MUST YOU ENDURE UNTO THE END?

[Doug]

[Matthew 24:13-14 KJV] 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

This is not saying that we, the church today, in this dispensation, must endure til the end to be saved unto eternal life.

Believing Israel had to endure to the end of the tribulation in order to enter the prophetic kingdom on earth, in which, believing Israel will reign with Christ for a thousand years.

 

[marks]

[Matthew 24:13-14 KJV] 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

This is not saying that we, the church today, in this dispensation, must endure til the end to be saved unto eternal life.

Believing Israel had to endure to the end of the tribulation in order to enter the prophetic kingdom on earth, in which, believing Israel will reign with Christ for a thousand years.

That's easy to understand if one keeps everything in context!

Much love!

 

[Doug]

That's easy to understand if one keeps everything in context!

Much love!

Yes in context and determining who is being spoken to

 

[Behold]

[Matthew 24:13-14 KJV] 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

This is not saying that we, the church today, in this dispensation, must endure til the end to be saved unto eternal life.

Believing Israel had to endure to the end of the tribulation in order to enter the prophetic kingdom on earth, in which, believing Israel will reign with Christ for a thousand years.

If we read Matt 24........we read that Jesus was being prophetic.....and said........"he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved"

Now Heretics for hundreds of years have tried to twist this verse into their "here is a verse that proves you have to do something to keep yourself saved".

So, what is wrong with that teaching?

= A LOT.......as its LEGALISM.....but most of all, its the fact that it denies that Holy God keeps us saved, with the Blood of Jesus...= the Sacrifice of Christ, exactly as God Saved us this same way..

A.) God who saved you through the Cross of Christ, keeps you saved the same way........because Salvation is FINISHED by Jesus, and you received it as God's "Gift of Salvation" and "Gift of Eternal Life".
Its not something that we try to complete.
So, if you are trying to complete Jesus's atonement, then stop, because you can't complete what is already completed by Jesus's Sacrifice on The Cross... 2000 yrs ago. All you can do is RECEIVE it by Faith.
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Now, when we read Matt 24:15... (KJV)...we read that Jesus is showing us the TIME of the "enduring to the end".

We read about an "abomination of desolation" as the TIME.........and that time is .......= .the Tribulation.

So, we now have the context of "enduring to the end".......because its connected to the TIME when the "abomination of desolation" is going to happen........and that is......in the Tribulation.
Now, if a person is in the TRIB, and lets say the Tribulation happens next week....(could be)....then if you are in the Tribulation, then you are not currently born agian BEFORE it started, and that is why you are in it.
You dont want to be there, as you'll have to obey the Beast and probably be marty'rd as part of your "enduring to the end" of the Trib.

So, you can miss all that torment and misery simply by being a Christians BEFORE the Tribulation Starts, and its ready to go as we are in the end time and the "signs" are everywhere.

If you are not a Christian now...then "all who call on the name of Jesus, for forgiveness, shall be saved".

Trust in Christ today......Open your heart to Jesus.....and God will forgive all your sins, give you the new birth, and save you from the Tribulation and from Damnation.

 

[Doug]

If we read Matt 24........we read that Jesus was being prophetic.....and said........"he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved"

Now Heretics for hundreds of years have tried to twist this verse into their "here is a verse that proves you have to do something to keep yourself saved".

So, what is wrong with that teaching?

= A LOT.......as its LEGALISM.....but most of all, its the fact that it denies that Holy God keeps us saved, with the Blood of Jesus...= the Sacrifice of Christ, exactly as God Saved us this same way..

A.) God who saved you through the Cross of Christ, keeps you saved the same way........because Salvation is FINISHED by Jesus, and you received it as God's "Gift of Salvation" and "Gift of Eternal Life".
Its not something that we try to complete.
So, if you are trying to complete Jesus's atonement, then stop, because you can't complete what is already completed by Jesus's Sacrifice on The Cross... 2000 yrs ago. All you can do is RECEIVE it by Faith.
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Now, when we read Matt 24:15... (KJV)...we read that Jesus is showing us the TIME of the "enduring to the end".

We read about an "abomination of desolation" as the TIME.........and that time is .......= .the Tribulation.

So, we now have the context of "enduring to the end".......because its connected to the TIME when the "abomination of desolation" is going to happen........and that is......in the Tribulation.
Now, if a person is in the TRIB, and lets say the Tribulation happens next week....(could be)....then if you are in the Tribulation, then you are not currently born agian BEFORE it started, and that is why you are in it.
You dont want to be there, as you'll have to obey the Beast and probably be marty'rd as part of your "enduring to the end" of the Trib.

So, you can miss all that torment and misery simply by being a Christians BEFORE the Tribulation Starts, and its ready to go as we are in the end time and the "signs" are everywhere.

If you are not a Christian now...then "all who call on the name of Jesus, for forgiveness, shall be saved".

Trust in Christ today......Open your heart to Jesus.....and God will forgive all your sins, give you the new birth, and save you from the Tribulation and from Damnation.

Right
We have to look at the context of surrounding verses to understand a passage

 

[Behold]

Right
We have to look at the context of surrounding verses to understand a passage

Paul teaches it like this....

Once we are born again, and have our FAITH RIGHT..........= (Jesus who saved us, keeps us saved).... then God empowers us like this....
= "He/She that is SPIRITUAL, judges all things'""...so, this is Spiritual Discernment, that is turned OFF if the person's faith is wrong.

What is wrong faith? ......... Its this....= "I can lose my Salvation" "i have to keep myself saved".........as that MIND, is carnal, and has taken OFF the "Helmet of Salvation"", and has no faith in Christ.

You are "Fallen from Grace"., yet still a Christian, if you are truly born again, and are not just water baptized and religious.

Whereas....The Helmet of Salvation is to correctly understand that a Christian is forever "made righteous", and is always kept at Peace with God, by The Cross of Christ, that is the New Coventant, and Blood Atonement.

The CHRISTian, has become..."the righteousness of God, in Christ".......as this. :

= "As JESUS IS........so are the born again.......in this World"

So, when you have that mind, and understand who you have become "in Chrsit".. as "made righteous"....and this MIND its always maintained.....then you have "worked out your salvation".......and not until, even if you are saved 50+ yrs.

And now = you are become "He/she that is SPIRITUAL.....judges all Things"""......., and the bible is "Spiritually Discerned".

See that connection? And that connection is broken and remains disconnected.... if your faith is not right.

And now.... having right FAITH....when we study the word, or when an anointed Teacher teaches..... then God enlightens your inner man to receive from the word, its Light......as "revelation knowledge".

 

[Debp]

I believe we endure because we are saved, not to be saved.

When I go through trials, I keep going with the help of the Lord. Day by day with the Lord's help, I persevere. Praise God's holy name.

 

[pandaflower]

[Matthew 24:13-14 KJV] 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

This is not saying that we, the church today, in this dispensation, must endure til the end to be saved unto eternal life.

Believing Israel had to endure to the end of the tribulation in order to enter the prophetic kingdom on earth, in which, believing Israel will reign with Christ for a thcousand years.

I don't think it means salvation is conditional.

It's reassuring us that our faith,being sealed for all time by God, will allow us to meet every challenge unto the end of our lives.

 

[Doug]

I don't think it means salvation is conditional.

It's reassuring us that our faith,being sealed for all time by God, will allow us to meet every challenge unto the end of our lives.

[Mat 24:13 KJV] 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

This verse in context is about the return of the Lord Jesus............................[Mat 24:3 KJV] 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Israel in the tribulation is in view.........................[Mat 24:9 KJV] 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.........................................[Mat 24:21 KJV] 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Its not about us

Israel had to endure til the end of the tribulation

For the nation Israel salvation occurs at the return of Jesus when they are given the kingdom and have their sins blotted out..............................[Act 3:19 KJV] 19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

 

[complete]

[Matthew 24:13-14 KJV] 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

This is not saying that we, the church today, in this dispensation, must endure til the end to be saved unto eternal life.

Believing Israel had to endure to the end of the tribulation in order to enter the prophetic kingdom on earth, in which, believing Israel will reign with Christ for a thousand years.

'But he that shall endure unto the end,
the same shall be saved.
And this gospel of the kingdom
shall be preached in all the world
for a witness unto all nations;
and then shall the end come.'
(Mat 24:13-14)

Hello @Doug,

This was spoken by the Lord Jesus Christ in response to questions asked in Mat, 24:3, by His disciples. i.e., 'Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? Three questions which He answers in reverse order.

* Sorry, I have just realised that I am reiterating what you have already said, but I will let it stand anyway.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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Hello @Doug,

There is an occasion when enduring to the end is necessary, and that is in relation to the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. This is what Paul strove for,

'Know ye not that they which run in a race run all,
but one receiveth the prize?
So run, that ye may obtain.
And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things.
Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
I therefore so run, not as uncertainly;
so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection:
lest that by any means, when I have preached to others,
I myself should be a castaway.'
(1Co 9:24-27)

'Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended:
but this one thing I do,
forgetting those things which are behind,
and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded:
and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded,
God shall reveal even this unto you.'
(Php 3:13-15)

* Our standing before God, in Christ Jesus is sure: what can be lost is the prize or the reward, which is for faithful service.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Davy]

[Matthew 24:13-14 KJV] 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

This is not saying that we, the church today, in this dispensation, must endure til the end to be saved unto eternal life.

Believing Israel had to endure to the end of the tribulation in order to enter the prophetic kingdom on earth, in which, believing Israel will reign with Christ for a thousand years.

That we TODAY must... ENDURE TO THE END is exactly... what Lord Jesus was saying, as He was covering the main SIGNS of the END there leading up to His future return. That's what the Matthew 24 and Mark 13 Chapters are about.

At Matthew 24:23-26 is where He gave us the future SIGN about the coming Antichrist-false-Messiah at the END. The 23rd and 26th verses specifically are... SINGULAR TENSE, about a SINGULAR false-Messiah, the one Paul warned us about in 2 Thessalonians 2, the "man of sin" or "that Wicked". Paul warned us about the great apostasy to that false one at the end of this world, what he also called the "strong delusion".

So for those who DO NOT ENDURE TO THE END, it means they will be DECEIVED by that coming false-Messiah, and worship him in place of Lord Jesus, thinking he is Lord Jesus. And when our Lord Jesus does... return to destroy that false one, those who are found spiritually "with child" from having wrongly bowed to that fake Messiah, Jesus will shut the door upon them for doing iniquity! I am not making this analogy up; it is what is written as a metaphor in Isaiah 54 of which Apostle Paul pointed to in 2 Cor.11 when he said he wants to present us to Christ as "a chaste virgin". The opposite state is a spiritual harlot, the already married woman with children symbolically, by the false Messiah when Jesus does return and finds His deceived servant in shame and spiritually naked for NOT having waited on Him. This is why the Luke 21 version says it will not be well with those who are "with child", for there will be "great wrath" upon this people. That is not simply about women being pregnant during the latter days, but about those who did not wait for Jesus' coming, but instead will be deceived by false-Messiah who comes first.

For those who do not know about that false-Messiah that will comes first, and that he brings world peace and prosperity, fooling many into believing he is Lord Jesus, then your souls are already in grave danger.

 

[Behold]

So for those who DO NOT ENDURE TO THE END, it means they will be DECEIVED by that coming false-Messiah,

The Son of Perdition arrives as the Tribulation begins.
The Christians, won't be there, so, Christians wont be among the "deceived".
If you end up in the Tribulation........then its because you were not actually a born again Christian before it started.
Thats a fact.

 

[Davy]

The Son of Perdition arrives as the Tribulation begins.
The Christians, won't be there, so, Christians wont be among the "deceived".
If you end up in the Tribulation........then its because you were not actually a born again Christian before it started.
Thats a fact.

Yeah... Christ's Church will... still be here on earth to go through the "great tribulation".

I have yet to find anyone on man's false Pre-trib Rapture theory able to counter the timing that Lord Jesus Himself showed for His future coming to gather His saints, as written in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27.

All you Pre-trib folks do is beat around the bush away from those Scriptures Lord Jesus gave, and you try to dream up falsehoods to get out of having to address those Scriptures!


Because I feel that you do believe on Jesus Christ as your Savior, I have to issue you this warning, again... from the evidence of the written Bible Scripture...

In 2 Thessalonians 2, Apostle Paul warned about brethren that become apostates away from Christ, that fall away to the coming "man of sin" who will exalt himself in Jerusalem in place of Christ and thus as GOD. It is very possible those who 'fall away' will be the spiritually dead "carcase" that will be wheresoever the fowls are gathered (to eat on those dead carcases). It is about fleeing to the WRONG Messiah that comes first, which will NOT be our Lord Jesus Christ. The Antichrist comes first.

Thus the Church isn't going anywhere until Lord Jesus returns on the LAST DAY of this world, and that is what HE showed in His Word.

 

[Doug]

I have yet to find anyone on man's false Pre-trib Rapture theory able to counter the timing that Lord Jesus Himself showed for His future coming to gather His saints, as written in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27.

Able to counter what?

 

[Davy]

Able to counter what?

What Jesus showed in those Scriptures I referenced, that His coming to gather His saints will be AFTER the tribulation, not prior to the tribulation. Anyone who reads those actual Scriptures would know that is what it's about.

 

[Doug]

What Jesus showed in those Scriptures I referenced, that His coming to gather His saints will be AFTER the tribulation, not prior to the tribulation. Anyone who reads those actual Scriptures would know that is what it's about.

He will gather the saints at his coming after the tribulation. The saints he gathers are the new testament believing remnant of Israel NOT the saints of the body of Christ.
The body of Christ meets the Lord in the air in the "rapture". It is a secret only revealed to Paul.

 

[Davy]

He will gather the saints at his coming after the tribulation. The saints he gathers are the new testament believing remnant of Israel NOT the saints of the body of Christ.
The body of Christ meets the Lord in the air in the "rapture". It is a secret only revealed to Paul.

Nah... that above is TWISTED, and I really mean TWISTED!

On the "day of the Lord", which is the LAST DAY of this world, Jesus with His angels shall gather ALL His faithful Church on that day, both the saints that had already died He brings with Him from heaven, and then those of His that are still alive on earth. And that will be BOTH Israelite and Gentile together AS ONE BODY.

It is BLASPHEMY against Christ Jesus to try and separate His saints apart from believing Israelite and believing Gentile. Paul taught they both are ONE BODY in Jesus Christ.

 

[pandaflower]

I've met many a Christian who insist suffering is part of being in Christ.

What a shame. They have no peace in Christ.

7 reasons the church will not go through the tribulation - BibleTruths

Jesus Christ will catch the church away at the rapture before the tribulation. We will meet the Lord in the clouds and be with him forever.

bibletruths.org

The Koine Greek of 1 Thessalonians 4:17 uses the verb form ἁρπαγησόμεθα (harpagisometha), which means “we shall be caught up” or “taken away”, with the connotation that this is a sudden event. The dictionary form of this Greek verb is harpazō (ἁρπάζω).[20] This use is also seen in such texts as Acts 8:39,2Corinthians 12:2-4 and Revelation 12:5.
The Latin Vulgate translates the Greek ἁρπαγησόμεθα as rapiemur,[21] from the verb rapio meaning “to catch up” or “take away”.[22]
“Rapture” is derived from Middle French rapture, via the Medieval Latin raptura (“seizure,kidnapping”), which derives from the Latin raptus (“a carrying off”). –Wikipedia

• What is the rapture? harpázō – seized by force, caught up, snatched away – Study of the Greek word harpázō translated as rapiemur in the Latin Vulgate Bible, which has been Anglicized as rapture for almost 2000 years

 

[Doug]

Nah... that above is TWISTED, and I really mean TWISTED!

On the "day of the Lord", which is the LAST DAY of this world, Jesus with His angels shall gather ALL His faithful Church on that day, both the saints that had already died He brings with Him from heaven, and then those of His that are still alive on earth. And that will be BOTH Israelite and Gentile together AS ONE BODY.

It is BLASPHEMY against Christ Jesus to try and separate His saints apart from believing Israelite and believing Gentile. Paul taught they both are ONE BODY in Jesus Christ.

Let me say this again..................
He will gather the saints at his coming after the tribulation. The saints he gathers are the new testament believing remnant of Israel NOT the saints of the body of Christ.
The body of Christ meets the Lord in the air in the "rapture". It is a secret only revealed to Paul.

After the tribulation he gathers the new testament believing remnant of Israel church of God, these saints are made up of believing JEWS and GENTILES (Acts 10:45)

The Body of Christ believers are raised along with the believers who are alive to meet the Lord in the air. The body of Christ church is made up of JEWS and GENTILES

How does this separate believing Jew and Gentile?