ?

do i get the trinity is not in any of those verses nor do they say one must believe in it to be a follower of Jesus.

"within you" does not define trinity, nor does it command one to follow any doctrines.

 

[Behold]

Im puzzled. If Jesus is God why did he say-
“Why do you call me good?..No one is good except God alone" (Luke 18:19)

He's showing you that He is "good" and they dont understand what their own statement means.

"Only God knows when Judgment Day will be, I don't know myself" (Mark 13:32)

He knows now, when Judgement day will occur.

"I say nothing of my own accord, I only say what my father tells me to say.." (John 12:49)

Jesus also said......."If you've seen me, you've seen the Father"

"I and my Father are ONE".

And where is that found, as Jeuse Pre-incarnate?
Its found here....

= Genesis 1...."Let US....make man in OUR image".

See that "Us and OUR"?

Thats "2">

That is God the Father and the Word who was God"... (John 1). and..... ("Jesus is the Word made flesh who dwelt among us")

"I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28)

The Spirit is always greater then the Flesh.
Remember when Jesus told Peter, that his "spirit is willing but his flesh is weak"?
So, because "God is A Spirit".....The Holy Spirit.....Jesus is teaching that a "man", even the God Man.......is less.
He's not less now., but when He was in the first Body, He was a Human, .. whereas God is the Holy Spirit.
Christ is also the Holy Spirit, ......."Christ is THAT Spirit"....and became a man........The God man.
Jesus is God wrapped in Human Flesh.

Notice this carefully.

"God has raised Jesus, from the Dead".

And Jesus said......"i have power to lay down my life and power to take it up again".


SEE that?
Its the same ONE, however the God man is in a human body.

 

[ProDeo]

do i get the trinity is not in any of those verses nor do they say one must believe in it to be a follower of Jesus.

"within you" does not define trinity, nor does it command one to follow any doctrines.

So you did not understand.

Whose Spirit was inside Paul ?

In 1 Cor Paul says the Holy Spirit.
in Gal Paul says it is Jesus.

Oneness in the Trinity.

 

[marks]

You don't have the evidence only a fabrication in your own mind.

Off to the ad hominems.

I guess that's all then.

Much love!

 

[Behold]

Gen does not say who the "us: and "our" are. you can find other examples in the bible,

When you read in GEN that "CREATION" including "man" is being created.........and you are shown......"US and OUR"........did it, then the verse is self explanitory, as who else but GOD is the "Creator"?........so, when we read that 2 are doing it......"us and our",.. then we see that John 1 says "the WORD was God".....and this is showing us that "Jesus who is the Word.. manifested in the Flesh".......is the "us and our" = is God and The Word....who is Jesus (Pre-incarnate).

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus about the indwelling Holy Spirit

John 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,
John 14:17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.

Paul confirms Jesus words

1Cor 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,
1Cor 6:20 for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

And the same Paul also said

Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

Do you get the picture ?

Many dont seem to my friend .
But then it also seems many dont seem to really BELEIVE THIS at all , EVEN IF THEY CLIAM TOO .
How so you might be thinking .
HOW COME this generation is so huge on calling the words of God , of Christ a lie .
they treat his words in that bible as though
THEY DARN SURE WERE NOT INSPIRED BY GOD at all .
Even the devils beleive and tremble . Even satan knows
but he sure will twist those words in order to decieve , JUST Like his many co workers
which FLOOD THE REALM OF CHRISTENDOM do .
People would not even treat their govenors , wives , husbands and etc THE WAY MOST in even christendom
TREAT GOD as they cast whatever WORDS OF HIS they dont like AWAY . NOT gonna bode well ON THE DAY OF THE LORD
at all for many . SO i suggest we get us a fat and hearty daily reading of that bible every day and do be encouraged .

 

[Hiddenthings]

Off to the ad hominems.

I guess that's all then.

Much love!

Without evidence you are left with creeds of men...sad place to be really

 

[amigo de christo]

So you did not understand.

Whose Spirit was inside Paul ?

In 1 Cor Paul says the Holy Spirit.
in Gal Paul says it is Jesus.

Oneness in the Trinity.

in another place paul writes the Spirit of Christ
then says the Spirit of GOD . why . cause its the SAME SPIRIT of course .
In the beginning WAS THE WORD
and the WORD was WITH GOD
and the WORD was GOD . means what it says my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

So you did not understand.

Whose Spirit was inside Paul ?

In 1 Cor Paul says the Holy Spirit.
in Gal Paul says it is Jesus.

Oneness in the Trinity.

I really wish they would have just left the word GOD HEAD like paul used .

 

[marks]

Without evidence you are left with creeds of men...sad place to be really

Presumption will not help you here either. Honesty would go a long ways. Which would get rid of your condescension in a heartbeat! To the point, though, when someone descends into ad hominems, it betrays the emptiness of their convictions and arguments. It shows the lack of spiritual maturity that would accompany spiritual understanding.

Much love!

 

[Hiddenthings]

Presumption will not help you here either. Honesty would go a long ways. Which would get rid of your condescension in a heartbeat!

Much love!

You're mistaking honesty for condescension. If both of us recognize that even a single element of this doctrine, such as hypostasis, is never discussed in Scripture, let alone all the intricate dogmas built around it, then that’s simply a fact. The real honesty is in your willingness to acknowledge that truth and meet me at that point. Once you arrive there, we can discuss the inspired Word but not before that.

 

[marks]

You're mistaking honesty for condescension.

Not so, but you can take it or leave it.

So sad, I'm just left with the creeds of men . . . where do you get this from?? The appearance to me is that you are just making stuff up to throw out there to score points . . . to self affirm . . . to deflect from real converstation. You barely know me, just a few brief words on the internet, and you toss this out there. Don't you realize, you've said nothing about me . . . what you've shared is about you, your willingness to degrade a conversation to that level. Why? Why is that necessary? Do you know?

Much love!

 

[marks]

If both of us recognize that even a single element of this doctrine,

And if we recognize the core teaching that our Creator God took on flesh, was born the Man we know being Jesus, that is what is needed to progress to truth. After that, parse away on man's attempts to understand this inconceivable miracle.

Much love!