The BOC is not the bride the New Jerusalem is............................[Rev 21:9-10 KJV] 9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
IS THE RAPTURE FOUND IN THE OLD TESTAMENT?
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Those specific words arent in scripture but Jesus said the kingdom was at hand but it didnt happen yet but it was prophesized to come
Jesus said it will come and some of the people standing around Him will be still alive. He said nothing about postponing it for 2,000 years...
Any sort of futurism/dispensationalism etc. is something foreign to the New Testament eschatology.
David in NJ
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David in NJ
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More great questions!!! = thank you
Have to run to Home Depot and when i get back will share Scripture that has the answer for us.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Can't be any clearer!
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Can't be any clearer!
[Mat 16:28 KJV] 28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Jesus said THEY will see. He was not saying those at that time standing there would see his return, He was saying a future group would see it.
It starts when our old husband dies. When the old husband dies, we are free to marry Jesus.
The new man is formed in us by intimately knowing our husband Jesus Christ. It’s all laid out here:
Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
The lamb's bride is found here.................[Rev 21:9-10 KJV] 9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,..........................it's the city new Jerusalem
I do not know what you mean. The "they" refers to "some standing here". No future group.
If you want it formulated differently, then try this:
"Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes."
Mt 10:23
or:
This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
Lk 21:31
or:
"I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven"
Mt 26:64
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I completely agree that that’s the bride. The city is heavenly Jerusalem which is the people of God as Jesus pointed out here:
Mrk 3:33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
Mrk 3:34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Mrk 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
I’ve noticed that futurists are not familiar with Psalm 18 where most of the details of Matthew 24 are given.
I do not know... psalms are poetic and it is almost impossible to agree on what they could mean. But the New Testament itself is quite clear regarding the end times, so we do not need any interpretation, luckily.
David in NJ
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I mean he was not telling those standing there at that time that they would not die til they would see His coming into his kingdom, He was referring to a future group that will fulfill it.
David in NJ
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Before i share scripture, would you dwell on this = Isaiah 45:1-2
“Thus says the Lord to His anointed,
To Cyrus, whose right hand I have held—
To subdue nations before him
And loose the armor of kings,
To open before him the double doors,
So that the gates will not be shut:
‘I will go before you
And make the crooked places straight;
I will break in pieces the gates of bronze
And cut the bars of iron.
The LORD went before Israel in the Wilderness to Lead Her.
Same LORD = JOHN 14:1-6
“Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. And where I go you know, and the way you know.”
Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?”
Jesus said to him, “I am the Way....I go before you"
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I dont know why you selected this verse
Scripture doesnt say they did go to all cities
They propbably didnt go to all cities and Christ hasnt returned yet either
This generation isnt referring to that present generation at the time Jesus was on earth
The future generation that sees all those things will not pass away
