Could heaven be made up of solid light?

[Jericho]

In another thread, I proposed the idea that everything in heaven is made up of light—the people, the grass, the buildings, everything. At its core, light is basically energy in motion. In our physical world, light acts as a wave. But at the quantum level, light can also act as a particle. Theoretically, under the right conditions, light could become matter. I kicked around some ideas with ChatGPT without mentioning heaven, and it gave some interesting answers. I asked, "If you were to add more dimensions to our 3 spatial dimensions, could light theoretically become solid?" In short, the answer was, "Yes, it’s possible that light could gain mass-like properties from higher-dimensional effects, allowing it to clump, interact strongly, and even form structures like 'solid matter.'" It brought up something called the "solid light civilianization." I asked it to expound on that, and this is what it said:

“Solid light civilization” isn’t a real physics term, but it’s a natural thought experiment if we imagine light behaving like matter. Let’s build the idea step by step:

What Do We Mean by “Solid Light”?

Normally, photons:

• Have no rest mass.
• Travel at the speed of light.
• Don’t interact with each other much (they pass through each other).

But in special conditions, photons can be made to behave like matter:

• In 2013, Harvard/MIT physicists created “photonic molecules” — bound states of photons that act like they have mass.
• In quantum optics labs, photons can form Bose–Einstein condensates, behaving more like fluids or solids.

So in theory, light can be coaxed into acting as “solid.”

Extending That to a Civilization

If light could be bound, structured, and stabilized the way atoms are bound in matter, then you could imagine:

Light-Based Matter

• Instead of atoms made of protons, neutrons, and electrons, “solid light” matter would be made of photons bound in exotic ways.
• Structures (walls, tools, even bodies) could be constructed out of coherent, solidified photons.

Energy and Stability

• Such beings or structures would likely exist at extremely high energy states.
• To us, they might appear as pure glowing forms — radiant beings — but to themselves, they’d feel solid.

Physics of a Civilization

• They wouldn’t need fossil fuels, food, or metals. Their “matter” and “energy” would be the same thing.
• Information could be written directly into light-structures (think holograms made real).
• Travel might be easier, since their nature would already be tied to photons (speed-of-light interactions).

Perception of Us

• Such a civilization might perceive the universe very differently — not in terms of objects and shadows, but as flows of energy, fields, and frequencies.
• Our “solid matter” might look to them like frozen, sluggish light.

In Simple Terms

A solid light civilization would be a society built not from atoms and molecules, but from bound photons.

• Their “cities” would glow.
• Their “bodies” would be radiant.
• Their “technology” would be indistinguishable from light itself.

I don't know, but that sounds like heaven to me. Imagine having a body of pure light!

 

[Exegesis]

You are on the right track OP. My advice would be to find the top and work your way down. The Bible describes different dimensions, all with their various traits. You need to separate them to see how each one functions and what 'substance' they are made of.

Here is the 'top level' so to speak:

1 Timothy 6:16 - "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."

I call it the 'fifth dimension' for lack of a better term. As the verse suggests, God ultimately dwells in a place of 'unapproachable light'. Moreover, none of us will ever get to go there or see it. It is where the face of God is. Scripture teaches us that we would die if we ever saw it.

This unapproachable light is like an infinite sea of energy, light, information, words and most important of all, sentience. It is where the three persons of the Trinity are merged into a 'unified field' so to speak. It is where the 'Theory of Everything' begins and ends.

The unapproachable light is also the place that existed *before* the Three Heavens were made. Meditate on that.

The closest thing we have to understanding the unapproachable light is software code running a simulation. It is the Word of God that manifests everything. From the Logos, the simulation begins to take form. It starts out as the Wave Function and ultimately ends up as a Particle.

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The High Priest Breastplate is symbolic of the Standard Model of Particle Physics. Each gemstone represents a Fermion (Quarks and Leptons). The Four Standards (Four Faces) are symbolic of the Four Fundamental Interactions of Physics.

Lion = Electromagnetism
Man = Weak Force
Ox = Strong Force
Eagle = Gravity

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You need to find this type of information in the Bible to understand what the bigger picture is. Ezekiel's Wheels will be a big help once you understand that they are symbolic of Atoms.

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The 'eyes' are symbolic of Electrons. The 'rings' are symbolic of orbitals or shells. Etc. etc. Once you have these pieces put together, you can see things clearer.

As far as New Jerusalem and that dimension or Heaven, I would suggest you look into crystalline life forms. Think of how consciousness spirit, etc. can be stored in such a construct. They are in a sense 'immortal'.

Note the physiology of the One sitting on the throne:

Revelation 4:3 - "And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald."

This is not a 'flesh and blood' entity. Clearly he is made of a form of living crystal. The rest of New Jerusalem is similar. Look at what the Apostles were turned into:

Revelation 21:14 - "And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb."

Ephesians 2:20 - And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;"

They make up the crystalline foundation that the 'temple body' is built from.

Here is a crude diagram I made describing some of the 'layers' I have found so far:

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Note that the Sea of Glass is a dimensional barrier that separates our 3D world from the 4D 'spirit' world.

Most Christians don't realize that the Throne Room is a lower dimension from something higher. It is being manifested, like a hologram.

Anyhow, nice thread. It's good to see folks push the envelope on this stuff.

 

[Iina]

My English is bit awkward, so please bear with me. I think that light might be seeming 'ethereal' but actually it is light which is altering the energy of electrons - this is causing ordinary things like your hand not going straight through the wall.

The light in Bible, I believe it is partly analogical, or metaphorical. It means 'something that is illuminating'. There exists connection in human religions between the light, sky, sun, and Heaven. We are having words like holy, sacred, chakra, and so on - they are literally referring to halos of light, sun as disc, these things.

This metaphor is quite obvious: light is allowing you to see, and also it is connected with not freezing to death. But God, however, He is spirit, and heaven is spiritual realm, not physical one. I don't want to be saying it is completely metaphorical, because it is spirit of God which gives to material things their properties, but the spirit is clearly distinguished from physical objects.

 

[Jericho]

This metaphor is quite obvious: light is allowing you to see, and also it is connected with not freezing to death. But God, however, He is spirit, and heaven is spiritual realm, not physical one. I don't want to be saying it is completely metaphorical, because it is spirit of God which gives to material things their properties, but the spirit is clearly distinguished from physical objects.

Thanks for the comment. I haven't focused on the allegory or symbolism of light but in understanding the mechanics of heaven and how it all works. I do find it interesting that light is often associated with heaven, God, and angels. Even in near-death experiences, light is a central theme. Everything seems to permeate light in heaven, which is why I theorize that everything is made up of light. Heaven is a spiritual realm, true, but to its occupants it also must have some degree of physicality, I would think. To them, it must be just as real and tangible as it is on earth, and even more so. This is just my analytical/scientific thinking.

 

[marks]

Thanks for the comment. I haven't focused on the allegory or symbolism of light but in understanding the mechanics of heaven and how it all works. I do find it interesting that light is often associated with heaven, God, and angels. Even in near-death experiences, light is a central theme. Everything seems to permeate light in heaven, which is why I theorize that everything is made up of light. Heaven is a spiritual realm, true, but to its occupants it also must have some degree of physicality, I would think. To them, it must be just as real and tangible as it is on earth, and even more so. This is just my analytical/scientific thinking.

Have you read C.S. Lewis, "The Great Divorce"?

Much love!

 

[Jericho]

Have you read C.S. Lewis, "The Great Divorce"?

Much love!

No, I haven't, Mark. What does he say?

 

[Behold]

Imagine having a body of pure light!

Jesus is the "Light of the World".
The Bible gives us Light for Life
The born again are "Children of the Light".
Believers are the "light of the world".
God's face "shines on you".
Gaining Bible Revelation is to receive from God : Spiritual En-Lightenment
If you follow Jesus, "you shall not walk in Darkness".
The word of God is a Light for your path.
The Born again have been "translatted from darkness ......to LIGHT".
The KOG is a spiritual Kingdom, and it is indeed The Kingdom of Light.
""God is light; in Him there is no darkness at all.""
The reason a Believer has eternal fellowship with God is because We "walk in the Light and the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin".

 

[marks]

No, I haven't, Mark. What does he say?

The story is about how there are bus trips from purgatory into the outskirts of heaven, where those from purgatory, if they go, find heaven to be so solid as to be intolerable.

Theologically, I don't know it's all that great, but he makes some great observations of what is material and what is spiritual, with the spiritual being the real.

Those in purgatory live in a sunset land about to turn dark, those in heaven live in a sunrise land about to become Day. The call in heaven is "further up and further in", as the Day approaches.

Much love!

 

[ScottA]

In another thread, I proposed the idea that everything in heaven is made up of light—the people, the grass, the buildings, everything. At its core, light is basically energy in motion. In our physical world, light acts as a wave. But at the quantum level, light can also act as a particle. Theoretically, under the right conditions, light could become matter. I kicked around some ideas with ChatGPT without mentioning heaven, and it gave some interesting answers. I asked, "If you were to add more dimensions to our 3 spatial dimensions, could light theoretically become solid?" In short, the answer was, "Yes, it’s possible that light could gain mass-like properties from higher-dimensional effects, allowing it to clump, interact strongly, and even form structures like 'solid matter.'" It brought up something called the "solid light civilianization." I asked it to expound on that, and this is what it said:

“Solid light civilization” isn’t a real physics term, but it’s a natural thought experiment if we imagine light behaving like matter. Let’s build the idea step by step:

What Do We Mean by “Solid Light”?

Normally, photons:

• Have no rest mass.
• Travel at the speed of light.
• Don’t interact with each other much (they pass through each other).

But in special conditions, photons can be made to behave like matter:

• In 2013, Harvard/MIT physicists created “photonic molecules” — bound states of photons that act like they have mass.
• In quantum optics labs, photons can form Bose–Einstein condensates, behaving more like fluids or solids.

So in theory, light can be coaxed into acting as “solid.”

Extending That to a Civilization

If light could be bound, structured, and stabilized the way atoms are bound in matter, then you could imagine:

Light-Based Matter

• Instead of atoms made of protons, neutrons, and electrons, “solid light” matter would be made of photons bound in exotic ways.
• Structures (walls, tools, even bodies) could be constructed out of coherent, solidified photons.

Energy and Stability

• Such beings or structures would likely exist at extremely high energy states.
• To us, they might appear as pure glowing forms — radiant beings — but to themselves, they’d feel solid.

Physics of a Civilization

• They wouldn’t need fossil fuels, food, or metals. Their “matter” and “energy” would be the same thing.
• Information could be written directly into light-structures (think holograms made real).
• Travel might be easier, since their nature would already be tied to photons (speed-of-light interactions).

Perception of Us

• Such a civilization might perceive the universe very differently — not in terms of objects and shadows, but as flows of energy, fields, and frequencies.
• Our “solid matter” might look to them like frozen, sluggish light.

In Simple Terms

A solid light civilization would be a society built not from atoms and molecules, but from bound photons.

• Their “cities” would glow.
• Their “bodies” would be radiant.
• Their “technology” would be indistinguishable from light itself.

I don't know, but that sounds like heaven to me. Imagine having a body of pure light!

Interesting. I am no expert of the science, but basically it is Light and Energy (the power of God) that makes up Matter.

What I do know and can tell you, is that with that Mass comes biblical "darkness" and the "shadow of darkness." Which is the dividing of "the Light from the Darkness" mentioned in Genesis; which is the result of God dividing His eternity into increments of time--Time is eternity divided, aka "silence in Heaven for about half an hour." Thus, the world and its times are defined, as: "a time, times, and half a time."

Interestingly, Space is the evidence of God's dividing of eternity in the creation of times. Such is the great divide between Heaven and Earth. Thus: Time, Space, and Matter.

However, in Heaven there is no "divide." In other words, our science (and that of AI) does not take into account what is outside and beyond the realm of this world and its limited laws of physics.

 

[Taken]

Could heaven be made up of solid light?

IMO
A Solid suggests a plane / structural level of depth and width.

Scripture Reveals Heaven(S)…
A barrier between Worlds / habitats/ Inhabitants.

The Heaven(S)…(levels /so to speak)…suggest (some) inhabitants of THIS World Earth and inhabitants of the Heavens …
HAVE abilities to PEEK / SEE / GLIMPSE / TRAVEL TO/ CROSS OVER TO…
The barrier of one World To Another.

POINT BLANK breakdown;
Terrestrial, Human, Earth inhabitant, can SEE, lower heaven, travel in clouds, mountain tops, airplanes. Have viewed, seen, mid (2nd) heavens, traveled in mid heavens, rockets.
(3rd) Heaven, off limits to HUMAN PERSONS.
(3rd) Heaven, a resting / waiting place for departed living restored (saved souls) and quickened (born again) living spirits of bodily dead humans.
AKA… Heaven…Gods Throne, Gods Presence.
Departed unsaved living souls and non- born again spirits Denied Access TO: 3 rd Heaven.

(Human- a Kind of earthly being.
(Person- a living Human body, with a living soul in its body.

Celestial, beings that Were /Are created Spirits. Their habitat, mid (2nd) Heaven.
Their access…To 3rd,(highest) 2nd,(mid) and 1st (lower) Heavens…AND Earth.

Celestial, spirits, “against God”, Cast out, denied Access to 3rd Heaven. (and I speculate lost access to 2nd heaven, / their original Estate) Most (exception of a few) have full access to lower Heavens and Earth.
(they retain their power / mighty, as Holy angels)… which both…
Holy and Fallen celestial beings (Angels)… have their own body’s … and have the Power to appear to Humans “AS a Human”….walk, talk, eat. Etc. As humans.

God IS “Pure”…solid, impenetrable Light. It IS Gods Supreme Power, His Glory, He “gives to no one”.

Humans were “Formed” by God, of Dust of the Earth.
Light humans CAN See was “Formed” by God of God, who IS Light.

Created Celestial / Terrestrial Beings are Given “Gods Light” by, through, of “Reflection” of Gods Light…through measures… of … upon, with, in.

Gods “Throne” IS Presently Heaven.
Gods “Throne” IS foretold Shall Expand to include Earth”.

** Gods “Estate” / Habitat?
On Earth? In the Earth? Lower Heaven? Mid Heaven? High Heaven?
No, No, No, No, No…

** Gods Estate, where no (human) man has seen, been is… Above the Heavens!
Pss 113:4-6

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[soberxp]

Celestial
仙人.

 

[Jericho]

Theologically, I don't know it's all that great, but he makes some great observations of what is material and what is spiritual, with the spiritual being the real.

I've heard NDEs describe it as more real than our own world. That is hard to conceptualize because this world is all we've ever known. We have no other reference point.

 

[ScottA]

I've heard NDEs describe it as more real than our own world. That is hard to conceptualize because this world is all we've ever known. We have no other reference point.

But what we do have...is a clear indication, which by faith is meant to be believed--that:

• "God is spirit."
• "Your Father in heaven is perfect."
• "You shall be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect."
• “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."
• "The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
• "Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it."