THIS VERSE IS NOT ABOUT THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH

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This article says that Paul was talking about the rapture being the events in Matthew 24. Matthew 24 isnt the rapture. Its the gathering of believing Israel into the kingdom. If Matthew 24 is talking about the rapture, the rapture couldn't be a secret mystery. as Paul says it is.

[1Co 15:22-23 KJV] 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

They that are Christ's will be resurrected at his coming.........they that are Christ's are the believing remnant of Israel who believed on his name by the preaching of Peter and the disciples and are the ones resurrected in Matthew 24.......they arent the believers in the body of Christ............the body of Christ's rapture is not in view here.........the rapture was a mystery kept secret.................[1Co 15:51 KJV] 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,.

Hello @Doug,

I think the link I suggested in reply#11, gives a though investigation into these three references, from 1 Thessalonians , 1 Corinthians & Matthew, and show that they were indeed the same event. They are not mysteries, for they are the subject of the prophets. I quoted two of them in reply#15. Isaiah 25:8 also says, 'Oh death where is thy sting', which intimates that someone is to escape death. The Lord Jesus also said, 'he that liveth and believeth in Me shall never die' (John 11:26). When He returns those that remain alive at His coming will never die.

I don't understand what you are referring to in the second of the entries above, for I made it clear that the hope of the church which is the Body of Christ is to be found in Colossians 3:4.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
our Lord and head.
Chris

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Paul said the rapture was a mystery which means it could not have been revealed in Matthew 24

Do you think that Jesus was stupid and had no clue about the snatching away?

 

[Doug]

• Matthew 24:28 — “For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.”
• Luke 17:37 — “And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.”

Both of those verses refer to a single body, one person. Why are you saying it’s multiple bodies?

This is not restricting the bodies to just one body

 

[Doug]

I think the link I suggested in reply#11, gives a though investigation into these three references, from 1 Thessalonians , 1 Corinthians & Matthew, and show that they were indeed the same event.

similarities do not mean something is the same

 

[Davy]

Re read it.
BEFORE THE FLOOD, HALF ARE TAKEN.

Under your interpretation, half The world's population is wicked and half the world's population is righteous, and they are harvested before the flood??????
Huh? ??????
so that error and others eliminates every single theory except for the pre-tribulation rapture, which is indeed "before the flood", so to speak.

Very few believers catch what is actually said.
Postribs erroneously believe the trib comes before the rapture

Interestingly enough, Jesus used two pre tribulation rapture examples.
When he announced and articulated the rapture, he used Noah and lot figuratively, and he depicted his coming as before either of them went through anything at all.

But via omission, and human intervention, postribs change mat 24 and mat 25 to invent a postrib rapture.

CHANGING THE BIBLE!!!!!

YOU are the one trying... to change what Jesus said... about those who are 'taken'...

Luke 17:36-37
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said unto them, "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."
KJV


Matt 24:28
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV

The FIRST ONES TAKEN will be LIKE a DEAD CARCASE! That's what Jesus said.

 

[IndianaRob]

This is not restricting the bodies to just one body

I’m learning that most people view scripture that way.

YOU are the one trying... to change what Jesus said... about those who are 'taken'...

Luke 17:36-37
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said unto them, "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."
KJV


Matt 24:28
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV

The FIRST ONES TAKEN will be LIKE a DEAD CARCASE! That's what Jesus said.

Eagles in the Bible are believers. The eagles (believers) were gathered together at the dead body of Jesus.

The unbelieving Jews were bore on eagles wings.

Exo 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.

 

[Davy]

I’m learning that most people view scripture that way.

Eagles in the Bible are believers. The eagles (believers) were gathered together at the dead body of Jesus.

The unbelieving Jews were bore on eagles wings.

Exo 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.

You didn't read the Matthew 24:28 version of Jesus' answer?? Shame, shame.

Matt 24:28
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV

And that word in the Greek there for "carcase" does mean exactly that, a dead body.

So the DEAD BODIES ("carcase") is what that FIRST ONE TAKEN is going be among those EAGLES?

The eagle as a symbol was ALSO used for Satan's host in God's Word: Deut.28:49-50; Jeremiah 49:16; Ezek.17:3 about Nebuchadnezzar; Hosea 8:1 about the Assyrian as an eagle; Obadiah 1 about Edom as an eagle; Hab 1 about the Chaldeans.

Job 39:27-30
27 Doth the eagle mount up at thy command, and make her nest on high?
28 She dwelleth and abideth on the rock, upon the crag of the rock, and the strong place.
29 From thence she seeketh the prey, and her eyes behold afar off.
30 Her young ones also suck up blood: and where the slain are, there is she.
KJV

 

[IndianaRob]

You didn't read the Matthew 24:28 version of Jesus' answer?? Shame, shame.

Matt 24:28
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV

And that word in the Greek there for "carcase" does mean exactly that, a dead body.

So the DEAD BODIES ("carcase") is what that FIRST ONE TAKEN is going be among those EAGLES?

The eagle as a symbol was ALSO used for Satan's host in God's Word: Deut.28:49-50; Jeremiah 49:16; Ezek.17:3 about Nebuchadnezzar; Hosea 8:1 about the Assyrian as an eagle; Obadiah 1 about Edom as an eagle; Hab 1 about the Chaldeans.

Job 39:27-30
27 Doth the eagle mount up at thy command, and make her nest on high?
28 She dwelleth and abideth on the rock, upon the crag of the rock, and the strong place.
29 From thence she seeketh the prey, and her eyes behold afar off.
30 Her young ones also suck up blood: and where the slain are, there is she.
KJV

You make no sense.

 

[Davy]

You make no sense.

You actually mean... The Scripture makes NO SENSE TO YOU.

I believe it does make sense to YOU, that you are simply SCARED that what it says might be TRUE!

Oh, and by the way, an eagle usually kills its own... prey. It's a VULTURE that only goes after what is already dead. So a deeper interpretation of what Jesus said is that Satan's host WANT to be like eagles of God, just like Satan wants to be worshiped in place of GOD. Afterall, Apostle Paul did teach in 2 Cor.11 that Satan disguises himself as an angel of light, and his ministers as the ministers of righteousness.

But we still do not have to guess at Christ's meaning, because in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 He already showed that His future coming to gather His saints will be AFTER... the "great tribulation", and not Prior to it like you wrongly believe.

 

[IndianaRob]

You actually mean... The Scripture makes NO SENSE TO YOU.

I believe it does make sense to YOU, that you are simply SCARED that what it says might be TRUE!

Oh, and by the way, an eagle usually kills its own... prey. It's a VULTURE that only goes after what is already dead. So a deeper interpretation of what Jesus said is that Satan's host WANT to be like eagles of God, just like Satan wants to be worshiped in place of GOD. Afterall, Apostle Paul did teach in 2 Cor.11 that Satan disguises himself as an angel of light, and his ministers as the ministers of righteousness.

But we still do not have to guess at Christ's meaning, because in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 He already showed that His future coming to gather His saints will be AFTER... the "great tribulation", and not Prior to it like you wrongly believe.

You said - So the DEAD BODIES ("carcase") is what that FIRST ONE TAKEN is going be among those EAGLES?

Are you saying that first one taken is going to be dead? I have no idea what you’re argument is.

 

[Davy]

You said - So the DEAD BODIES ("carcase") is what that FIRST ONE TAKEN is going be among those EAGLES?

Are you saying that first one taken is going to be dead? I have no idea what you’re argument is.

What did Jesus mean about the blind scribes and Pharisees being LIKE whited sepulchres that appear beautiful outward, but inside are full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness?

What was it those unbelieving scribes and Pharisees lacked that was the reason Lord Jesus said that about them? What is it that happens to the believer by Faith on Jesus Christ per John 3?

 

[IndianaRob]

What did Jesus mean about the blind scribes and Pharisees being LIKE whited sepulchres that appear beautiful outward, but inside are full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness?

What was it those unbelieving scribes and Pharisees lacked that was the reason Lord Jesus said that about them? What is it that happens to the believer by Faith on Jesus Christ per John 3?

Maybe you should run your posts through AI or Grammarly to make coherent sentences before you post it here because your writing skills are atrocious.

 

[Davy]

Maybe you should run your posts through AI or Grammarly to make coherent sentences before you post it here because your writing skills are atrocious.

You actually mean your level of education is so lacking that you struggle with basic English.

There's nothing wrong with the way I write. I've already been through University English a long time ago.

Not my fault you struggle with reading English.

But The Holy Spirit actually suggests to me that you do... understand what I'm saying, and that you are only using your lack of understanding as a ploy to disregard the Truth I have shown you. God sees you doing that, and you know what? If you want His help in understanding in the future after trying to pull a fast one like that, then don't expect Him to shown you anything.

 

[IndianaRob]

You actually mean your level of education is so lacking that you struggle with basic English.

There's nothing wrong with the way I write. I've already been through University English a long time ago.

Not my fault you struggle with reading English.

But The Holy Spirit actually suggests to me that you do... understand what I'm saying, and that you are only using your lack of understanding as a ploy to disregard the Truth I have shown you.

You did much better writing that post!

 

[Davy]

You did much better writing that post!

How would you know?

Do you recognize the following...

Matt 23:27
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
KJV

 

[IndianaRob]

How would you know?

Do you recognize the following...

Matt 23:27
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
KJV

I recognize that you’re treating me just like the Scribes and Pharisees.

 

[Davy]

I recognize that you’re treating me just like the Scribes and Pharisees.

No, I am not. I am trying... to get you to read and understand the simplicity of the 'written' Bible Scripture.

I'll make it simple:

In Matthew 23:27 Jesus is giving an analogy, a metaphor. All languages use analogies or metaphors to represent something using an expression. Like "stubborn as a mule", or "blind as a bat", etc. Those are analogies, one thing unrelated used to represent another thing.

Like Jesus did there in Matthew 23:27 about the spiritually blind scribes and Pharisees.

Jesus compared them to whited tombs that appear nice on the outside, but inside, referring to their minds and hearts, they were like dead men's bones. It means their spirit was 'spiritually' dead inside their flesh. They were without Christ, and thus without The Holy Spirit. But those who are "born again", their spirit inside their flesh is what is born again, by The Holy Spirit.

Thus the meaning of the "carcase" of Matthew 24:28 and Luke 17:37. Someone who is LIKE a dead carcase means they are without Christ, spiritually dead. Even a believer on Jesus that falls away from Jesus, and instead worships something else, can become a spiritually dead person.

 

[rebuilder 454]

This article says that Paul was talking about the rapture being the events in Matthew 24. Matthew 24 isnt the rapture. Its the gathering of believing Israel into the kingdom. If Matthew 24 is talking about the rapture, the rapture couldnt be a secret mystery. as Paul says it is.

Before the flood.
His coming illustrated as ;
BEFORE THE FLOOD.
BEFORE SODOM BURNED.
GOD PEOPLE REMOVED.
NOT AFTER...BEFORE
SORRY...JUST A FACT

 

[rebuilder 454]

Not body, bodies. The bodies of the army that waged war on Christ.......................[Rev 19:19 KJV] 19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Lol
Jesus said normal life, commerce, planning for the future, marriage,everyday life. Is the setting. Your setting is opposite the bible.
He also said before judgement.

So no. That model you are presenting is in no way plausible.
Literally impossible.
One taken, one left is the rapture.

Your model has half the planet righteous, half wicked.
Farfetched and easily ruled out on 4 or 5 points.

 

[rebuilder 454]

YOU are the one trying... to change what Jesus said... about those who are 'taken'...

Luke 17:36-37
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said unto them, "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."
KJV


Matt 24:28
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV

The FIRST ONES TAKEN will be LIKE a DEAD CARCASE! That's what Jesus said.

Re read it. Stop leaving out Jesus words.
Mat 24
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Makes a difference.
Your omissions are reckless.