Bible Salesman

[Gary Mac]

Being a bible salesman as most try and be by their own ideas and rules about it, does not save the world.

Being who the Bible says you should be, and would be if you actually received as Jesus did from God and do as Jesus did in God, does save.

Are you that same savior, example of God as Jesus was of, the God who is the One who does the saving? Can you lead the world to the one Jesus tried to lead you to who saved him from the laws of the Jews?

Can you lead these from the laws of the Catholics, Mormons, Baptists, Muslims, LDS, AOGs, COCs, to the God who does the saving as He did in Jesus from the laws of that denomination that he was rabbi of before Matt 3:16?

Has Jesus even lead any here to Gods salvation, the One who saved Jesus from the laws of that creed to become like Him instead of the laws for a creed?

 

[amigo de christo]

God didnt have to save HIS WORD from anything .
HE SENT the WORD TO DO THE SAVING and that all who do beleive IN JESUS THE CHRIST
would be saved . As if GOD saved JESUS from the laws of that creed . YOu been duped big time friend . Big time .

 

[ScottA]

Jesus, the Word, "was God."

 

[ScottA]

I do like the Bible Salesman analogy though. That is a good reminder to freely give what has been given to us...of which there is only one real exception: 5 out of 10 need to buy oil.

 

[Gary Mac]

God didnt have to save HIS WORD from anything .

Amen, agreed totally. Only place within man which is His salvation.

HE SENT the WORD TO DO THE SAVING and that all who do beleive IN JESUS THE CHRIST

Yes and just as with Jesus we receive the same word from God Himself as Jesus did in Matt 3:16. And believing in Jesus Christ doesnt save you at all, the dvil himself believed in Jesus Christ and knew him well, that doest mean he followed Jesus to the God who saved him from the laws of the Jews.

would be saved . As if GOD saved JESUS from the laws of that creed . YOu been duped big time friend . Big time .

Well if God Himself who came to Jesus and opened in came to me me the very same as He did in Jesus, then I guess I have been duped into receiving the same God as Jesus did and said you should to. Jesus even prayed to that God that you count as duped into, that God would be in you and you would be in God as one as Jesus was in God and God was in him as one in John 17.

Maybe you should have been duped by God yourself into the very as Jesus and I were? Perhaps you are a little mix up who is actually doing the duping? Maybe Paul? He was very clear that he used trickery to dupe people into following him in his doctrine instead of God Himself be your mind, Spirit?

 

[ProDeo]

Yes and just as with Jesus we receive the same word from God Himself as Jesus did in Matt 3:16. And believing in Jesus Christ doesnt save you at all, the dvil himself believed in Jesus Christ and knew him well, that doest mean he followed Jesus to the God who saved him from the laws of the Jews.

In the other thread (now rightly closed) I asked you a simple question :

Do you think Jesus before Matt 3:16 was a sinner like us?

And your shocking answer : Depends on how you look at it.

Of course the answer is NO.

Basic Christianity.

How can Jesus being the needed blameless sacrificial Lamb to take away (pay for) your sins and the sins of the world on the cross, be sinful?

Impossible.

 

[Gary Mac]

In the other thread (now rightly closed) I asked you a simple question :

And that also depended on how the moderator looked at it. From the eye of God who is Love, or me as a sinner with God same Spirit of Love as my disposition, by not understanding the intent just as those of Jesus day didnt understand his intent.

And your shocking answer : Depends on how you look at it.

Well, from what I see of one view of him -- the Jews saw Jesus as a sinner blasphemer did they not? That is one view the way I see it

One another view some saw Jesus without sin the way I see it.

SO you tell me, if it doesnt matter how one looks at it? Those who looked at him as a blasphemer, a sinner gainst their rules and they didnt look at from their perspective, they had him crucified for nothing?

Of course the answer is NO.

Basic Christianity.

How can Jesus being the needed blameless sacrificial Lamb to take away (pay for) your sins and the sins of the world on the cross, be sinful?

Ask the Jews that question.

Jesus didnt pay for your sins at all, he paid the price because of your sins.

Impossible.

Impossible only if you do not have the same perfections in you. Be ye therefore perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect, Matt 5:48, is not a request, it is a commandment, it is to be without sin. Cant be of God and be a sinner. 1 John 3:9.
If you are a sinner then you are of 1 John :8, it tells clearly who both of us are, as for me I am born of God just as Jesus was as all of Gods children are.

If you say that you follow Jesus yet a sinner, -- you dont follow Jesus in his ways for righteousness at all.

 

[David Lamb]

Being a bible salesman as most try and be by their own ideas and rules about it, does not save the world.

Being who the Bible says you should be, and would be if you actually received as Jesus did from God and do as Jesus did in God, does save.

Are you that same savior, example of God as Jesus was of, the God who is the One who does the saving? Can you lead the world to the one Jesus tried to lead you to who saved him from the laws of the Jews?

Can you lead these from the laws of the Catholics, Mormons, Baptists, Muslims, LDS, AOGs, COCs, to the God who does the saving as He did in Jesus from the laws of that denomination that he was rabbi of before Matt 3:16?

Has Jesus even lead any here to Gods salvation, the One who saved Jesus from the laws of that creed to become like Him instead of the laws for a creed?

You seem to suggest that Jesus Himself needed saving. Saving from what? The bible teaches that He was without sin:

“For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all [points] tempted as [we are, yet] without sin.” (Heb 4:15 NKJV)

 

[Gary Mac]

You seem to suggest that Jesus Himself needed saving.

Oh NO'not at all, it is very clear in Matt 3:16 that God came to Jesus by the Spirit that He is and opens up all of who He is and all of His heaven in Jesus. Which is Gods salvation in us all who He is manifest in. You cant know Him at all unless you have received the same from God Himself, not Even Jesus could escape that fact proven in Matt 3:16. Sadly not very many Matt 3:16 at all.

Jesus referred to his renewing of mind by God Himself as born again, and ye must have that same knowledge from God if you are to walk in Gods salvation that only He can put within you.

Saving from what?

Mans laws for a god, saved Jesus from the laws of the Jews that Jesus taught as rabbi even from a young age to actually meeting God Himself just as we all do experience Gods same salvation to be like Himm instead of the laws of some denominational rulles.

The bible teaches that He was without sin:

And so does it in all who is born of God with that same renewing of mind that Jesus received in Matt 3:16, born again. And we who are born of God as Jesus was it is impossible to be in sin, cannot sin because we are born of God. 1 John 3:9.

“For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses,

Amen God is our source not a priest or any man, God Himself gives the increase not man.

but was in all [points] tempted as [we are, yet] without sin.” (Heb 4:15 NKJV)

We who are born of God are without sin. God takes away the sins of this world. 1 John 3. And when you see Him as He is as Jesus did in Matt 3:16 ye shall be like Him as well. 1 John 3;2.

Are you only making excuse to be a sinner instead of Gods righteous? You cant be of Christ at all and be a sinner, that is impossible for Christ is Gods anointing of His same Spirit of mind, knowledge, be in you, Christ in you.

You havent met God as Jesus did have you?

 

[Gary Mac]

It is better to find out the truth from God Himself than what someone else's says about it from their own perspectives, ideas about it. God Himself is the only One who can open in you who He really is and not Even Jesus could escape that fact for he had to receive from God Himself in order to know Gods Heaven, proven in Matt 3:16, and Jesus was very clear where Gods kingdom in which He lives in Luke 17:20-21, the kingdom of God does not come with observation, it isnt a place that you go to someday and observe, it is within you, in your midst, mid, middle of you, or is supposed to be.

Not very many follow the ways of Jesus in the Father at all, yet they claim to follow Jesus then flat out deny the God be in them that was in Jesus was sent by God to show us the way to his God.

And here is what Jesus had to say about that himself and his God that he obeyed, prayed to, and called Farther. And if the same below in what Jesus said of himself and his God does not apply to you, then you do not follow the ways of Jesus in the Father at all and flat out deny the God that Jesus was sent by to show you the way to Him.

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.


John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.


John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”


John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.


John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you


John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.


John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.


John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.


John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?


John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

 

[ProDeo]

One another view some saw Jesus without sin the way I see it.

Glad we agree on that.

Now I assume your spiritual insight is good and based on that I have a rhetoric question for you -

How can it be a human can remain sinless ?

 

[David Lamb]

Oh NO'not at all, it is very clear in Matt 3:16 that God came to Jesus by the Spirit that He is and opens up all of who He is and all of His heaven in Jesus. Which is Gods salvation in us all who He is manifest in. You cant know Him at all unless you have received the same from God Himself, not Even Jesus could escape that fact proven in Matt 3:16. Sadly not very many Matt 3:16 at all.

You seem to be assuming that Jesus Christ is not fully God. Even His enemies recognised that He claimed equality with His Father. Was He lying when He did so? I still don't know what you imagine Jesus had to escape from.

Jesus referred to his renewing of mind by God Himself as born again, and ye must have that same knowledge from God if you are to walk in Gods salvation that only He can put within you.

Where did Jesus refer to the renewing of His mind as being born again? As far as I can see, Jesus only spoke of being born again in two verses:

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:7 Do not marvel that I said to you, You must be born again.

He never used the words "born again" with reference to Himself.

Mans laws for a god, saved Jesus from the laws of the Jews that Jesus taught as rabbi even from a young age to actually meeting God Himself just as we all do experience Gods same salvation to be like Himm instead of the laws of some denominational rulles.

What does "Moses laws for a god" mean? The laws God gave through Moses were for mankind, not for a god.

And so does it in all who is born of God with that same renewing of mind that Jesus received in Matt 3:16, born again. And we who are born of God as Jesus was it is impossible to be in sin, cannot sin because we are born of God. 1 John 3:9.

Jesus was baptised in Matthew 3:16. He was not born again.

Amen God is our source not a priest or any man, God Himself gives the increase not man.

We who are born of God are without sin. God takes away the sins of this world. 1 John 3. And when you see Him as He is as Jesus did in Matt 3:16 ye shall be like Him as well. 1 John 3;2.

In this life, we are never totally sinless. Paul wrote about the "old man". He also said that he found himself doing the things that he knew were wrong, and he wrote:

“22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?” (Ro 7:22-24 NKJV)

Are you only making excuse to be a sinner instead of Gods righteous? You cant be of Christ at all and be a sinner, that is impossible for Christ is Gods anointing of His same Spirit of mind, knowledge, be in you, Christ in you.

You havent met God as Jesus did have you?

No I am not making excuses. I know that I am a sinner saved by God's grace, and that when God looks at me, He sees, not my sin, or my righteousness, which Scripture says is like filthy rags, but the perfect righteousness of Jesus Christ.