OSAS from the Gnostics

[Eternally Grateful]

Yeah its obvious its about meats drinks and days , NOT SINS .
ITS NOT LAWFUL FOR US TO SIN . WHAT LAW OF GOD EVER said ITS LAWFUL FOR ANY TO SIN .
It never has been LAWFUL for any to sin . GUESS GODS LAWS make it lawful TO SIN . NO SIR . NOT even .
This was about meats drinks and days , will worship . NOT sins .

Paul said all things are lawful. It just means they can not condemned me

But not all things are profitable. But every act we do in sin comes not only with consequences but will enact the chastening of God

 

[nedsk]

Here are the basics, regarding why i can deal easily with people who dont believe the bible or use it,... or dont read it, or dont study it, and instead believe what their cult tells them to think...such as.....>>"the bible is not completed, so we add to it for over 1000 yrs, (MaryCult)..anytime we decide to do it, and our decieved sheep all believe us, because we have trained them to trust in "church fathers"... most of all.
We teach them that you need to talk to our Priests, if you have any bible questions, so that we can continue to fill up your mind with our cult theology.

So, im....

1.) Seminary Trained
2.) Secondary Training in Manuscript Evidence regarding "extant" Koine Greek Texts.
3.) Worked in a few positions in a Local Church
4.) Have taught the New Testament on both sides of this world.
5.) Im an Evangelist for about 35 yrs... with a specific anointing to teach the NT (specfically Paul's Doctrine).

NOTHING there proves you speak authoritatively about scripture except your imagination. You believe heresy, you preach heresy that just might make you a heretic. Maybe your parlor tricks impress some people but they make me pity you.

 

[Gideon300]

But some did actually get saved.

God's warnings are to those that got saved and then turned way

Here's a warning speaking to "brethren" (actual Christians)

James 5:19,20 - Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

There are three salvations. They are spiritual, which is instant and eternal. There is the salvation of the soul, which is progressive and conditional, and takes a lifetime. There is the salvation of the body, also instant and eternal. Those who object to OSAS do not understand the difference between spirit and soul.

 

[Taken]

OSAS from the Gnostics

What’s a Gnostic ?

 

[Behold]

OSAS from the Gnostics

What’s a Gnostic ?

The Traditional understanding of a "Gnostic".......

They are a religious group of Jews, from 1st century History..... about 80ad-160ad... was their "peak".

The "father" of Gnosticism was "Valentinus"......who almost became a MaryCult POPE.

Essentially they believe that "sin" is not actually real... similar to more recent "Christian Science" teaching....and that the fallen nature in a person, is simply igornace of higher spiritual understanding, and if you gain this you are enlightened and freed.

If you read 1 Jn 1:9......its very likely that John was dealing with Jewish Gnostics, as He is trying to make them understand the concept of SIN, and they are not agreeing.

 

[Taken]

The Traditional understanding of a "Gnostic".......

They are a religious group of Jews, from 1st century History..... about 80ad-160ad... was their "peak".

The "father" of Gnosticism was "Valentinus"......who almost became a MaryCult POPE.

Essentially they believe that "sin" is not actually real... similar to more recent "Christian Science" teaching....and that the fallen nature in a person, is simply igornace of higher spiritual understanding, and if you gain this you are enlightened and freed.

If you read 1 Jn 1:9......its very likely that John was dealing with Jewish Gnostics, as He is trying to make them understand the concept of SIN, and they are not agreeing.

Thanks.

Greek - gnosis simply means in English; Knowledge.

Obviously Knowledge is highly impressed in Scripture… and the Understanding thereof is the centuries long conundrum…between people… instigating endless interpretations.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Thanks.

Greek - gnosis simply means in English; Knowledge.

Obviously Knowledge is highly impressed in Scripture… and the Understanding thereof is the centuries long conundrum…between people… instigating endless interpretations.

And we have seen in this thread the knowledge some think they have about salvation being lost by some magical means, which is wizardry...or akin to it. Some can't seem to figure out how warped that belief is in relation to scripture, for if one has to RETAIN their salvation by their own efforts, then they have to believe that they earned it by some measure of their own strength. The idea that the blood of Christ ONLY atoned for past sins and not future, its sheer nonsense to think that we then are walking on thin egg shells in this life with the danger of loss of salvation on every horizon of every day and every moment. I leave that kind of trashy living to the cultic departures from truth that teach the requirement for works and ritualistic works in order to retain their salvation by way of their silly rituals in their mausoleums with four walls. Some even believe they're minimizing the torture taught to them as what is coming right after death, and that payment of mere money and the motions of pagan rituals somehow whittles away some of the time they will spend there for their alleged "purging." The depths of pagan carnality in all that nonsense speaks for itself.

Challenge: For those who believe in loss of salvation, please define for us all that line, the threshold over which one steps in order to allegedly loose his or her salvation. Define that line with the same clarity the scriptures use to define the line of salvation, which is belief in the death, burial and resurrection on the third day of the Lord Jesus Christ. THAT line is clearly defined, but the other that seems to exist only in the imaginations of the ignorant, that line remains elusive and out of sight, thus suggesting the Lord is hiding behind a rock, just waiting for those who cross that undefined line so that He can jump out and say, "Aaahaaa! Gotch ya! YOU crossed the trip-wire line right there that you couldn't see! You're FINISHED!"

BTW

 

[Taken]

And we have seen in this thread the knowledge some think they have about salvation being lost by some magical means, which is wizardry...or akin to it. Some can't seem to figure out how warped that belief is in relation to scripture, for if one has to RETAIN their salvation by their own efforts, then they have to believe that they earned it by some measure of their own strength. The idea that the blood of Christ ONLY atoned for past sins and not future, its sheer nonsense to think that we then are walking on thin egg shells in this life with the danger of loss of salvation on every horizon of every day and every moment. I leave that kind of trashy living to the cultic departures from truth that teach the requirement for works and ritualistic works in order to retain their salvation by way of their silly rituals in their mausoleums with four walls. Some even believe they're minimizing the torture taught to them as what is coming right after death, and that payment of mere money and the motions of pagan rituals somehow whittles away some of the time they will spend there for their alleged "purging." The depths of pagan carnality in all that nonsense speaks for itself.


BTW

Amen!

There is ONLY ONE “works” a man can “Do” to become a candidate to become “MADE” Saved.

BELIEVE (in one’s Heart)…

That IS the meaning of “mens faith without “That works” is Dead.

What Works?
Jesus Revealed…

John 6:
24] When the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, neither his disciples, they also took shipping, and came to Capernaum, seeking for Jesus.
[25] And when they had ]B]found him on the other side of the sea, [/B]they said unto him, Rabbi, when camest thou hither?
[26] Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
[27] Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
[28] Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
[29] Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Work the works of God.
Believe in Jesus, whom (HE) God Sent.

By default requires the Works to be:
Belief IN God (the sender)
Belief ON (the sent) Jesus.
Only Works…FOR… TO Gain the Gift of Salvation.

Works that glorify God? …rewards rendered.
Works that do not glorify God?… works burned

Salvation is a Gift…not a Reward.
Gifts are NOT revoked.
Gifts can be withheld, not deserved, not given.
Rewards are not revoked.
Rewards can be withheld, not deserved, not given.

Gifts, Rewards, Blessings, Offered by God, ONCE Given are never Revoked.

Gifts, Rewards, Blessings, Offered by God…
Rejected, Not TAKEN, are Not possessed by the man…. Man by default LOSES his offered, Gifts. Rewards, Blessings.

The offerings of Gifts, Rewards, Blessings From God…not taken…Before a mans bodily death…Man has Lost forever his gifts, rewards, blessings….

Not rocket science…yet some will argue…what they can not comprehend.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Amen!

There is ONLY ONE “works” a man can “Do” to become a candidate to become “MADE” Saved.

BELIEVE (in one’s Heart)…

That IS the meaning of “mens faith without “That works” is Dead.

What Works?
Jesus Revealed…

John 6:
24] When the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, neither his disciples, they also took shipping, and came to Capernaum, seeking for Jesus.
[25] And when they had ]B]found him on the other side of the sea, [/B]they said unto him, Rabbi, when camest thou hither?
[26] Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
[27] Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
[28] Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
[29] Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Work the works of God.
Believe in Jesus, whom (HE) God Sent.

By default requires the Works to be:
Belief IN God (the sender)
Belief ON (the sent) Jesus.
Only Works…FOR… TO Gain the Gift of Salvation.

Works that glorify God? …rewards rendered.
Works that do not glorify God?… works burned

Salvation is a Gift…not a Reward.
Gifts are NOT revoked.
Gifts can be withheld, not deserved, not given.
Rewards are not revoked.
Rewards can be withheld, not deserved, not given.

Gifts, Rewards, Blessings, Offered by God, ONCE Given are never Revoked.

Gifts, Rewards, Blessings, Offered by God…
Rejected, Not TAKEN, are Not possessed by the man…. Man by default LOSES his offered, Gifts. Rewards, Blessings.

The offerings of Gifts, Rewards, Blessings From God…not taken…Before a mans bodily death…Man has Lost forever his gifts, rewards, blessings….

Not rocket science…yet some will argue…what they can not comprehend.

To go one step further, faith is not a work:

Ephsians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

There's a guy at my workplace who insists that faith is a work, and yet when he tries to define the parallel, his words betray the fallacy in his thinking.

BTW

 

[Taken]

To go one step further, faith is not a work:

Ephsians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

There's a guy at my workplace who insists that faith is a work, and yet when he tries to define the parallel, his words betray the fallacy in his thinking.

BTW

Correct.
Faith is a Gift, FOR a man hearing the word of God.

Hear a little receive a little faith…

Everything …natural or spiritual knowledge is bit by bit, little by little….then further the step by step … order, way the knowledge on a specific topic increases…

And Always…the Understanding follows thereafter… sometimes a LONG time thereafter.

To elaborate…step by step specific…
A passage…consider all;
Who, what, when, where, why…
For example;
If the WHO does not apply to me…naturally, gender, age, race (Jew or Gentile)…
If the WHAT does not apply to me…belief / nonbelief, under Roman law, in prison. Etc.

I don’t pretend it Does apply to me.
It’s moot.

Fact is ONCE a person IS Saved / Quickened, very little of Scripture Applies to that man.

Glory to God,
Taken