Jesus is God

[GodsGrace]

So? Your statements are vague.

I stated that Jesus is in the OT.

Exodus 3:1-6
1 Now Moses was pasturing the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian; and he led the flock to the west side of the wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God.
2 The angel of the LORD appeared to him in a blazing fire from the midst of a bush; and he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, yet the bush was not consumed.
3 So Moses said, "I must turn aside now and see this marvelous sight, why the bush is not burned up."
4 When the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, "Moses, Moses!" And he said, "Here I am."
5 Then He said, "Do not come near here; remove your sandals from your feet, for the place on which you are standing is holy ground."
6 He said also, "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob." Then Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God.


The ANGEL of the LORD appeared to Moses.
The LORD saw that Moses looked aside.
then
GOD called to Moses from the burning bush.
and He (God) said I am the God of your father,,,the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Moses was afraid to look at God.

How do you understand the above?
There is the ANGEL (messenger? Jesus?)
There is the LORD.
There is GOD

I believe LORD and GOD is the same being.
Who was the ANGEL?

I'd also refer to Psalm 110:1 THE LORD said to my Lord.
Also, Isaiah 52, 53 seems to be very clear.

 

[GodsGrace]

There are two LOGOI.

How is that?

I'd say that there is one logos...
one mind, reason, thought, word of God.

And that ONE logos of God became flesh.

 

[GodsGrace]

ho wow you left out some words ,which kinda explains tings
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.”—John 1:1

Where do you get that translation?

§So if there was GOD
and there was the Word that was also a god....

Then we now have 2 Gods.....

This doesn't sound good locust.

But please give your source for John 1:1 and the Word was a God.

I find that in the New World Translation.
Are you a JW?

 

[Hiddenthings]

What's with you and the creeds? I don't do creeds. You are totally up the wrong tree. I told you. I learn what I know from the Bible.

Much love!

This is what people say who hold to creeds say Marks.

 

[GodsGrace]

The Creed itself is the source of these assumptions, so instead of comparing Scripture with Scripture, what's actually happening is a comparison of the Nicene Creed with Scripture. Many Christians, like David Lamb, have accepted the foundation of their beliefs without ever questioning or testing it. Over the past two months, this forum has had the opportunity to uncover the identity of their so-called "fallen angel", yet has failed to do so. The reason remains the same, a willingness to blindly accept the source of extrabiblical beliefs, not grounded in the Word, but in the doctrines of men.

I've studied with 3 different denominations.
I had to study a lot on my own because I'm not one to just blindly accept what I'm taught.

The words to the Nicene Creed (one of a few) do not conflict in any way with scripture.
IF it did...it would not have been ratified by the early church.

It is NOT an extra-biblical belief just because it's not in the bible.
YOU, I'm sure, study many books ... can we say that these are extra biblical?
ONLY if they do not agree with scripture.

Even though we could have differing opinion on some topics, we cannot disagree on what makes a person be Christian...
as you know by now, this really is upsetting to me.

If a person does not believe a creed,,,he cannot be defined as Christian.

And I don't know what you mean by "fallen angel"...I don't have the time to really follow any thread.

Creeds are not the doctrines of men...they are affirmations of what the church believed from the beginnings.

Corinthians 15:3-8 is the very first creed.

 

[Hiddenthings]

The words to the Nicene Creed (one of a few) do not conflict in any way with scripture.

@marks see!

 

[GodsGrace]

@marks see!

LOL
Do you agree with Corinthians 15.3-8?
That's the first Creed.

And,,,you'd have to show how any of the sentences in the creed I posted to you do NOT adhere to scripture.

You won't be able to.

 

[Hiddenthings]

LOL
Do you agree with Corinthians 15.3-8?
That's the first Creed.

And,,,you'd have to show how any of the sentences in the creed I posted to you do NOT adhere to scripture.

You won't be able to.

You don't believe Jesus died, you can't, can you...

 

[marks]

@marks see!

Why are you hounding me about creeds? Is that so you can ignore all the Scripture I've posted??

Do you see??

Much love!

 

[Muna]

Why are you hounding me about creeds? Is that so you can ignore all the Scripture I've posted??

Do you see??

Much love!

I am glad to see he has moved on from devils
(at least for "a season")

 

[Hiddenthings]

Why are you hounding me about creeds? Is that so you can ignore all the Scripture I've posted??

Do you see??

Much love!

The Scripture you're posted mentions nothing about the creed which is the basis of your belief.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I am glad to see he has moved on from devils
(at least for "a season")

We will be back there soon Truly!

 

[PS95]

Where do you get that translation?

§So if there was GOD
and there was the Word that was also a god....

Then we now have 2 Gods.....

This doesn't sound good locust.

But please give your source for John 1:1 and the Word was a God.

I find that in the New World Translation.
Are you a JW?

yes he is.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Where do you get that translation?

§So if there was GOD
and there was the Word that was also a god....

Then we now have 2 Gods.....

This doesn't sound good locust.

But please give your source for John 1:1 and the Word was a God.

I find that in the New World Translation.
Are you a JW?

Many, many years ago, possibly in the 60s, or the 70s, watch tower erroneously inserted "a god" into John chapter one.
In the foot notes of the watchtower Bible, they quoted AT Robinson as the source, for a suppose, superior translation, claiming that AT Robinson, who was a Greek expert, agreed with their erroneous change of God's word.
But AT Robinson, got wind of it and told them if they didn't remove it, he was gonna Sue them.
So I don't know the ends and outs of it, but if you'll look at a watch tower Bible, it no longer quotes AT. Robinson.

IOW....THEY cannot process the word of God expressing God's plurality, so they invent changes to calm the torment in their minds.

 

[Bladerunner]

ho wow you left out some words ,which kinda explains tings
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.”—John 1:1

what version of the bible are you using.

 

[GodsGrace]

You don't believe Jesus died, you can't, can you...

What kind of a response is this?
If you can't respond to something,,,just admit it.

 

[GodsGrace]

what version of the bible are you using.

See my post no. 343.
No reply yet.

He's a JW.

I do wonder why it's so important for them to try to convince Christians that Jesus is not God.

They follow a religion invented in the 1800's.
What more needs to be said?

 

[Hiddenthings]

What kind of a response is this?
If you can't respond to something,,,just admit it.

You quoted a section of text that refers to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. However, your Trinitarian interpretation means for you he didn't actually died or was raised.

 

[Bladerunner]

See my post no. 343.
No reply yet.

He's a JW.

I do wonder why it's so important for them to try to convince Christians that Jesus is not God.

They follow a religion invented in the 1800's.
What more needs to be said?

but Jesus says He is GOD..

 

[Deleted member 26788]

but Jesus says He is GOD..

would that be from the Bible you rewrote to back your own personal thoughts ?