How many Qurans are there? Good information for Christians.
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I just found out some weeks ago while watching Dr. David Wood and Godlogic. They really know the Quran and the Hadiths. They regularly debate the Muslim apologists.
One of the Christian apologists at Speaker's Corner had 26 different Qurans with him! The Muslim apologists couldn't deny the truth then.
Of course their scholars can deny it, and they do. There is only one Quran.
I’ve gone down this trail in conversations with them. It’s a semantics argument.
Here's Dr. Jay Smith at Speaker's Corner London with the 26 Qurans. Short video. At the end, a few Muslims were trying to take the Qurans to hide the evidence.
I’m not sure how a male Muslim would react to you @Debp. With that in mind I looked for, and found, a female Muslim to provide the Islamic response to the Christian’s claim.
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How Many versions of the Quran are there? - Explore Islam
Are There Different Versions Of Quran? In fact, those Qira'at are all authentic and traced all the way back to the Messenger Muhammad (PBUH).
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Many Qurans were burned as they tried to standardize into one Quran, an Egyptian 1924.
Dr. David Wood. Very brief video.
Dr. David Wood. Very brief video.
You know they always make excuses for everything. They even try to defend Mohammed's having sex with a nine year old girl...after marrying her at six years old. Mohammad was in his early fifties.
You know they say similar things about non-Muslims. That’s unproductive dialogue coming from both Muslims and non-Muslims.
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Cultural differences.
Shall we come down on the ancient Jews now and accuse them of pedophilia?
12-year-old-females / 13-year-old males marrying. Okay or not okay in the Bible?
”_____ are brainwashed.”
Fill in the blank with the religious group of your choosing: Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, etc.
Whether it‘s true or not, it isn’t an effective approach to evangelism for any group. It’s a barrier.
My recommendation to all groups is to avoid using it.
Fill in the blank with the religious group of your choosing: Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, etc.
Whether it‘s true or not, it isn’t an effective approach to evangelism for any group. It’s a barrier.
My recommendation to all groups is to avoid using it.
This is done in a humorous way but shows several actual writings from Islamic scholars which show the Quran is not perfectly preserved...as Muslims claim.
I found out verses on stoning and breastfeeding adults were left out of the Quran because Aisha's sheep came in and ate them from under her pillow, after the death of Muhammad.
Dr. David Wood and Nabeel.
I found out verses on stoning and breastfeeding adults were left out of the Quran because Aisha's sheep came in and ate them from under her pillow, after the death of Muhammad.
Dr. David Wood and Nabeel.
Concerning the styles of Qur’anic recitation (Qira'at):I’m not sure how a male Muslim would react to you @Debp. With that in mind I looked for, and found, a female Muslim to provide the Islamic response to the Christian’s claim.
How Many versions of the Quran are there? - Explore Islam
Are There Different Versions Of Quran? In fact, those Qira'at are all authentic and traced all the way back to the Messenger Muhammad (PBUH).
According to Dr. Nazir Khan and Ammar Khatib:
‘Qur’anic words can be divided into two categories: those that can be recited in only one way; and those that can be recited in multiple ways.’ (‘The Origins of the Variant Readings of the Qur’an.’)
Words that can be recited in multiple ways constitute just 0.9% of the Qur’anic text, and constitute the basis of the qirāʾāt. (cf. Oxford Journal of Islamic Studies; number 23; 2012).
There are seven authoritative schools of qira'at.
Each qira'at is named after an early reciter; famous for teaching that particular style. Those who have mastered a given style – and who have received a license to teach (‘ijāzah’) – become part of the unbroken chain of transmission of that style back to the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam).
The most popular style of recitation today is that of ʿĀṣim ibn Abī al-Najūd (700 – 745) through his student (and son-in-law) Abū ‘Amr Ḥafs ibn Sulaymān (706 – 796) – see Aishah Bewley’s: ‘The Seven Qira’at of the Qur’an).
Born in Baghdad, Ḥafs moved to Mecca, where he popularised al-Najūd's qirāʾā.
This qirāʾā became the official style of Egypt in 1923, in the reign of Fuad I (1868-1936).
Other qirāʾāt continue to be recited; for example, that of Abu Saʿid Uthman Ibn Saʿid al-Qutbi , better known under the name of Warsh (728 – 812); a pupil of Nāfiʿ b. ʿAbd al-Raḥmān. This qirāʾā remains the dominant style in many regions of North Africa.
Note: All of the accepted qirāʾāt must follow three basic rules:
a) Conformity to the consonantal skeleton of the ʿUthmānic script.
b) Consistency with Arabic grammar.
c) Authentic chain of transmission.
An example of the differences between two qira'a can be seen in the sūrah ‘Al-Fatiha’ (‘The Opening’):
‘In the name of Allāh, the Lord of Mercy, the Giver of Mercy! Praise belongs to Allāh, Lord of the Worlds, the Lord of Mercy, the Giver of Mercy, Master (māliki ) of the Day of Judgement. It is You we worship; it is You we ask for help. Guide us to the straight path (l-ṣirāṭa): the path of those You have blessed, those who incur no anger and who have not gone astray.’
Some qira’at recite ‘māliki ’ with a long ‘a’ (as in the planet ‘Mars’); while others say ‘maliki ’, with a short ‘a’ (as in ‘cat’). In every case, the meaning (‘Master’) is the same.
The word ‘l-ṣirāṭa’ can also be rendered ‘as-sirata’. Again, both pronunciations have the same meaning of ‘path’ or ‘way’.
In the time of ʿUthmān the order of sūrahs (and of the ʾāyāt within each sūrah) had been fixed, but differences in ‘qira’at ’ had become a problem. There were disputes about the correct manner of recitation.
Certain tribes boasted that their method of recitation was better than others!
ʿUthmān’s solution was to borrow the Qur’an of Abū Bakr (then in the possession of Hafṣah bint ʿUmar; a wife of the Prophet, and ‘Mother of the Believers’). He then ordered four Companions – among them Zaid bin Thabit – to reproduce the entire script in perfect copies. This they did.
According to some reports, Kufa, Basra and Syria each received a finished copy of the Qur’an; with one being sent to Madinah. Other reports add Mecca, Yemen and Bahrain. It is also said that ʿUthmān retained a copy for himself.
It must be noted that no copy was sent without a qāri (a ‘reciter’), whose task it was to recite the Qur’an in the manner he had learned through authenticated, multiple channels going back to the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam): ‘insofar as these channels lay in complete agreement with each other and (conformed with) the Qur’an’s consonantal skeleton’ (Al-Azami: ‘The History of the Qur’anic Text).
How best to understand the Quran?
Muhammad Abdel Haleem OBE, Professor of Islamic Studies at the School of Oriental and African Studies in London, writes
‘A most relevant and fruitful approach to understanding the text of the Qur’an is by means of two key concepts developed by Muslim scholars in the Classical period: context and internal relationships.
‘The importance of context (maqām) was recognised and formulated for the study of the text of the Qur’an by Muslim linguists whose work in this respect anticipated by many centuries modern linguistic thinking about the crucial importance of context in understanding discourse. Internal relationships were encapsulated in the dictum: al-Qur’an yufassir ba‘ḍuhu ba‘ḍa (some parts of the Qur’an explain others) – in modern linguistic terms ‘intertextuality’ – which, given the structure of Qur’anic material, was argued to provide the most correct method of understanding the Qur’an.’ (‘Understanding the Qur’an – Themes and Style’).
Blessings.
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Cultural differences.
Shall we come down on the ancient Jews now and accuse them of pedophilia?
12-year-old-females / 13-year-old males marrying. Okay or not okay in the Bible?
Concerning the Prophet’s marriage to Aisha:
The Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam)’s first (and only) wife for twenty-five years was Khadija bint Khuwaylid (Radi Allahu ‘anha). She was a successful businesswoman in her own right, and Muhammad’s employer before their marriage.
Khadija proposed to Muhammad when he was 25 years old. She was fifteen years his senior. They had six to eight children (the precise number is disputed).
Khadija died in November 619 CE.
ʿĀʾishah’s father was Abu Bakr Abdullah ibn Uthman Abi Quhafa, one of the first converts to Islam, and one of the prophet’s closest companions. Following the latter’s death in death in 632, Abu Bakr became the first of the ‘Rashidun’ (the ‘Rightly Guided’ Caliphs).
Two years after the death of Khadija, the Prophet was living alone with three of his daughters. He was approach by Khawlah bint Hakim, who asked if he wished to re-marry. This meeting took place in late 621 CE.
Khawlah suggested two options; ʿĀʾishah, and Sawdah bint Zam’a, a widow, whose husband had died after their migration to Abyssinia – to escape persecution at the hands of the Quraysh of Mecca.
At Mohammad’s request, Khawla first approached Sawdah bint Zam’a and her family. Sawdah agreed to the marriage, but her family objected.
Khawlah then approached Abu Bakr.
Abu Bakr agreed to this marriage, and so ʿĀʾishah and Muhammad became engaged. This was in 622 CE.
They were married some two years later.
In Islam, marriage is a legal contract between a man and a woman. The marriage is invalid without the freely-given consent of both parties; regardless of their social status.
Consent cannot be obtained from those who are legally unable to give it, such as those who, for various reasons, are incapable of sound judgement
Shaykh Seyyed Hossein Nasr defines ‘sound judgement’ as:
‘Possession of a correctly functioning rational faculty, a healthy and upstanding character, an understanding of how to manage property, and sound religion to the degree that one no longer requires custodial care.’ (‘The Study Quran: A New Translation and Commentary).
Under the marriage contract, the husband has sole financial responsibility for the welfare and maintenance of his family. He must meet their every need. His wife – no matter how great her personal wealth – is not obliged to spend so much as a dime (or its equivalent) upon her husband or children. She may own property and assets in her own right, and her husband has no claim to any of this, save by her freely given consent.
By the way, this is why – under Islamic inheritance laws – a husband inherits twice as much as his wife. His financial obligations are so much greater than hers.
A wife is expected to manage the financial affairs of her family; to ensure that the income provided by her husband is not wasted.
ʿĀʾishah had a sister (Asmā') who died around 695 CE, at the age of 100. (cf. Ibn Hajar Al Asqalani’s: ‘Taqreeb al-Tehzeeb’).
Al Asqalani’s narrative is supported by Abdurrahman bin Ebi Zinad el-Medeni’; Ibn Hajar; and Ibn Kathir.
At the time of the Hijri (622 CE), Asmā' was 27 years old. She was 10 years older than ʿĀʾishah. This means that ʿĀʾishah was 17 at the time of the Hijri; and 19 or 20 at the time of her marriage to Muhammad.
I hope you will agree that a young woman of 19 or 20 is more likely to satisfy the requirements of an Islamic contract of marriage than a child of 6 or 9.
Blessings.
A six year old isn't able to give consent as she has no understanding of what marriage is.
When Mohammad saw Aisha crawling on the floor as a baby, he said he wanted to marry her.
Your own Islamic sources say she was six years old at the time of marriage and nine at the time of Mohammad basically raping her.
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