DID THE OLD TESTAMENT PROPHETS SPEAK OF THE MYSTERY?

[Doug]

* 'The Mystery of Christ' was the subject of the Old Testament Prophets, yet a mystery to them, for it required the revelation of God to reveal it.

I found your post and I have a few things to discuss

A mystery is something hid in God and not found in scripture prior to being revealed

You are saying the mystery of Christ was revealed to the prophets, but it was only a mystery to them ..........that changes the meaning of a mystery

You are saying God revealed the mystery of Christ to the disciples here in this verse............[Luk 24:45 KJV] 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Show me a scripture of what Christ said to the disciples in Luke 24:45 in regard to the mystery of Christ........there has to be a verse that records Christ expounding the mystery of Christ to them for you to assert this

 

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I found your post and I have a few things to discuss​

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A mystery is something hid in God and not found in scripture prior to being revealed​

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You are saying the mystery of Christ was revealed to the prophets, but it was only a mystery to them ..........that changes the meaning of a mystery​

Hi Doug,

As I said, there are two mysteries referred to in Ephesians 3, 'The Mystery' that Paul was about to reveal to his readers, that had been Divinely revealed to him alone, concerning the church which is the Body of Christ: This mystery, as we see in verses 8 & 9 was 'hid in God' until made known to Paul. Hidden from ages and generations since the world began (Colossians 1:26).

Whereas 'The Mystery of Christ', that Paul refers to in Eph.3:3, Was made known to all the New Testament Apostles and Prophets, and though 'hidden', was none the less written on the pages of Scripture, in the prophetic writings of the Old Testament (see Romans 16:25-26),

'Whereby, when ye read,
ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men,
as it is now revealed unto His holy apostles and prophets
by the Spirit;'
(Eph 3:4-5)

'Now to Him that is of power to stablish you
according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ,
according to the revelation of the mystery,
which was kept secret since the world began,
But now is made manifest,
and by the scriptures of the prophets,
according to the commandment of the everlasting God,
made known to all nations
for the obedience of faith:'
(Rom 16:25-26)

A mystery is a secret waiting to be revealed. In the case of 'The Mystery of Christ', made known to the apostles and prophets of the New Testament: It was, though secret, within plain sight; awaiting the revelation of the Holy Spirit. It was hid from the Prophets of the Old Testament, though they searched diligently to understand what they were being told:-

'Of which salvation the prophets have enquired
and searched diligently,
who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
Searching what, or what manner of time
the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,
when it testified beforehand
the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.'
(1Pe 1:10-11)

Doug said:-​

You are saying God revealed the mystery of Christ to the disciples here in this verse............[Luk 24:45 KJV] 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,​

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Show me a scripture of what Christ said to the disciples in Luke 24:45 in regard to the mystery of Christ........there has to be a verse that records Christ expounding the mystery of Christ to them for you to assert this​

* I did not intend saying that God revealed the mystery of Christ to His disciples in Luke 24:45. It was intended merely as an example of how the disciples needed divine revelation in order to see what was written in plain sight: but looking back at reply#32, the one in question, I realise that it does look as though that is what I intend, I am sorry.

* We are not told when the Mystery of Christ was revealed to the apostles and prophets of the New Testament, including Paul. In Luke 24:45, there is definitely a revelation given to the twelve by the risen Christ though.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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Prior to Christ, the Gentiles joined Israel to be able to enter covenant with God. After Christ came, now both Jew and Gentile are baptized into Christ, making of the two "one new man", without the need of joining Israel.​

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Much love!​

'And some believed the things which were spoken,
and some believed not.
And when they agreed not among themselves,
they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word,
.. "Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
.... Saying, Go unto this people, and say,
...... Hearing ye shall hear,
........ and shall not understand;
.......... and seeing ye shall see,
............ and not perceive:
For the heart of this people is waxed gross,
.. and their ears are dull of hearing,
.... and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes,
...... and hear with their ears,
........ and understand with their heart,
.......... and should be converted,
............ and I should heal them.
Be it known therefore unto you,
that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles,
and that they will hear it.'
(Act 28:24-28)

Hi @marks.

I agree: yet salvation was not 'sent to the Gentiles' independent of Israel, until Acts 28:28, approx. 40 yrs following the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. Up until then gentiles were grafted into Israel's Olive Tree, in order to bring life to an ailing tree. Brought into the Kingdom in order to make Israel Jealous (Rom. 10:9 & 11:11), and bring them to repentance. This was the priority during that period in which the door remained open for the nation itself to come to repentance and receive their Messiah. For in Acts 3:19-21, Peter said to the men of Israel at the feast of Pentecost, 'Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And He shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.' These forty years was a time of probation for the people of Israel.

So it was only with the revelation of The Mystery to Paul, made known in the prison epistles, that it was revealed that Christ would be in (or among) them, their hope of glory, independent now of Israel, (which approx. a year later, in AD70, would be destroyed and scattered among the nations) equal and united in Christ Jesus their risen and glorified, Saviour, Lord and Head:-

'Whereof I am made a minister,
according to the dispensation of God
which is given to me for you,
to fulfil the word of God;
Even the mystery
which hath been hid from ages and from generations,
but now is made manifest to His saints:
To whom God would make known
what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles;
which is Christ in (or among) you, the hope of glory:'
(Col 1:25-27)

* This was the glorious good news for the Gentiles, who had been far off from God, and without hope in the world, that they, by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ, as their Saviour and Lord, could be brought into Christ, and thereby be part of the household of God: Sons of God, with an inheritance and a hope which is far above all heavens in Christ Jesus. God's own inheritance in the heavenlies, as Israel will be in the New Earth. Different spheres and type of blessing: For ours are All Spiritual Blessings, whereas redeemed Israel will be blessed in basket and store.

Praise God!

Forgive me Marks, I got carried away there.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

PS: If you disagree with me Marks, I will understand: for it is before God that we stand, isn't it? We need fear no judgment of man. It is God and His word by which we measure the truth of what is written or said by our fellow men.

 

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'And some believed the things which were spoken,
and some believed not.
And when they agreed not among themselves,
they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word,
.. "Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
.... Saying, Go unto this people, and say,
...... Hearing ye shall hear,
........ and shall not understand;
.......... and seeing ye shall see,
............ and not perceive:
For the heart of this people is waxed gross,
.. and their ears are dull of hearing,
.... and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes,
...... and hear with their ears,
........ and understand with their heart,
.......... and should be converted,
............ and I should heal them.
Be it known therefore unto you,
that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles,
and that they will hear it.'
(Act 28:24-28)

Hello @marks.

The use of the many 'ands' in this quotation from Acts 28: 24-28, quoted itself from Isaiah 6:9-10, attracted my eye: It shows the gravity with which this quotation should be considered. For each 'and' with it's independent statement, is intended by this figure of speech to make us stop and consider each point made, as important in it's own right, they do not lead to an important conclusion, but each one is important in itself.

These words were quoted by the Lord Jesus Christ on two occasions of great crises (Matt. 13:14-15; John 12:40-41, John 11:53), His word was being rejected and His very life endangered by the people He ministered to: And in the quotation above, at another time of crises, in which the Jewish elders of the diaspora were also, again, rejecting the word of God being delivered to them, concerning the Lord Jesus Christ, and were about to depart, not only from Paul, but also into the darkness of unbelief. Resulting in salvation being 'sent unto the Gentiles', which had up until then been, 'of the Jews' only (John 4:22).

This emphasises the importance of not only this event in the history of Israel, but also it's significance in relation to the written word which followed, during the time of Paul's imprisonment, and the epistles written during it, namely Eph. Phil. Col. 2Tim. Titus and Phile..

Thank you for your fellowship
In Christ Jesus
Chris

See:- Matt.13:14; Mark 4:12; Luke 8:10. John 12:40; Acts 28:26-27; Rom. 11:8)

* How wonderful it is, the way that the Holy Spirit uses these figures of speech, to draw our attention to, and emphasise what would otherwise perhaps be overlooked. What a wonderful God and Saviour we have. The Creator of Heaven and Earth, by which all things consist: Is the One Who wishes to communicate His truth to us, concerning His Beloved Son, and the glorious position we occupy in Him, to the praise and glory of His grace!

Praise His Holy Name!

 

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'And He (Christ risen) said unto them, (The Twelve)
These are the words which I spake unto you,
while I was yet with you,
that all things must be fulfilled,
which were written in the law of Moses,
and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning Me.
Then opened He their understanding,
that they might understand the scriptures,
And said unto them, Thus it is written,
and thus it behoved Christ to suffer,
and to rise from the dead the third day:
And that repentance and remission of sins
should be preached in His name
among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
And ye are witnesses of these things.'
(Luke 24:44-48)

Hello @Doug,

This may be the moment when the truth concerning, 'The Mystery of Christ', was revealed by revelation to the Twelve apostles of Christ,
(I do not know). Paul himself would have received this knowledge by revelation from the risen Christ when He appeared unto Him following His conversion:-

'But rise, and stand upon thy feet:
for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose,
to make thee a minister and a witness
both of these things which thou hast seen,
and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
.. Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles,
.... unto whom now I send thee,
...... To open their eyes,
........ and to turn them from darkness to light,
.......... and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins,
............ and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in Me.
Whereupon, O king Agrippa,
.. I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
.... But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem,
...... and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles,
........ that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
.......... For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.
............ Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day,
.............. witnessing both to small and great,
saying none other things
than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
That Christ should suffer, and that He should be the first that should rise from the dead,
and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles. '
(Act 26:16-23)

* Please consider. For there is nothing here about 'The Mystery' concerning the Church which is the Body of Christ, for that was not the subject of either the writings of Moses or the Prophets of the Old Testament, because 'hid in God' since the world began, until revealed to Paul himself by the risen Christ, and made known in the epistles written from prison at Rome. (Eph. Phil. Col. 2Tim. Titus and Phile.)

It is 'The Mystery of Christ', which was the subject of The Old Testament Prophets, and revealed to the Twelve and Paul by divine revelation, which can be seen in the words of the risen Christ to Paul in Acts 26. 'The Mystery' concerning the church which is the Body of Christ, not having yet been revealed.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Doug]

Not as much a secret as you think...

Isa 49:22
22 Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up Mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up My standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders.
KJV

Isa 54:3
3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
KJV

Isa 66:19-20
19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard My fame, neither have seen My glory; and they shall declare My glory among the Gentiles.
20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to My holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD
KJV

Let me say it again for you.........................That God would save Gentiles was in the old testament, it was not a secret. What was a secret was the Gentiles would be members in the body of Christ along with the Jews.

Did I not say where the OT talks about saving the Gentiles was NOT A SECRET?

 

[Doug]

Hi Doug,

As I said, there are two mysteries referred to in Ephesians 3, 'The Mystery' that Paul was about to reveal to his readers, that had been Divinely revealed to him alone, concerning the church which is the Body of Christ: This mystery, as we see in verses 8 & 9 was 'hid in God' until made known to Paul. Hidden from ages and generations since the world began (Colossians 1:26).

Whereas 'The Mystery of Christ', that Paul refers to in Eph.3:3, Was made known to all the New Testament Apostles and Prophets, and though 'hidden', was none the less written on the pages of Scripture, in the prophetic writings of the Old Testament (see Romans 16:25-26),

'Whereby, when ye read,
ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men,
as it is now revealed unto His holy apostles and prophets
by the Spirit;'
(Eph 3:4-5)

'Now to Him that is of power to stablish you
according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ,
according to the revelation of the mystery,
which was kept secret since the world began,
But now is made manifest,
and by the scriptures of the prophets,
according to the commandment of the everlasting God,
made known to all nations
for the obedience of faith:'
(Rom 16:25-26)

A mystery is a secret waiting to be revealed. In the case of 'The Mystery of Christ', made known to the apostles and prophets of the New Testament: It was, though secret, within plain sight; awaiting the revelation of the Holy Spirit. It was hid from the Prophets of the Old Testament, though they searched diligently to understand what they were being told:-

'Of which salvation the prophets have enquired
and searched diligently,
who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
Searching what, or what manner of time
the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,
when it testified beforehand
the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.'
(1Pe 1:10-11)



* I did not intend saying that God revealed the mystery of Christ to His disciples in Luke 24:45. It was intended merely as an example of how the disciples needed divine revelation in order to see what was written in plain sight: but looking back at reply#32, the one in question, I realise that it does look as though that is what I intend, I am sorry.

* We are not told when the Mystery of Christ was revealed to the apostles and prophets of the New Testament, including Paul. In Luke 24:45, there is definitely a revelation given to the twelve by the risen Christ though.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Whereas 'The Mystery of Christ', that Paul refers to in Eph.3:3, Was made known to all the New Testament Apostles and Prophets, and though 'hidden', was none the less written on the pages of Scripture, in the prophetic writings of the Old Testament (see Romans 16:25-26),

For you to assert that the mystery of Christ is in the old testament, then you should be able to show it to me. Show me a scripture that expresses the mystery of Christ from the old testament please.

* We are not told when the Mystery of Christ was revealed to the apostles and prophets of the New Testament, including Paul.

We are told in scripture that Paul communicated the mystery of Christ, but there is no passage that expressly states it. I think it is found throughout his epistles when it reveals something not known about Christ elsewhere.
For example;
[Eph 1:9-10 KJV] 9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:
Here we learn all things will be gathered in Christ.

[Eph 5:32 KJV] 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Here we learn that we are one with Christ

[Col 1:27 KJV] 27 To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Here we learn that Christ is in us, the hope of glory.

My point is you, as you say, you cant say when the mystery of Christ was revealed, but you should be able to provide an old testament scripture; if not, then how can you assert it was found in the old testament.

 

[Davy]

Actually we say there is more than two gospels
Here is my post from this forum

MORE THAN ONE BIBLE GOSPEL​

Not interested, God's Word already shows me there is only ONE Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Some backwoods uneducated preacher took the KJV translation of what Apostle Paul said in Galatians 2:7-8, and with Paul saying things like "my gospel" per that same KJV translation, those Biblically illiterate backwoods preachers took it to mean there's more than one Gospel of Jesus Christ when there is not.

And boy, are they really ignorant and SHOW WEAK MEMORIES of what Lord Jesus Christ said about Apostle Paul to Ananias in Acts 9!

Acts 9:15
15 But the Lord said unto him, "Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:"
KJV

Apostle Paul preached The Gospel of Jesus Christ to the "children of Israel" also?!? YES! Paul did!

But I thought the 'Gospel of circumcision' was only assigned to Apostle Peter to the Jews, and the 'Gospel of uncircumcision' to the Gentiles was only assigned to Apostle Paul?

Even in Acts 10 & 11, it is revealed with Peter having preached The Gospel to Gentiles, and they believed, and The Holy Spirit fell upon those Gentiles as He did at Pentecost, and it was determined those Gentiles should be baptized then.

 

[Davy]

First of all there were prophets and apostles in Paul's day as well

Oh, I know what you are trying... to insert in The Scriptures with that above statement. It's a vain attempt to ELIMINATE Paul having pointed to the OLD TESTAMENT PROPHETS in that Ephesians 2 Scripture about the foundation of Christ's Church. Your false idea is trying to support the FALSE doctrine of Hyper-Dispensationalist that you support, with ISOLATING Paul's Epistles from the REST of The Bible.

You're funny, and especially is the false doctrine of man you follow, because MUCH of what Apostle Paul preached was His quoting from The Old Testament Books! And a lot of it is directly from those Old Testament prophets! So you ought... to get yourself a Bible that shows when Paul is quoting from The Old Testament while preaching in The New.

 

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For you to assert that the mystery of Christ is in the old testament, then you should be able to show it to me. Show me a scripture that expresses the mystery of Christ from the old testament please.

We are told in scripture that Paul communicated the mystery of Christ, but there is no passage that expressly states it. I think it is found throughout his epistles when it reveals something not known about Christ elsewhere.
For example;
[Eph 1:9-10 KJV] 9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:
Here we learn all things will be gathered in Christ.

[Eph 5:32 KJV] 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Here we learn that we are one with Christ

[Col 1:27 KJV] 27 To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Here we learn that Christ is in us, the hope of glory.

My point is you, as you say, you cant say when the mystery of Christ was revealed, but you should be able to provide an old testament scripture; if not, then how can you assert it was found in the old testament.

'Search the scriptures;
for in them ye think ye have eternal life:
and they are they which testify of Me.'
(Joh 5:39)

Hello @Doug,

'The Mystery of Christ', refers to all that can be found concerning Christ in type and shadow in the Old Testament, for it was to these types and shadows and also direct references to the Messiah in the Old Testament Scriptures that Paul referred to, when in consultation with the Jews who came to enquire of him, for it is to the Old Testament Scriptures that He turned. Therefore it is found in all his earlier works, (i.e., 1&2 Thess, Gal, 1&2 Cor. Heb. & Rom). See Rom. 1:2; 15:4; 16:26; 1Cor. 3:3-4; 2Tim 3:15. Paul himself says in Acts 26: 22 & 23, while the Lord's Prisoner:-

'Having therefore obtained help of God,
I continue unto this day,
witnessing both to small and great,
saying none other things
than those which the prophets and Moses
did say should come:
That Christ should suffer,
and that He should be the first that should rise from the dead,
and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.'
(Act 26:22-23)

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Only in the epistles written from prison do you have revealed 'The Mystery' concerning the Church which is The Body of Christ made known, (i.e., Eph. Phil. Col. 2 Tim. Titus and Phil.). These are the unsearchable riches of Christ, for they have no point of reference elsewhere, other than in those epistles. (Eph. 3:8-11). For it was 'hid in God' until the moment of it's revelation to Paul.

'Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given,
that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery,
which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God,
who created all things by Jesus Christ:
To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places
might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
According to the eternal purpose which He purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
(Eph 3:8-11)

* You quoted from Eph. 1:9-10; 5:32; Col. 1:27, and these are part of the unsearchable riches of Christ that were revealed to Paul, and made known in those prison epistles of Paul.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[shepherdsword]

[Luke 1:70 KJV] 70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

[Romans 16:25 KJV] 25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

The prophets spoke since the world began, but could not have spoken of the mystery because it was kept secret since the world began. The mystery could not have been spoken of, and at the same time be kept secret.

Christ Jesus only revealed the secret mystery to Paul.

The mystery of the church is all over the book of Isaiah .

Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Isa 42:6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

Isa 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Isa 60:3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

 

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The mystery of the church is all over the book of Isaiah .

Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Isa 42:6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

Isa 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Isa 60:3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

Hello @shepherdsword,

* 'The Mystery of Christ' is the subject of the Old Testament Scriptures. and quoted frequently by those to whom it was revealed in the New Testament Scriptures, i.e., the New Testament apostles and prophets.

* It is 'The Mystery' concerning the Church which is the Body of Christ, which was not the subject of any other scriptures other than those written by Paul, following his reception of the revelation of God concerning it. namely Eph. Phil. Col. 2 Tim, Titus and Phile.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Doug]

Not interested, God's Word already shows me there is only ONE Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Sorry but God's word is cited in the post I gave you and that there is more than one gospel can be read from it

 

[Doug]

Some backwoods uneducated preacher took the KJV translation of what Apostle Paul said in Galatians 2:7-8, and with Paul saying things like "my gospel" per that same KJV translation, those Biblically illiterate backwoods preachers took it to mean there's more than one Gospel of Jesus Christ when there is not.

Here are the gospels preached by Jesus and Peter and Paul

Jesus preached............[Mat 4:23 KJV] 23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Jesus preached what gospel, his death and resurrection? he preached the gospel of the kingdom

[Mat 10:5-7 KJV] 5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Jesus sent the twelve apostles to preach, what, his death and resurrection? they preached the gospel of the kingdom

[1Co 15:1, 3-4 KJV] 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; ... 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Paul preached his death and resurrection

How can it be said they all preached the same gospel unless people refuse to see it and accept it.

 

[Doug]

Acts 9:15
15 But the Lord said unto him, "Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:"
KJV

Apostle Paul preached The Gospel of Jesus Christ to the "children of Israel" also?!? YES! Paul did!

But I thought the 'Gospel of circumcision' was only assigned to Apostle Peter to the Jews, and the 'Gospel of uncircumcision' to the Gentiles was only assigned to Apostle Paul?

Even in Acts 10 & 11, it is revealed with Peter having preached The Gospel to Gentiles, and they believed, and The Holy Spirit fell upon those Gentiles as He did at Pentecost, and it was determined those Gentiles should be baptized then.

I am not sure what you are saying here please clarify

 

[Doug]

Oh, I know what you are trying... to insert in The Scriptures with that above statement. It's a vain attempt to ELIMINATE Paul having pointed to the OLD TESTAMENT PROPHETS in that Ephesians 2 Scripture about the foundation of Christ's Church. Your false idea is trying to support the FALSE doctrine of Hyper-Dispensationalist that you support, with ISOLATING Paul's Epistles from the REST of The Bible.

You said that the Gentiles were built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets proved that the body of Christ was revealed before Paul.

There were apostles and prophets when Paul ministered and found in scripture. I was merely pointing that out because there is debate about if it is these apostles and prophets in the verse or if they are Peter and the disciples.

If they were Peter and the disciples it doesnt matter because that doesnt reveal the body of Christ.

 

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[Luke 1:70 KJV] 70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

[Romans 16:25 KJV] 25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

The prophets spoke since the world began, but could not have spoken of the mystery because it was kept secret since the world began. The mystery could not have been spoken of, and at the same time be kept secret.

Christ Jesus only revealed the secret mystery to Paul.

'And hath raised up an horn of salvation ( The Lord Jesus Christ) for us (Israel)
in the house of His servant David;
As He spake by the mouth of His holy prophets, (The subject of the prophets)
which have been since the world began:
(Luk. 1:69-70)

Hello @Doug,

'The Mystery of Christ', was the subject of the early epistles of Paul: for it had been revealed both to Paul and the other Apostles and Prophets of the New Testament. The Lord Jesus Christ is the subject of the Old Testament writings, by both direct prophecy, and in type and shadow, it simply required the revelation of God to make it known. The Old Testament Prophets themselves were blind to it's meaning, though they tried diligently to understand it. (1 Peter 1:10)

'The Mystery' concerning the Church which is the Body of Christ was not made known in the epistle written to the Romans, for it had not yet been revealed to Paul. What is referred to in Romans 16:25-27 is The Mystery of Christ, which was the subject of the gospel records and the early epistles of Paul.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Davy]

Sorry but God's word is cited in the post I gave you and that there is more than one gospel can be read from it

NOPE, what you are citing is from men, and not from God.

There is only ONE GOSPEL of Jesus Christ, not 2, not 3, or more.

And you might ought to look up that Greek word for "dispensation" that Apostle Paul used. Per the Greek it means an ADMINISTRATION of The One Gospel, not another Gospel.

 

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Subject Heading:- 'Did The Old Testament Prophets Speak of The Mystery?

'Of which salvation the prophets have enquired
and searched diligently,
who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
Searching what, or what manner of time
the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,
when it testified beforehand
the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
Unto whom it was revealed,
that not unto themselves, but unto us
they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you
by them that have preached the gospel unto you
with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven;
which things the angels desire to look into.'
(1Pet. 1:10)

Hello @Doug,

The answer to that question is 'No', for the Old Testament Prophets themselves did not know that what they were revealing from God in their writings was 'The Mystery of Christ', so they did not themselves 'speak' of it. Yet Christ was revealed through them, sometimes in direct prophetic utterances, or by type and shadow and this was indeed 'The Mystery of Christ'. It was to the Old Testament Prophets that the New Testament Apostles referred constantly, including Paul for the word of God they made known revealed Christ.

You need to differentiate between the two mysteries spoken of in Ephesians chapter three.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Doug]

'Search the scriptures;
for in them ye think ye have eternal life:
and they are they which testify of Me.'
(Joh 5:39)

Hello @Doug,

'The Mystery of Christ', refers to all that can be found concerning Christ in type and shadow in the Old Testament, for it was to these types and shadows and also direct references to the Messiah in the Old Testament Scriptures that Paul referred to, when in consultation with the Jews who came to enquire of him, for it is to the Old Testament Scriptures that He turned. Therefore it is found in all his earlier works, (i.e., 1&2 Thess, Gal, 1&2 Cor. Heb. & Rom). See Rom. 1:2; 15:4; 16:26; 1Cor. 3:3-4; 2Tim 3:15. Paul himself says in Acts 26: 22 & 23, while the Lord's Prisoner:-

'Having therefore obtained help of God,
I continue unto this day,
witnessing both to small and great,
saying none other things
than those which the prophets and Moses
did say should come:
That Christ should suffer,
and that He should be the first that should rise from the dead,
and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.'
(Act 26:22-23)

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Only in the epistles written from prison do you have revealed 'The Mystery' concerning the Church which is The Body of Christ made known, (i.e., Eph. Phil. Col. 2 Tim. Titus and Phil.). These are the unsearchable riches of Christ, for they have no point of reference elsewhere, other than in those epistles. (Eph. 3:8-11). For it was 'hid in God' until the moment of it's revelation to Paul.

'Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given,
that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery,
which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God,
who created all things by Jesus Christ:
To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places
might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
According to the eternal purpose which He purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
(Eph 3:8-11)

* You quoted from Eph. 1:9-10; 5:32; Col. 1:27, and these are part of the unsearchable riches of Christ that were revealed to Paul, and made known in those prison epistles of Paul.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Let me say again........................For you to assert that the mystery of Christ is in the old testament, then you should be able to show it to me. Show me a scripture that expresses the mystery of Christ from the old testament please.

Saying the mystery of Christ is type and shadow does not prove they are speaking of the mystery of Christ......please give me some verses........for example show me in the old testament prophets where they speak about the body of Christ being a new creature.......show me where the prophets say how God forgives sin..........show me where they said Jesus would shed his blood for all not just Israel.........show me where they say believers will be caught up in the air to be with Christ forever