Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Eternally Grateful]

Because Jesus says to do it.

No.

He told them not to work for food which perishes. but food which endures to eternal life.

He said you can eat it and not die.

Why would he tell you to keep eating something that you can eat and not die. this is nonsensical

You can rant in but it's meaningless. His flesh is the bread of life. You don't eat his flesh you ignore Jesus. You aren't funny you're sad.

The flesh of the last supper is not the flesh of John 6. Jesus never promised anyone who ate the lords supper they would never die. live forever. have eternal life. be raised on the last day etc etc.

He also said to do it in remembrance of him, not to do it to get these things.

Your the one ranting my friend. You deny Gods promises and make a mockery of what he said in John 6

Notice also I have asked you multiple times now why you do not believe what he said in read and you have refused to even look at the words..

And I should just drop everything and listen to you??

 

[nedsk]

No.

He told them not to work for food which perishes. but food which endures to eternal life.

He said you can eat it and not die.

Why would he tell you to keep eating something that you can eat and not die. this is nonsensical

The flesh of the last supper is not the flesh of John 6. Jesus never promised anyone who ate the lords supper they would never die. live forever. have eternal life. be raised on the last day etc etc.

He also said to do it in remembrance of him, not to do it to get these things.

Your the one ranting my friend. You deny Gods promises and make a mockery of what he said in John 6

Notice also I have asked you multiple times now why you do not believe what he said in read and you have refused to even look at the words..

And I should just drop everything and listen to you??

No I'm the last person you should listen to. I listen to Jesus however who said unless you eat the flesh man of the son of man you have life within you.and then 3 more times says est his flesh and drink his blood and then refers to his own flesh and blood as real food and real drink. Unlike you that's not my opinion it's his words. So based on that you can keep ranting it's meaningless to me.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No I'm the last person you should listen to. I listen to Jesus however who said unless you eat the flesh man of the son of man you have life within you.

I agree.

I ate the bread from heaven over 50 years ago. and his life sustaining flesh still has me sustained. I still have everythign he promised.

and then 3 more times says est his flesh and drink his blood and then refers to his own flesh and blood as real food and real drink. Unlike you that's not my opinion it's his words. So based on that you can keep ranting it's meaningless to me.

your the one eating it what weekly? Yet have absolutely no assurance you will get everything he promised Not me

You want to eat something that has no power to do what Jesus promised. Eat away. Don't let me stop you.

But you can not take away from us what we all have experienced. and experience on a daily bases

 

[nedsk]

I agree.

I ate the bread from heaven over 50 years ago. and his life sustaining flesh still has me sustained. I still have everythign he promised.



your the one eating it what weekly? Yet have absolutely no assurance you will get everything he promised Not me

You want to eat something that has no power to do what Jesus promised. Eat away. Don't let me stop you.

But you can not take away from us what we all have experienced. and experience on a daily bases

Jesus never says just once. In fact he says 1 Corinthians 11:23-26.

Verse 26 is especially interesting, "And so whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup you proclaim the death of the Lord until he comes." Stop with your foolishness

 

[GodsGrace]

Really?

The Jews could have eaten crackers at the first passover right? The cracker is a.symbol of the unblemished lamb right?

Thats asinine.

1 Corinthians 11:27-29. The persons that eats and drinks without discerning the body (flesh and blood) of the Lord is eating and drinking judgement on himself. We don't get to decide that a "symbol" of his body and blood is okey dokey especially since it contradicts what Jesus literally said and is restated by Paul

It's not just doctrine gg it's what God said just like the first passover. Stop this foolishness

Here's
1 Corinthians 11:27-29

New International Version
For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.

New Living Translation
For if you eat the bread or drink the cup without honoring the body of Christ, you are eating and drinking God’s judgment upon yourself.

English Standard Version
For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself.

Berean Standard Bible
For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body eats and drinks judgment on himself.

Berean Literal Bible
For the one eating and drinking not discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself.

King James Bible
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

New King James Version
For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.

New American Standard Bible
For the one who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not properly recognize the body.

NASB 1995
For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly.
We don't get to decide that a "symbol" of his body and blood is okey dokey especially since it contradicts what Jesus literally said and is restated by Paul

It's not just doctrine gg it's what God said just like the first passover. Stop this foolishness


I happen to agree...after many years of going back and forth, it does seem logical to me.
Mostly based on the fact that Jesus did NOT call back those walking away because it was a difficult saying,,,
but let them go instead and doubled down on His statement.

But, as you see, even 1 Corinthians can be translated to mean something totally different.
For instance, receiving unworthily.
Some came to the communion table drunk, overeating and disorderly, as if they were having a normal meal.
This was disrespect of Jesus death.
Verse 27

We are not to receive communion when in serious sin.
Verse 28

Verse 29 Discerning the body, or the Lord's body. The Cup of Blessing.
The 3rd ritual cup of wine served at Passover.
This is the cup Jesus consecrated at the Last Supper representing the New Covenant.

The Eucharist unites the body of God with all believers.

1 Corinthians 12:12
12 The human body has many parts, but the many parts make up one whole body. So it is with the body of Christ.

We are united together by the Body of Jesus INTO the Body of believers.

I believe that only the Holy Spirit can convince someone as to the Eucharist...
Some believe it's the body and blood of Christ.
Some believe in the Real Presence.
Some believe it is only a symbol of something that took place.

A persons salvation does not depend on what he believes about communion.

 

[Marymog]

Well Jesus disagrees with you -

1. John 10:16
   And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
2. John 10:27
   My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Jesus' sheep hear His voice and follow HIm and have eternal life.

If they left following the Shepherd, the bible also tells us why:

1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

See teh "apparent sheep who leave were not real sheep as the bible says.

Ronald,

You should read all of 1John 2 instead of cherry-picking verses from different books of John and shove them all together to fit what you believe. If you read 1 John 2:19 IN CONTEXT the reason those sheep left the flock was because of false teachers in their midst. They left to follow the false teachers. They left because they did not “let what (they) heard from the beginning abide in (them)” (VS27) and “if what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you will abide in the Son and in the Father” (1 John 2:24). The Word stopped abiding in them, so they left. It doesn't mean they weren't, as you say, "real sheep". It just means they were deceived by false teachers and left. If they eventually figure out that they were deceived by false teachers and ask to come back into the flock (The Church), they will be met with open arms and they will once again be "real sheep". The Church has a process for kicking someone out of and allowing them back into The Church, which is spoken of in Matthew 18! But you already knew that......

The truth is that you ripped those verses out of their context and created a new doctrine out of whole cloth! Anything you added, if it does not conform to what is revealed in Scripture, is to be rejected and renounced at all costs! Maybe all of this is above your learning since you have horribly ripped many verses out of their context to try to defend your unbiblical position.

Scripture says that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth. What Church did you get your teaching from Ronald?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

I have always said, we are saved by faith without works (in order to get saved) but true saving faith produces works. Just like a car can't help being a car, so a christian can't help but doing the works God prepared before time for HIm to do!

those works do not save, do not keep us saved, nor maintain our salvation they are a result and a testimony to the fact that jesus alone saved us and now we are new creatures with a new heart, mind and a born again spirit.

If you taught yourself that.........You are lying to yourself

If another man taught you that......Run from them

 

[nedsk]

Here's
1 Corinthians 11:27-29

New International Version
For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.

New Living Translation
For if you eat the bread or drink the cup without honoring the body of Christ, you are eating and drinking God’s judgment upon yourself.

English Standard Version
For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself.

Berean Standard Bible
For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body eats and drinks judgment on himself.

Berean Literal Bible
For the one eating and drinking not discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself.

King James Bible
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

New King James Version
For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.

New American Standard Bible
For the one who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not properly recognize the body.

NASB 1995
For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly.
We don't get to decide that a "symbol" of his body and blood is okey dokey especially since it contradicts what Jesus literally said and is restated by Paul

It's not just doctrine gg it's what God said just like the first passover. Stop this foolishness


I happen to agree...after many years of going back and forth, it does seem logical to me.
Mostly based on the fact that Jesus did NOT call back those walking away because it was a difficult saying,,,
but let them go instead and doubled down on His statement.

But, as you see, even 1 Corinthians can be translated to mean something totally different.
For instance, receiving unworthily.
Some came to the communion table drunk, overeating and disorderly, as if they were having a normal meal.
This was disrespect of Jesus death.
Verse 27

We are not to receive communion when in serious sin.
Verse 28

Verse 29 Discerning the body, or the Lord's body. The Cup of Blessing.
The 3rd ritual cup of wine served at Passover.
This is the cup Jesus consecrated at the Last Supper representing the New Covenant.

The Eucharist unites the body of God with all believers.

1 Corinthians 12:12
12 The human body has many parts, but the many parts make up one whole body. So it is with the body of Christ.

We are united together by the Body of Jesus INTO the Body of believers.

I believe that only the Holy Spirit can convince someone as to the Eucharist...
Some believe it's the body and blood of Christ.
Some believe in the Real Presence.
Some believe it is only a symbol of something that took place.

A persons salvation does not depend on what he believes about communion.

Then Jesus was lying. Excellent

 

[GodsGrace]

Then Jesus was lying. Excellent

Jesus was making statements.
They are not 100% clear if we want to be honest.

THIS IS MY BODY.....
He was holding bread.

He said to eat it in memory of Him.

We have to go to John 6 to begin to get the idea that maybe Jesus meant it literally.

We have to admit that it's very clear that OSAS is not found in the NT.
We have to admit that reformed teachings are not found in the NT.
We have to admit that baptism for the forgiveness of sin is found in the NT.

We cannot admit that Jesus very literally said to eat His flesh....
Now...I believe He did....but a case could be made for the other side.

I would also like to point out that the ECFs did believe that Jesus meant his actual body and blood.

 

[mailmandan]

No.

He told them not to work for food which perishes. but food which endures to eternal life.

He said you can eat it and not die.

Why would he tell you to keep eating something that you can eat and not die. this is nonsensical

The flesh of the last supper is not the flesh of John 6. Jesus never promised anyone who ate the lords supper they would never die. live forever. have eternal life. be raised on the last day etc etc.

He also said to do it in remembrance of him, not to do it to get these things.

Your the one ranting my friend. You deny Gods promises and make a mockery of what he said in John 6

Notice also I have asked you multiple times now why you do not believe what he said in read and you have refused to even look at the words..

And I should just drop everything and listen to you??

In John chapter 6, eating His flesh and drinking His blood is not describing cannibalism but the reception of God’s grace by believing in Jesus Christ unto salvation, as Jesus makes it abundantly clear by repeating the same truths in both metaphoric and plain language. Compare for example the following two verses:

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.” (John 6:47)
“He who eats this bread will live forever.” (John 6:58)

“He who believes” in Christ is equivalent to “he who eats this bread” because the end result is the same--eternal life.
The parallel is the same in verses 40 and 54:

“Everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.” (John 6:40)
“Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.” (John 6:54)

John 6 does not support the false doctrine of transubstantiation. On the contrary, it is a statement on the primacy of believing in Him as the means by which we receive eternal life. Jesus is the Bread of Life; we eat of Him and are satisfied when we believe in Him unto salvation.

John 6:35 - "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst." As Jesus was accustomed, He used figurative language to emphasize these spiritual truths. Jesus explains the sense of the entire passage when He says, "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life." (John 6:63)

Bread represents the "staff of life." Sustenance. That which essential to sustain life. Just as bread or sustenance is necessary to maintain physical life, Jesus is all the sustenance necessary for spiritual life.

The source of physical life is blood -- "life is in the blood." As with the bread, just as blood is the empowering or source of life physically, Jesus is all the source of spiritual life necessary.

 

[nedsk]

Jesus was making statements.
They are not 100% clear if we want to be honest.

THIS IS MY BODY.....
He was holding bread.

He said to eat it in memory of Him.

We have to go to John 6 to begin to get the idea that maybe Jesus meant it literally.

We have to admit that it's very clear that OSAS is not found in the NT.
We have to admit that reformed teachings are not found in the NT.
We have to admit that baptism for the forgiveness of sin is found in the NT.

We cannot admit that Jesus very literally said to eat His flesh....
Now...I believe He did....but a case could be made for the other side.

I would also like to point out that the ECFs did believe that Jesus meant his actual body and blood.

Goodness gracious.

There is no case for the other side. Jesus CLEARLY says he is the bread of life. (symbolic as he is NOT bread) Then he says the bread that i will give is my flesh... NOT symbolic as Jesus does have flesh. Thats followed up by Jesus saying 3 TIMES eat mt flesh and drink my blood and then says his flesh is real food and his blood is real drink. A person has to COMPLETELY ignore what Jesus says to claim he was talkng symbolically.

Ill ask you a question ive asked the deniers, just to get your take, IF IF Jesus did mean for us to literally eat his flesh and drink his blood what words would he have used? What I usually get from deniers is something ridiculous like, He would never tell us to eat his flesh and drink his blood. Ridiculous and intellectually lazy.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Goodness gracious.

There is no case for the other side. Jesus CLEARLY says he is the bread of life. (symbolic as he is NOT bread) Then he says the bread that i will give is my flesh... NOT symbolic as Jesus does have flesh. Thats followed up by Jesus saying 3 TIMES eat mt flesh and drink my blood and then says his flesh is real food and his blood is real drink. A person has to COMPLETELY ignore what Jesus says to claim he was talkng symbolically.

Ill ask you a question ive asked the deniers, just to get your take, IF IF Jesus did mean for us to literally eat his flesh and drink his blood what words would he have used? What I usually get from deniers is something ridiculous like, He would never tell us to eat his flesh and drink his blood. Ridiculous and intellectually lazy.

How stubborn you can be! Jesus said plainly, “The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life” (John 6:63). If His words are spirit, then anyone who makes them fleshly proves they do not hear Him. He often spoke in figures and parables, so that only those who had faith would understand. He said, “I am the door” (John 10:9), yet no one believes He is wood and hinges. He said, “I am the vine, you are the branches” (John 15:5), yet no one believes His body is a plant. He said, “I am the light of the world” (John 8:12), but no one thinks He burns like fire in a lamp. In the same way, when He said, “I am the bread of life” (John 6:35), He was showing that all who believe and come to Him will live.

To take His words in the fleshly sense is the same blindness the Pharisees had when they argued with Him. When He said, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up” (John 2:19), they thought of stones and buildings, but He was speaking of His body. When He warned, “Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees” (Matthew 16:6), His own disciples first thought of bread, but He rebuked them because He spoke of doctrine. Again and again He showed that His teaching is not carnal but spiritual.

The eating of His flesh and drinking of His blood is the receiving of His sacrifice, trusting in His life given on the cross, and abiding in Him. He said, “Abide in Me, and I in you” (John 15:4). He also said, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink” (John 7:37). Was He offering water from His veins, or was He speaking of the Spirit? He made it clear: “He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.” And John explained, “This He spoke concerning the Spirit” (John 7:38–39).

If He wished men to eat His body in a carnal way, He would have commanded His disciples at the Last Supper to cut His flesh and drink His blood. Instead He gave them bread and wine and said, “Do this in remembrance of Me” (Luke 22:19–20). This was a sign pointing to His body that would be broken and His blood that would be shed. Just as in the Passover the lamb was eaten to remember God’s deliverance, now He is the true Lamb, and those who receive Him in faith have eternal life.

Therefore, to demand that His words mean literal flesh and blood is to stumble as the Jews stumbled. It is to walk in darkness when He is the Light. He Himself declared, “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing” (John 6:63). To cling to the flesh is to miss the truth and to dishonor the One who spoke from heaven.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Interpretations from Classical Commentaries​

Matthew Henry​

• Sees the discourse as a figurative one: Jesus uses the imagery of eating and drinking to represent faith, showing how believers spiritually partake of Christ's life and sacrifice Good Books FreeBlue Letter Bible.
• The “flesh and blood” symbolize Christ incarnate and crucified—His life offered for the salvation of the world. Belief in Him is akin to spiritual nourishment, offering pardon, grace, and eternal life Good Books FreeBlue Letter Bible.

J. C. Ryle​

• Emphasizes that the eating and drinking of Christ's body and blood are not literal but spiritual acts of faith. The sacrament (Lord’s Supper) is not the same as this spiritual feeding Truth According to Scripture.

Barnes’ Notes (via BibleHub)​

• Confirms that “flesh and blood” point to Christ's human nature assumed for our redemption, and eating/drinking in this context is a metaphor for believing in Him and His atoning work Bible Hub+1.

Clarke’s Commentary​

• “Eating” Christ’s flesh and “drinking” His blood means becoming participants in the benefits of His atonement—receiving grace and communion with Christ—not the sacrament itself StudyLight.org.

Enduring Word Commentary​

• Highlights how Jesus intentionally used strong symbolic language to confront misunderstandings, urging that unless people inwardly receive His sacrifice by faith, they cannot have eternal life Enduring Word.

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Modern Explanations & Apologetics​

• GotQuestions.org and When Critics Ask argue strongly that the context shows Jesus speaking symbolically, pointing to spiritual rather than physical consumption of His flesh and blood. They highlight verses like “the words I speak to you are spirit, and they are life” (John 6:63) to show this BibliaPlusGotQuestions.org.

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Historical and Theological Context​

• Zwingli (Reformer): Stressed a symbolic interpretation of this passage, rejecting both transubstantiation and any physical reading as incompatible with Scripture’s spiritual emphasis Wikipedia.
• Reformed tradition (Calvin, Vermigli): Affirmed a spiritual presence in communion—not merely symbolic, but also rejecting physical transformation of bread and wine into Christ’s body and blood Wikipedia+1.

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Summary Table​

Source / School	Interpretation of “Eat His Flesh & Drink His Blood”
Matthew Henry	Figurative—faith as spiritual eating/drinking
J. C. Ryle	Non-literal, spiritual feeding through belief
Barnes / Clarke	Participation in Christ's atoning benefits by faith
Enduring Word	Radical metaphor for receiving salvation inwardly
GotQuestions / Apologists	Metaphorical, based on spiritual life context
Zwingli / Reformed	Symbolic or spiritual—denies physical transformation

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These interpretations align: Jesus' words in John 6 should be understood as describing spiritual union with Him through faith, not advocating a physical or literal consumption. Though various traditions may nuance the nature of Christ's presence in communion differently, the repeated consensus among many theologians—both classical and modern—is that John 6’s imagery is spiritual, not literal.

case closed!

 

[nedsk]

How stubborn you can be! Jesus said plainly, “The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life” (John 6:63). If His words are spirit, then anyone who makes them fleshly proves they do not hear Him. He often spoke in figures and parables, so that only those who had faith would understand. He said, “I am the door” (John 10:9), yet no one believes He is wood and hinges. He said, “I am the vine, you are the branches” (John 15:5), yet no one believes His body is a plant. He said, “I am the light of the world” (John 8:12), but no one thinks He burns like fire in a lamp. In the same way, when He said, “I am the bread of life” (John 6:35), He was showing that all who believe and come to Him will live.

To take His words in the fleshly sense is the same blindness the Pharisees had when they argued with Him. When He said, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up” (John 2:19), they thought of stones and buildings, but He was speaking of His body. When He warned, “Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees” (Matthew 16:6), His own disciples first thought of bread, but He rebuked them because He spoke of doctrine. Again and again He showed that His teaching is not carnal but spiritual.

The eating of His flesh and drinking of His blood is the receiving of His sacrifice, trusting in His life given on the cross, and abiding in Him. He said, “Abide in Me, and I in you” (John 15:4). He also said, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink” (John 7:37). Was He offering water from His veins, or was He speaking of the Spirit? He made it clear: “He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.” And John explained, “This He spoke concerning the Spirit” (John 7:38–39).

If He wished men to eat His body in a carnal way, He would have commanded His disciples at the Last Supper to cut His flesh and drink His blood. Instead He gave them bread and wine and said, “Do this in remembrance of Me” (Luke 22:19–20). This was a sign pointing to His body that would be broken and His blood that would be shed. Just as in the Passover the lamb was eaten to remember God’s deliverance, now He is the true Lamb, and those who receive Him in faith have eternal life.

Therefore, to demand that His words mean literal flesh and blood is to stumble as the Jews stumbled. It is to walk in darkness when He is the Light. He Himself declared, “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing” (John 6:63). To cling to the flesh is to miss the truth and to dishonor the One who spoke from heaven.

He speaks in fleshly terms. Ignoring what Jesus says isnt a good approach.

Im going to ask you a question and hope you have the courage to answer, IF IF Jesus did mean for us to eat his flesh what words would he have used? Be specific.

 

[nedsk]

In John chapter 6, eating His flesh and drinking His blood is not describing cannibalism but the reception of God’s grace by believing in Jesus Christ unto salvation, as Jesus makes it abundantly clear by repeating the same truths in both metaphoric and plain language. Compare for example the following two verses:

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.” (John 6:47)
“He who eats this bread will live forever.” (John 6:58)

“He who believes” in Christ is equivalent to “he who eats this bread” because the end result is the same--eternal life.
The parallel is the same in verses 40 and 54:

“Everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.” (John 6:40)
“Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.” (John 6:54)

John 6 does not support the false doctrine of transubstantiation. On the contrary, it is a statement on the primacy of believing in Him as the means by which we receive eternal life. Jesus is the Bread of Life; we eat of Him and are satisfied when we believe in Him unto salvation.

John 6:35 - "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst." As Jesus was accustomed, He used figurative language to emphasize these spiritual truths. Jesus explains the sense of the entire passage when He says, "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life." (John 6:63)

Bread represents the "staff of life." Sustenance. That which essential to sustain life. Just as bread or sustenance is necessary to maintain physical life, Jesus is all the sustenance necessary for spiritual life.

The source of physical life is blood -- "life is in the blood." As with the bread, just as blood is the empowering or source of life physically, Jesus is all the source of spiritual life necessary.

So if truly THE flesh profits nothing then Jesus flesh dying on the cross is just an execution. Jesus said the flesh NOT his flesh.

If Jesus did mean for us to eat his flesh and drink his blood, which btw he said 3 times for us to do, what words would he have used instead of the ones we see in John 6? Be specific.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ronald,

You should read all of 1John 2 instead of cherry-picking verses from different books of John and shove them all together to fit what you believe. If you read 1 John 2:19 IN CONTEXT the reason those sheep left the flock was because of false teachers in their midst. They left to follow the false teachers. They left because they did not “let what (they) heard from the beginning abide in (them)” (VS27) and “if what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you will abide in the Son and in the Father” (1 John 2:24). The Word stopped abiding in them, so they left. It doesn't mean they weren't, as you say, "real sheep". It just means they were deceived by false teachers and left. If they eventually figure out that they were deceived by false teachers and ask to come back into the flock (The Church), they will be met with open arms and they will once again be "real sheep". The Church has a process for kicking someone out of and allowing them back into The Church, which is spoken of in Matthew 18! But you already knew that......

The truth is that you ripped those verses out of their context and created a new doctrine out of whole cloth! Anything you added, if it does not conform to what is revealed in Scripture, is to be rejected and renounced at all costs! Maybe all of this is above your learning since you have horribly ripped many verses out of their context to try to defend your unbiblical position.

Scripture says that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth. What Church did you get your teaching from Ronald?

Curious Mary

Now prove you raccusations. don't just accuse, but show your supposed evidence I cherry pick-- But you do as well so you are the pot calling the kettle.

I await your evidence that I am pulling verses out of context.

Sorry you don't believe jesus shed His blood for all your sins.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

If you taught yourself that.........You are lying to yourself

If another man taught you that......Run from them

Works are a result of salvation just as gods Word says:

Ephesians 2:8-10

King James Version

​

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

We are saved to do good works, not saved or kept saved by them.

You should run away from those romanist teachings.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

If you taught yourself that.........You are lying to yourself

If another man taught you that......Run from them

I am curious what your take on Pauls Words mean in this passage:

Romans 5

King James Version

​

5 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Also remember we were chosen to be in christ before the foundation of the world as Paul wrote in ephesians.

Why would an all knowing God woo us, call us, choose us, justify us give us new birth as His enemies only to cast us out when we become His children??

I would fear being a child of yours.

 

[nedsk]

Works are a result of salvation just as gods Word says:

Ephesians 2:8-10​

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8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

We are saved to do good works, not saved or kept saved by them.

You should run away from those romanist teachings.

Salvation does not cause works. People have to choose to do them. If you dont have a choice then you arent acting in love. If you drop a rock it falls to the ground because gravity causes it to. The rock is not dropping because it loves gravity.

 

[mailmandan]

So if truly THE flesh profits nothing then Jesus flesh dying on the cross is just an execution. Jesus said the flesh NOT hi flesh.

If Jesus did mean for us to eat his flesh and drink his blood, which btw he said 3 times for us to do, what words would he have used instead of the ones we see in John 6? Be specific.

Jesus was addressing the Jews here who thought that Jesus was talking about literally eating His flesh and literally drinking His blood (cannibalism). The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?” (John 6:50)

John 6:61 - When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. Again, as Jesus was accustomed, He used figurative language to emphasize these spiritual truths.

I already thoroughly covered this in post #2,450. Once again, bread represents the "staff of life." Sustenance. That which essential to sustain life. Just as bread or sustenance is necessary to maintain physical life, Jesus is all the sustenance necessary for spiritual life. The source of physical life is blood -- "life is in the blood." As with the bread, just as blood is the empowering or source of life physically, Jesus is all the source of spiritual life necessary.