Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Eternally Grateful]

Do you can't show any authoritative understanding of Scripture nor any evidence that what you believe existed before the 1500s. Thanks.

Let me try to help you

When someone posts the words of Christ. and then takes him literally in everything he said.. And lets the word interpret itself. that word is the authority of what is spoken.\

When someone like you. picks a few small words out of context. then refuses to even look at EVERYTHING jesus said. and when questioned. is totally unable to answer why Jesus made promises and does not keep them

YOU show YOU do not speak with authority.

I will give you one last try

jesus made these promises to ANYONE who ate this food which endures forever. the bread from heaven, His flesh and blood.



1. The food will endure forever (vs 27)
2. The food offers life to the world (Vs 33)
3. Whoever eats will never hunger or thirst (Vs 35)
4. Whoever eats will never be cast out (Vs 37)
5. Whoever eats will live forever (vs 40, 47, 51, 54, 58)
6. Whoever eats will never be lost - (Vs 39)
7. Whoever eats will be raised on the last day (vs 40, Vs 54)
8. Whoever eats will Not die (vs 50)
9. Whoever eats will Live or abide - (vs 56 - 57)

These are the literal words of Jesus.

Tell me why Jesus lied? Tell my why youi do not believe you will recieve any of these the moment you eat the food which endures forever.

speak with authority. or prove to me you have no authority or knowledge

 

[Eternally Grateful]

They seem to genuinely believe their position is the correct one even though for 1500 years the only ones who believed what they do were heretics. It's fascinating isn't it? That poster even told me I only focus on what Jesus said. What horror LOL. You can't make this stuff up.

The jews literally rejected the word o Jesus and had him crucified. because for 2000 years no one taught that the messiah would die a sinners death

You can;t make it up that Satan decieved a nation before christ, he would not do it again after christ.

He has done quite well..

 

[nedsk]

The jews literally rejected the word o Jesus and had him crucified. because for 2000 years no one taught that the messiah would die a sinners death

You can;t make it up that Satan decieved a nation before christ, he would not do it again after christ.

He has done quite well..

Now you're just rambling lol

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So you believe in losing your salvation, getting it back, losing it, getting it back, etc.etc. ad- nauseum.

If no one can pluck us out of His hands, how can you pluck youself out of His hands. Are you not a person?

when you believe in a works based system.. You have no other way to believe other than there are times you meet Gods standard. and times you do not..

you have failed to understand you at no point in your life ever met Gods standard..

 

[pandaflower]

Isn't it fascinating?

God's word is bound and printed for centuries. His word tells us we are sealed by his holy Spirit for all time. Saved,irrevocably by the will and grace of God.

That's God telling us this.

Now,here we believers in those words are and claiming,as some do, that it isn't true.


Who are those skeptics fooling when they claim to know Christ?
And then post here insisting he lied and we can lose what he died to give us?

Come on!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We can decide anytime to walk away. (The prodigal son) Gods mercy is endless and we can go and come back as often as we choose. God NEVER force us to stay.

so the prodigal son stopped being the son. He stopped having his fathers blood and DNA flow through him?

Poor Guy..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Now you're just rambling lol

Just stating facts.

You use the same excuse the jews used.

And think it will work for you?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Isn't it fascinating?

God's word is bound and printed for centuries. His word tells us we are sealed by his holy Spirit for all time. Saved,irrevocably by the will and grace of God.

That's God telling us this.

Now,here we believers in those words are and claiming,as some do, that it isn't true.


Who are those skeptics fooling when they claim to know Christ?
And then post here insisting he lied and we can lose what he died to give us?

Come on!

are they believers though?

Where is their faith?

In the God who saved them, or their church, or their own works and deeds?

 

[pandaflower]

are they believers though?

Where is their faith?

In the God who saved them, or their church, or their own works and deeds?

That's what I said, who are those skeptics fooling when they claim to know Christ?

They're God's teaching. And yet there are those who claim to know Jesus and have faith in him and then insist, being they claim to be Christians first, they're not really saved the way Jesus taught.

Does that sound right?

I don't believe they believe. I think they're here to insult the faith by insisting it isn't true. And how they do that is to claim to believe. So,they can get in the forums and then prove they don't.

 

[nedsk]

Just stating facts.

You use the same excuse the jews used.

And think it will work for you?

You have no excuse. Can you or can. You not show that your understanding of Scripture is the authoritative understanding? Yes or no? Can you show evidence that the church taught anywhere what you believe before the 1500s? Yes or no? Show proof of either and I will.hsventi reconsider my position otherwise you're just noise.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's what I said, who are those skeptics fooling when they claim to know Christ?

They're God's teaching. And yet there are those who claim to know Jesus and have faith in him and then insist, being they claim to be Christians first, they're not really saved the way Jesus taught.

Does that sound right?

I don't believe they believe. I think they're here to insult the faith by insisting it isn't true. And how they do that is to claim to believe. So,they can get in the forums and then prove they don't.

I believe it would be no different than jew adding circumcision to the gospel.

PS. Paul called anyone who think we begin in the spirit (faith) but must perfect in the flesh) works) fools.. (gal 3

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You have no excuse. Can you or can. You not show that your understanding of Scripture is the authoritative understanding? Yes or no? Can you show evidence that the church taught anywhere what you believe before the 1500s? Yes or no? Show proof of either and I will.hsventi reconsider my position otherwise you're just noise.

your the one who has refused multiple times to show me how the literal words of Jesus are not true.

so please stop. Your hurting yourself.. and your going to make it so no one listens to you..

Either show me why Jesus lied. or did not mean what he said. or move on.

I am sick of playing child games I graduated from high school in 42 years ago

 

[Marymog]

So you believe in losing your salvation, getting it back, losing it, getting it back, etc.etc. ad- nauseum.

If no one can pluck us out of His hands, how can you pluck youself out of His hands. Are you not a person?

Yes, I believe what Scripture teaches, and a person can lose their salvation and get it back ad-nauseum. God will forgive us 70x7 just like he asks us to forgive other 70x7. Apparantly you don't believe that?

Paul writes to the Christians (people who already believe) in Cornith, Do not be deceived (which means one can believe and then be deceived) ...... wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God. Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers—none of these will inherit the kingdom of God. If you stop being deceived, you will inherit the kingdom of God. If you start being deceived again, you will not inherit the kingdom of God. Now I would remind you, brothers and sisters, of the good news that I proclaimed to you, which you in turn received, in which also you stand, through which also you are being saved, IF you hold firmly to the message that I proclaimed to you—unless you have come to believe in vain. If anyone among you wanders from the truth and is brought back by another, you should know that whoever brings back a sinner from wandering will save the sinner’s soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

IF you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love....Which means you can keep his commandments and you will be saved however if you stop keeping his commandments you won't be saved. If you start keeping them again, you will be saved.

Jesus says that no one will be able to take us away from God. This means that no one is capable of removing you from the grace of God. No one is capable of nullifying your salvation. This is the same as saying that no one is capable of pulling you out of a car driving at eighty miles per hour. This does not mean that you are incapable of opening the door and jumping out. In the same way, John 10:28 does not mean that we are incapable of severing our relationship with God.

The answer to your question is YES, I am a person. I have free will. You do not seem to believe in free will.

Mary

 

[Marymog]

Well it wasn't the Roman church! And nowhere in Scripture does it say the church is the pillar and foundation of the truth. The foundation is the apostles and prophets with jesus being the chief cornerstone which the entire building is fitly framed.

That is where I got the truth from. Not a sectarian denomination.

Got it. You don't belong to a church. Scripture says to take our differences to the church and if one refuses to listen to the church they are to be kicked out of the church (Matthew 18). I guess since you have never became a member of the church you can never be kicked out of the church. You and I cannot fulfill Scripture and take our differences to a church of your choosing because you don't belong to a church. I have a church we can take our differences too......so there's that!

Yes, scripture does say that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth: I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Mary

 

[nedsk]

your the one who has refused multiple times to show me how the literal words of Jesus are not true.

so please stop. Your hurting yourself.. and your going to make it so no one listens to you..

Either show me why Jesus lied. or did not mean what he said. or move on.

I am sick of playing child games I graduated from high school in 42 years ago

You're argument is specious and based solely on your imagination. We need to continually receive Jesus in the Eucharist because we continue to sin which puts our salvation at risk. It separates us from God. You're wrong from top to bottom on this.

I've laid out for you what you need to do in order for me to take you seriously but you can't seem to do it. Either show your understanding of Scripture is the authoritative understanding OR show that anyone in the church taught what you believe before the 1500s.

Otherwise you're irrelevant and petulant. I don't make you respond to me which means you seem to like "playing games". If you have an emotional boo boo you should talk to someone about it.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You're argument is specious and based solely on your imagination. We need to continually receive Jesus in the Eucharist because we continue to sin which puts our salvation at risk. It separates us from God. You're wrong from top to bottom on this.

I've laid out for you what you need to do in order for me to take you seriously but you can't seem to do it. Either show your understanding of Scripture is the authoritative understanding OR show that anyone in the church taught what you believe before the 1500s.

Otherwise you're irrelevant and petulant. I don't make you respond to me which means you seem to like "playing games". If you have an emotional boo boo you should talk to someone about it.

lol.. I am not arguing, I am just posting ALL the words of God in john 6, and not just 6 f the words f God.

You accuse me of rejecting the word of God. Yet you will not even discuss it.

Again, You hurt yourself. The more you talk. The more you refuse to answer my questions about the words of Jesus in John 6. The more unbelievable you are.

and the more you prove you are spoon fed by men. And are following them, and not the word of God

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Salvation can be lost.

How is this even a topic of debate?

Pull out your Holy Bible and look into it.

Don’t listen to the flattery of men.

 

[pandaflower]

Salvation can be lost.

How is this even a topic of debate?

Pull out your Holy Bible and look into it.

Don’t listen to the flattery of men.

Really? Post the exact scripture where Jesus says the seal of the Holy Spirit will be lifted from the saved by our choice.

Book,chapter,verse.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Yes, scripture does say that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth: I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Mary

If we look at Jesus’ own words, He is very clear:
“I am the way, the truth, and the life.” (John 14:6)
“Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.” (John 17:17)
So the truth is first and foremost Jesus Himself and the Word of God. The church does not create truth, but when it is faithful to God, it should uphold and support the truth, like a pillar holds up a roof.
What I say is this: the truth belongs to God alone, and Jesus is the truth made flesh. The church, meaning those who follow Jesus, is called to live by that truth, to hold it high, and not to let it fall. But we must be careful not to think the church itself is the truth, or that it can change truth, because only God’s word stands forever.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Post the exact scripture where Jesus says the seal of the Holy Spirit will be lifted from the saved by our choice.

First, you post the exact scripture that says once you’re saved you are always saved.