Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Michiah-Imla]

Using this argument, King David or moses was not saved either.

They weren’t saved either, until:

“…the gospel [was] preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.” (1Pe 4:6, KJV)

 

[pandaflower]

you are the one who denies and twist the gospel of Christ, it is well known on this forum. No need to reply to me ever.

That doesn't work Wolf.

You've been obvious from the first post.

 

[pandaflower]

I did no such thing.

If you return to a life of willful sin and loose your salvation YOU FAILED, not Jesus.

Wow,you really should study what Christians know before joining our forum thinking you can make your way through.

That statement of yours above just proved you are not one of us.

 

[LoveYeshua]

@Eternally Grateful @pandaflower

In John 15:6, Jesus made it even clearer, saying;


"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."

I hope you get this message and you will let sink in. this is a very serious matter our salvation depends on this to Abide IN Christ.

There is more info in the O.P if you bother to read it and have legitimate questions and remain polite I may answer. but it us unlikely. Still, I wish yo well.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Wow,you really should study what Christians know before joining our forum thinking you can make your way through.

I presented scripture after scripture proving your error.

Go read your Holy Bible my friend…

 

[pandaflower]

Why feign shock? You and your mirror, contempt for Yeshua, are here trying to disrupt our peace by pushing the lie tat insist Salvation isn't what Jesus taught.

You're both shocked you are transparent in your efforts and false face? Wait till you answer to God for every word where you both labored to call him a liar.

Laugh at that.

 

[pandaflower]

@Eternally Grateful @pandaflower

In John 15:6, Jesus made it even clearer, saying;


"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."

I hope you get this message and you will let sink in. this is a very serious matter our salvation depends on this to Abide IN Christ.

There is more info in the O.P if you bother to read it and have legitimate questions and remain polite I may answer. but it us unlikely. Still, I wish yo well.

More proof you don't know what you're talking about.

Those who are sealed eternally irrevocably abide in Christ.

Those who are not in Christ do not.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

You and your mirror, contempt for Yeshua, are here trying to disrupt our peace by pushing the lie tat insist Salvation isn't what Jesus taught.

Not so.

But I certainly insist that the Salvation that many men teach, called Once Saved Always Saved, isn’t what Jesus taught…

 

[nedsk]

why do you not?

we post Jesus words. it is there for ANYONE to see

We read what he said.

We then determine if what he said is true or if it is not.

According to you. Jesus lied.

I do not get why YOU fail to see this??

lol.. And? There were false teachers in the church while the word was still being written.

Look at the disciples who left Jesus and had him crucified.

Just because someone with with someone does nto mean they hold to that persons doctrines.

again, you use an illogical fallacy yet are totally unable to see the flaws in your own teachings. as shown by the fact you can not answer my questions.. and tell me why Jesus lied?

You're struggling with accepting a concept here skippy.

I have a choice to make. I can listen to you, a rando on the Internet who is pitching ideas that were considered heresies by the earliest Christians OR I can listen to people who were disciples of the apostles who teach the exact opposite of what you do and has been taught since the earliest days of Christiandom. You can blather on if you like. I might even encourage because it's kind of funny watching you flounder and demand that you're right.

 

[nedsk]

I don't see where that says the seal of God's Holy Spirit will be retracted and they shall be damned to die in their sins again.

You really can't comprehend that that's exactly what it says??????? I'm dumbfounded. What do you think, "...thou also shalt be cut off." means?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

From salvation.

From which the believers are also being threatened to be cut off from, unless::

“…thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Rom 11:22, KJV)

No, Because there was still a remnant. so Israel as a nation did not lose salvation.

They lost the benefits of Being Gods representatives on earth. which was given to the gentiles.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Sir, you cannot be saved without believing the gospel (which includes the resurrection).

Are you suggesting that one can be saved in unbelief?

again


Your saying Abraham David and moses was not saved.

remember Paul in rom 4 says we are saved by this same faith Abraham had.

rom 4: 16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us al

Again, you just condemned every sinner who never met Christ on earth and had a chance to repent..and recieve him

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Israel as a nation did not lose salvation.

They will, if they don’t repent and believe before it’s too late…

And, those who do repent and believe can also loose salvation if they don’t continue in the faith grounded and settled.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Now you are desperately bouncing around unrelated scriptures to remain in your delusional state…

lol

I am delusional

You said if we deny him

John said if ANYONE deny's him, they are antichrist. and they do not have the father

he also said they were never saved.

so if anyone is delusional here it is you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I did no such thing.

If you return to a life of willful sin and loose your salvation YOU FAILED, not Jesus.

lol. Again John destroyes your theology

1. A man born of God can not live a life of sin. whoever lives a life of sin has never seen or known God.

again, where is your faith in God to change people?

and PS. Stop excusing your sin. All sin is willful except unknown sin (sins we do not realise are sins)

and even then, a person who has been a christian for years. has no excuse. they should know what sin is by this time..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

you are the one who denies and twist the gospel of Christ, it is well known on this forum.

??

how does @pandaflower deny the gospel?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

They weren’t saved either, until:

“…the gospel [was] preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.” (1Pe 4:6, KJV)

Abraham was saved in Gen 15. David was called a man after Gods own heart.

you declairing they were not saved is actually an insult to the very God who saved them..

 

[Michiah-Imla]

rom 4: 16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham

Abraham was saved when:

“…the gospel preached also to them that are dead...” (1Pe 4:6, KJV)

you just condemned every sinner who never met Christ on earth and had a chance to repent..and recieve him

Quote what I have said that supports this ridiculous accusation.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

@Eternally Grateful @pandaflower

In John 15:6, Jesus made it even clearer, saying;


"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."

I hope you get this message and you will let sink in. this is a very serious matter our salvation depends on this to Abide IN Christ.

There is more info in the O.P if you bother to read it and have legitimate questions and remain polite I may answer. but it us unlikely. Still, I wish yo well.

Oh so you also think salovation can be lost.

wow the cross has no power for you also.

John 15 is about bearing fruit. not about gaining salvation.

context would help you greatly

1 Cor 3: 11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

John said if ANYONE deny's him, they are antichrist. and they do not have the father

he also said they were never saved.

We are not discussing the group that John is talking about there.

You have not answered the last post.

You are now diluting the conversation.

Address first what I have presented.

Otherwise this is an exercise in futility.