Is it possible to lose salvation?

[pandaflower]

He spoke parables so that seeing they may not see. and hearing they may not here.

He already told these people they did not believe. So he told the parable.. Eat my flesh..

it worked. they left.. (they saw and did not believe, they heard and did not believe

He told them,us,that unless the Father intercedes ,we cannot understand.

Which comports with the identity of those whom God refers to as his Elect.

 

[Marymog]

Jesus was addressing the Jews here who thought that Jesus was talking about literally eating His flesh and literally drinking His blood (cannibalism). The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?” (John 6:50)

John 6:61 - When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. Again, as Jesus was accustomed, He used figurative language to emphasize these spiritual truths.

I already thoroughly covered this in post #2,450. Once again, bread represents the "staff of life." Sustenance. That which essential to sustain life. Just as bread or sustenance is necessary to maintain physical life, Jesus is all the sustenance necessary for spiritual life. The source of physical life is blood -- "life is in the blood." As with the bread, just as blood is the empowering or source of life physically, Jesus is all the source of spiritual life necessary.

Hey mailmaddan,

Paul asked this question 30 years after the crucifixion of Christ: The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? The context of that question is that he was talking about the bread and wine the Christians shared in remembrance of Him when they gathered daily! What is your answer to Paul's question?

Also, in John 6 Jesus is telling us that we must eat/drink Him. Those that left Him because they couldn't imagine eating him should have stuck around because he then showed them how to eat/drink him via bread/wine at the Last Supper. So Jesus told us that we must eat/drink him and then he showed us how to do it.

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

Bread represents the "staff of life." Sustenance. That which essential to sustain life. Just as bread or sustenance is necessary to maintain physical life, Jesus is all the sustenance necessary for spiritual life.

The source of physical life is blood -- "life is in the blood." As with the bread, just as blood is the empowering or source of life physically, Jesus is all the source of spiritual life necessary.

Nope. Not true. Several months AFTER Jesus spoke those words in John 6 that we must eat and drink him he held up bread/wine and SHOWED them how to eat/drink Him.

He TOLD them what to do in John 6 (eat/drink me) and then he SHOWED them how to do it at The Last Supper; "this IS my body/blood".

If you look back at the earliest Christian writings on this matter you will see that his FACT has been taught for 2,000 years. The teaching you are repeating has only been taught for 500 years

Mary

 

[Marymog]

Interpretations from Classical Commentaries​

Matthew Henry​

• Sees the discourse as a figurative one: Jesus uses the imagery of eating and drinking to represent faith, showing how believers spiritually partake of Christ's life and sacrifice Good Books FreeBlue Letter Bible.
• The “flesh and blood” symbolize Christ incarnate and crucified—His life offered for the salvation of the world. Belief in Him is akin to spiritual nourishment, offering pardon, grace, and eternal life Good Books FreeBlue Letter Bible.

J. C. Ryle​

• Emphasizes that the eating and drinking of Christ's body and blood are not literal but spiritual acts of faith. The sacrament (Lord’s Supper) is not the same as this spiritual feeding Truth According to Scripture.

Barnes’ Notes (via BibleHub)​

• Confirms that “flesh and blood” point to Christ's human nature assumed for our redemption, and eating/drinking in this context is a metaphor for believing in Him and His atoning work Bible Hub+1.

Clarke’s Commentary​

• “Eating” Christ’s flesh and “drinking” His blood means becoming participants in the benefits of His atonement—receiving grace and communion with Christ—not the sacrament itself StudyLight.org.

Enduring Word Commentary​

• Highlights how Jesus intentionally used strong symbolic language to confront misunderstandings, urging that unless people inwardly receive His sacrifice by faith, they cannot have eternal life Enduring Word.

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Modern Explanations & Apologetics​

• GotQuestions.org and When Critics Ask argue strongly that the context shows Jesus speaking symbolically, pointing to spiritual rather than physical consumption of His flesh and blood. They highlight verses like “the words I speak to you are spirit, and they are life” (John 6:63) to show this BibliaPlusGotQuestions.org.

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Historical and Theological Context​

• Zwingli (Reformer): Stressed a symbolic interpretation of this passage, rejecting both transubstantiation and any physical reading as incompatible with Scripture’s spiritual emphasis Wikipedia.
• Reformed tradition (Calvin, Vermigli): Affirmed a spiritual presence in communion—not merely symbolic, but also rejecting physical transformation of bread and wine into Christ’s body and blood Wikipedia+1.

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Summary Table​

Source / School	Interpretation of “Eat His Flesh & Drink His Blood”
Matthew Henry	Figurative—faith as spiritual eating/drinking
J. C. Ryle	Non-literal, spiritual feeding through belief
Barnes / Clarke	Participation in Christ's atoning benefits by faith
Enduring Word	Radical metaphor for receiving salvation inwardly
GotQuestions / Apologists	Metaphorical, based on spiritual life context
Zwingli / Reformed	Symbolic or spiritual—denies physical transformation

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These interpretations align: Jesus' words in John 6 should be understood as describing spiritual union with Him through faith, not advocating a physical or literal consumption. Though various traditions may nuance the nature of Christ's presence in communion differently, the repeated consensus among many theologians—both classical and modern—is that John 6’s imagery is spiritual, not literal.

case closed!

Lol...Case closed??

You quote men who lived roughly 500 years ago, and you accept their interpretation (writings) of Scripture. Would you accept the writings of men who lived 2,000 years ago?

Ignatius of Antioch, who was a student of the Apostle John wrote, “Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2–7:1 [A.D. 110]).​

Who is more believable? The men you quoted who lived 500 years ago or less OR a student of an Apostle?

I look forward to your response.........Mary

 

[LoveYeshua]

Lol...Case closed??

You quote men who lived roughly 500 years ago, and you accept their interpretation (writings) of Scripture. Would you accept the writings of men who lived 2,000 years ago?

Ignatius of Antioch, who was a student of the Apostle John wrote, “Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2–7:1 [A.D. 110]).​

Who is more believable? The men you quoted who lived 500 years ago or less OR a student of an Apostle?

I look forward to your response.........Mary

case closed means people do not have to literally eat the body of Christ and drink his blood it was the last part of a series of post i did ( you probably missed them all you came in late but im glad you did) I use some commentaries so people see also that john 6 is meant as figurative and not literal. but I rarely use them, I go for the truth in all things the word of Christ who explained clearly that it was not literal. I did not amalize each commentaries just put them there as you see they are a snare and a trap and dis nothing for the truth.

I even started a new thread on this so people would gp there and leave this thread alone on this crasyness of physically eating and drinking Christ's blood but people continue to ignore the O.P. it was derailed and continues to be.

 

[mailmandan]

Hey mailmaddan,

Paul asked this question 30 years after the crucifixion of Christ: The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? The context of that question is that he was talking about the bread and wine the Christians shared in remembrance of Him when they gathered daily! What is your answer to Paul's question?

Also, in John 6 Jesus is telling us that we must eat/drink Him. Those that left Him because they couldn't imagine eating him should have stuck around because he then showed them how to eat/drink him via bread/wine at the Last Supper. So Jesus told us that we must eat/drink him and then he showed us how to do it.

Curious Mary

Communion is in regard to fellowship and joint participation of the bread and wine which are consumed as memorials of Christ's death which are symbolic for the realization of a spiritual union between Christ and believers. Again, the literal interpretation eating flesh and drinking blood (cannibalism) is ridiculous! Through faith we partake of Christ, the benefits of His bodily sacrifice on the cross and shed blood, receiving eternal life. Eating and drinking is not literal cannibalism here, but the receiving of God’s grace by believing in Christ for salvation, as Jesus makes clear by repeating the same truths below:

John 6:40 - Everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:54 - Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:47 - Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.
John 6:58 - He who eats this bread will live forever.

"He who believes" and "he who eats this bread and drinks My blood" ends in the same result, receiving eternal life. Jesus is the Bread of Life and just as bread nourishes our physical bodies, Jesus gives and sustains eternal life to all believers. In John 6:35, we read - "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst." Jesus is using figurative language to emphasize these spiritual truths. Jesus explains the sense of this passage when He says in John 6:63 - "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life."

These Jews who left in John 6 failed to understand the spiritual truth behind Jesus' illustration and see its spiritual significance. The Mosiac law prohibited drinking blood or eating meat with blood still in it. (Leviticus 17:10-14; Deuteronomy 12:16; Acts 15:29) These Jews who were unable to go beyond the physical perspective of literal "cannibalism" were perplexed and offended. John 6:63 went over their heads too.

 

[mailmandan]

Nope. Not true. Several months AFTER Jesus spoke those words in John 6 that we must eat and drink him he held up bread/wine and SHOWED them how to eat/drink Him.

He TOLD them what to do in John 6 (eat/drink me) and then he SHOWED them how to do it at The Last Supper; "this IS my body/blood".

If you look back at the earliest Christian writings on this matter you will see that his FACT has been taught for 2,000 years. The teaching you are repeating has only been taught for 500 years

Mary

My teaching comes from the Bible which is more than 500 years old. The RCC has not cornered the market on the truth. John 6:47 - Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. Believes in the Savior God and not the wafer god. I don't put a lot of stock into early church writings. False teachings were creeping into the church while the scriptures were still being written. God promised to preserve His Word but not fallible writings from fallible men. Some church fathers believed in the physical presence of Christ in the Eucharist; others considered the elements as signs of the body and blood of Christ, and that His presence is spiritual, so save me the sales pitch.

Whether Jesus was speaking literally or metaphorically, as He often did, can be determined from the text itself. A comparison between the following two parallel verses points to the correct interpretation. Jesus explains how we eat His flesh and drink His blood.

"Everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him at the last day." (v40)
"Whoever eats my flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." (v54)
​

Who are those who "have eternal life?" Who are those whom Christ will raise up at the last day? Only those who eat His flesh and drink his blood (John 6:54). But how can a person eat his flesh and drink his blood? The Lord explains that it is by seeing the Son and believing in Him (6:40). Our souls are nourished by God’s grace when we believe in the Lord Jesus unto salvation. Praise God!

​

Yet the Jews would not believe in Him for salvation, even though they had seen the miracles. “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst (6:36). “But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe” (6:35-36). Just as the Passover meal was a reminder of God's deliverance of His people (the Israelites) from the slavery in Egypt, even so the Lord's Supper shows the story of our redemption from the slavery of sin by the sacrifice of Christ. Bread and wine are appropriate symbols to remind us of His crucified body and the blood shed on the cross at Calvary. False religion turns symbols of salvation into the substance and the source.

When Jesus said, “This is my body,” He was physically present with the disciples. They could see, hear and touch him and John was actually leaning on His bosom. So, when Jesus took bread and said, “This is my body,” it was only natural for the apostles to understand that the bread was the symbol of His body, rather than His actual body. The tangible proof that the bread did not become Jesus’ body, is the bodily, physical, substantial and material presence of the man Jesus Christ standing with the apostles. Similarly, when Jesus said, "This is my blood," Jesus added, "which is shed for you. Since the wine was never shed, it must represent the blood that was actually shed on the cross. It is impossible and ludicrous to interpret Jesus words as literal "cannibalism." ​

 

[Eternally Grateful]

still waiting on anyone to answer

Did Jesus lie when he made these statments?

Why do people take him literally when he makes the command. But deny everythign he said in the blue

think about it.

1. 3 times he said we will live forever and be assured he will (not might) raise us on the last day
2. 2 times he said essentially we will never be cast out. never be lost
3. He says you will never die. never hunger and never thirst
4. 6 times he says you will live forever.

and we are supposed to believe we must do the commands ALL the time continuously. yet NON of the results are even remotely assured?

Will anyone answer?


In black is the command

In blue is what the one who follows the command will receive


27 Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, ,

Command – Labor for this food that Jesus came to give

Result – The food will endure forever


33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

What is this food?

He who comes down from heaven

Result – Life is offered to the world


35: “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.

Jesus is the one who came down from heaven He is the bread of life

Command: Come to him –

Result. You will never hunger

Command – Believe

Result – Never thirst


36: the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.

Command – Come to me

Result – You will never be cast out


39: that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.

Fact – All who are given to God

Result – Will never be lost,
Result - will be raised on the last day


40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

Command – See and believe

Result – You will live forever (eternal life)
Result - you will be raised on the last day


47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

Command – Believe in him

Result – You will live forever (eternal life)


50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die.

Command – Eat the bread

Result – you will never die


51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever;

Command – Eat this bread

Result – Live forever



52: and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”

What is this bread? My life I give

Result – Life of the world


53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you.

Command – Fail to eat the flesh and blood (the bread)

Result – you have no life in you (your dead)


54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

Command – Eat my flesh and blood (the bread)

Result – You will live forever (eternal life)
Result - you will be raised on the last day


56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.

Command Eat my flesh and drink my blood

Result – You will abide in him, and he will abide in you. As he lives you will live also


57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me.

Command – Feed on him

Result – You will live


58: He who eats this bread will live forever.”.

Command – Eat this bread

Result – You will live forever


Jesus came to give life. He said whoever eats this bread (feeds on him ) will get life. So what is it that gives life?

Jesus answers this also

62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

• Jesus said he was the bread sent down from heave
• Jesus asked, what if you see him ascend back to heaven (which many of them would in the future after his death)
• The thing that gives life (the food, the bread, the flesh and blood) is given by the spirit.
• The food which gives life ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPEAKS as given by the spirit

I honestly do not see why people make this conversation so difficult

Jesus said do this, If you do this, i will give you that.

Its simple..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

My teaching comes from the Bible which is more than 500 years old. The RCC has not cornered the market on the truth. John 6:47 - Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. Believes in the Savior God and not the wafer god. I don't put a lot of stock into early church writings. False teachings were creeping into the church while the scriptures were still being written. God promised to preserve His Word but not fallible writings from fallible men. Some church fathers believed in the physical presence of Christ in the Eucharist; others considered the elements as signs of the body and blood of Christ, and that His presence is spiritual, so save me the sales pitch.

Whether Jesus was speaking literally or metaphorically, as He often did, can be determined from the text itself. A comparison between the following two parallel verses points to the correct interpretation. Jesus explains how we eat His flesh and drink His blood.

"Everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him at the last day." (v40)
"Whoever eats my flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." (v54)
​

Who are those who "have eternal life?" Who are those whom Christ will raise up at the last day? Only those who eat His flesh and drink his blood (John 6:54). But how can a person eat his flesh and drink his blood? The Lord explains that it is by seeing the Son and believing in Him (6:40). Our souls are nourished by God’s grace when we believe in the Lord Jesus unto salvation. Praise God!

​

Yet the Jews would not believe in Him for salvation, even though they had seen the miracles. “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst (6:36). “But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe” (6:35-36). Just as the Passover meal was a reminder of God's deliverance of His people (the Israelites) from the slavery in Egypt, even so the Lord's Supper shows the story of our redemption from the slavery of sin by the sacrifice of Christ. Bread and wine are appropriate symbols to remind us of His crucified body and the blood shed on the cross at Calvary. False religion turns symbols of salvation into the substance and the source.

When Jesus said, “This is my body,” He was physically present with the disciples. They could see, hear and touch him and John was actually leaning on His bosom. So, when Jesus took bread and said, “This is my body,” it was only natural for the apostles to understand that the bread was the symbol of His body, rather than His actual body. The tangible proof that the bread did not become Jesus’ body, is the bodily, physical, substantial and material presence of the man Jesus Christ standing with the apostles. Similarly, when Jesus said, "This is my blood," Jesus added, "which is shed for you. Since the wine was never shed, it must represent the blood that was actually shed on the cross. It is impossible and ludicrous to interpret Jesus words as literal "cannibalism." ​

I forgot she was even in this chatroom..lol Good luck

 

[Marymog]

My teaching comes from the Bible which is more than 500 years old.

Nope. Your teaching is 500 years old and comes from Protestant men who disagreed with The Church and it's 2,000 year teaching. Those Protestant men, the ones you blindly follow, even disagreed with each other. Some of those Protestant men accepted what Jesus said, this IS my body/blood, and some rejected Jesus words.....Just like you reject them.

Mary

 

[Marymog]

Communion is in regard to fellowship and joint participation of the bread and wine which are consumed as memorials of Christ's death which are symbolic for the realization of a spiritual union between Christ and believers. Again, the literal interpretation eating flesh and drinking blood (cannibalism) is ridiculous! Through faith we partake of Christ, the benefits of His bodily sacrifice on the cross and shed blood, receiving eternal life. Eating and drinking is not literal cannibalism here, but the receiving of God’s grace by believing in Christ for salvation, as Jesus makes clear by repeating the same truths below:

John 6:40 - Everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:54 - Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:47 - Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.
John 6:58 - He who eats this bread will live forever.

"He who believes" and "he who eats this bread and drinks My blood" ends in the same result, receiving eternal life. Jesus is the Bread of Life and just as bread nourishes our physical bodies, Jesus gives and sustains eternal life to all believers. In John 6:35, we read - "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst." Jesus is using figurative language to emphasize these spiritual truths. Jesus explains the sense of this passage when He says in John 6:63 - "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life."

These Jews who left in John 6 failed to understand the spiritual truth behind Jesus' illustration and see its spiritual significance. The Mosiac law prohibited drinking blood or eating meat with blood still in it. (Leviticus 17:10-14; Deuteronomy 12:16; Acts 15:29) These Jews who were unable to go beyond the physical perspective of literal "cannibalism" were perplexed and offended. John 6:63 went over their heads too.

One simple question. When you and your fellow Christians gather to participate in the bread and wine, like Jesus told us to do, and you partake of the bread/wine during this gathering do you repeat His words 'this IS my body/blood'? Or do you say this is a SYMBOL of His body/blood?

 

[Marymog]

case closed means people do not have to literally eat the body of Christ and drink his blood it was the last part of a series of post i did ( you probably missed them all you came in late but im glad you did) I use some commentaries so people see also that john 6 is meant as figurative and not literal. but I rarely use them, I go for the truth in all things the word of Christ who explained clearly that it was not literal. I did not amalize each commentaries just put them there as you see they are a snare and a trap and dis nothing for the truth.

I even started a new thread on this so people would gp there and leave this thread alone on this crasyness of physically eating and drinking Christ's blood but people continue to ignore the O.P. it was derailed and continues to be.

I look forward to your answer to my question:

Who is more believable? The men you quoted who lived 500 years ago or less OR a student of an Apostle?

 

[Marymog]

case closed means people do not have to literally eat the body of Christ and drink his blood

I believe Jesus: Luke 22:19-20 Do you?

I say YES to Paul: 1 Corinthians 10:16 Do you?

 

[Marymog]

I forgot she was even in this chatroom..lol Good luck

Good luck at what EG? Changing my mind on the 2,000-year teaching of Christianity? Ummmm....that will never happen. Unfortunately you and @mailmandan follow men, Protestant men, who changed their minds on the teachings of Christianity 500 years ago of which you and your ilk unfortunately follow to this day. Your men divided Christianity which is the opposite of what Jesus prayed for in John 17.

I say yes to Paul's questions in 1 Corinthians 10:16! Do you?

 

[nedsk]

My teaching comes from the Bible which is more than 500 years old. The RCC has not cornered the market on the truth. John 6:47 - Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. Believes in the Savior God and not the wafer god. I don't put a lot of stock into early church writings. False teachings were creeping into the church while the scriptures were still being written. God promised to preserve His Word but not fallible writings from fallible men. Some church fathers believed in the physical presence of Christ in the Eucharist; others considered the elements as signs of the body and blood of Christ, and that His presence is spiritual, so save me the sales pitch.

Whether Jesus was speaking literally or metaphorically, as He often did, can be determined from the text itself. A comparison between the following two parallel verses points to the correct interpretation. Jesus explains how we eat His flesh and drink His blood.

"Everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him at the last day." (v40)
"Whoever eats my flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." (v54)
​

Who are those who "have eternal life?" Who are those whom Christ will raise up at the last day? Only those who eat His flesh and drink his blood (John 6:54). But how can a person eat his flesh and drink his blood? The Lord explains that it is by seeing the Son and believing in Him (6:40). Our souls are nourished by God’s grace when we believe in the Lord Jesus unto salvation. Praise God!

​

Yet the Jews would not believe in Him for salvation, even though they had seen the miracles. “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst (6:36). “But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe” (6:35-36). Just as the Passover meal was a reminder of God's deliverance of His people (the Israelites) from the slavery in Egypt, even so the Lord's Supper shows the story of our redemption from the slavery of sin by the sacrifice of Christ. Bread and wine are appropriate symbols to remind us of His crucified body and the blood shed on the cross at Calvary. False religion turns symbols of salvation into the substance and the source.

When Jesus said, “This is my body,” He was physically present with the disciples. They could see, hear and touch him and John was actually leaning on His bosom. So, when Jesus took bread and said, “This is my body,” it was only natural for the apostles to understand that the bread was the symbol of His body, rather than His actual body. The tangible proof that the bread did not become Jesus’ body, is the bodily, physical, substantial and material presence of the man Jesus Christ standing with the apostles. Similarly, when Jesus said, "This is my blood," Jesus added, "which is shed for you. Since the wine was never shed, it must represent the blood that was actually shed on the cross. It is impossible and ludicrous to interpret Jesus words as literal "cannibalism." ​

No it doesn't.

Ignatius of Antioch, who was a student of the Apostle John wrote, “Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2–7:1 [A.D. 110]).​

Note the date. Show us evidence of anyone teaching what you claim from the same time period.

 

[LoveYeshua]

I believe Jesus: Luke 22:19-20 Do you?

I say YES to Paul: 1 Corinthians 10:16 Do you?

yes to both but figurative not literal as in eating flesh and drinking Blood of Christ like a few here believe.

 

[LoveYeshua]

I look forward to your answer to my question:

Who is more believable? The men you quoted who lived 500 years ago or less OR a student of an Apostle?

the apostles and Christ as i said many times all over my posts on all threads.

 

[nedsk]

yes to both but figurative not literal as in eating flesh and drinking Blood of Christ like a few here believe.

Thats not what Jesus said. I love how you people just ignore what Jesus said. You've been led to the gates of hell but you think you're good. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Show us evidence of anyone in the church who was teaching what you believe before the 1500s.

 

[nedsk]

the apostles and Christ as i said many times all over my posts on all threads.

You ignore Jesus. Show us evidence of anyone in the church teaching what you believe before the 1500s

 

[Marymog]

yes to both but figurative not literal as in eating flesh and drinking Blood of Christ like a few here believe.

Soooo let me see if understand you correctly. 2,000 years ago Jesus said this IS my body/blood and you say YES, it is, figuratively.

30 years later Paul then said it IS His body/blood and you say YES, it is, figuratively.

Neither of them said it was figurative, but you say it is!

That is your argument?

The Church and I and @nedsk agree with Jesus and say YES, it is your body/blood.

The Church and I and @nedsk agree with Paul and say YES, it is His body/blood.

Approximately 70 years after Paul said it is His body and blood a student of the Apostle John says it is His body/blood. 500 years ago your men declared that it isn't His body/blood so you listen to those men instead of Jesus, Paul and a student of John? That makes zero sense.

According to your logic I and The Church and @nedsk are wrong for agreeing with all of them, but you and your Protestant men are right for disagreeing with them?

Hmmmm.......This makes no sense.