Is it possible to lose salvation?

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My belief system as you call are the words of Christ yours is?
then why do you not believe everythign he said?

Here is a list of verses where Jesus gives the gospel. I have included some from paul also

can you show me where Jesus requires works. or salvation can be lost? or that sal;vation will be had through works at all?

John 1: 11: 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO THEM WHO BELIEVE 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (no works)

John 3, FOR God so loved the world he gave his only son that WHOEVER BELIEVES (trusts) in him will NEVER PERISH, and LIVE FOREVER (eternal life) for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who BELIEVES is NOT CONDEMNED, he who does not believe is condemned already (no works)

John 4: 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will NEVER THIRST. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into EVERLASTING LIFE” (no works)

John 5: 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he whoever HEARS MY WORD and BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME who sent Me HAS ETERNAL LIFE and SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT but HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE (No works)

John 6: 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. HE WHO COMES TO ME shall NEVER HUNGER and he who BELIEVES IN ME shall NEVER THIRST (NO WORKS)

John 6: 37: and THE ONE WHO COMES TO ME I WILL BY NO MEANS CAST OUT 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, thatof all He has given Me I SHAL LOSE NOTHING, but SHOULD RAISE IT UP ON THE LAST DAY. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that EVERYONE WHO SEES AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE AND I WILL (NOT MIGHT) RAISE HIM ON THE LAST DAY (NO WORKS)

John 6: 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that THAT ONE MAY EAT OF IT AND NOT DIE 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. IF ANYONE EATS THIS BREAD HE WILL LIVE FOREVER (NO WORKS)

John 6: 63 It is the SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE ; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK to you ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (SIGNIFYING THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN, THE FLESH AND BOOD ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPOKE. NOT THE PHYSICAL FOOD OR WORKS,)

EPH 1: 13 In Him YOU ALSO TRUSTED , after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also ,HAVING BELIEVED YOU WERE SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE 14 who IS THE GAURANTEE OF OUR INHERITANCE until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

THE INHERITANCE HE SAID WE ALREADY HAD IN THE 1ST 12 VERSES. (AGAIN, NO WORKS)

eph 2: 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses,MADE US ALIVE together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and RAISED US UP TOGETHER , and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED (A COMPLETED ACTION) THROUGH FAITH , (AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED) and that NOT OF YOURSELVES ; it IS THE GIFT OF GOD, 9 NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST (NO WORKS)

rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS (AGAIN NO WORKS. PERIOD)

rom 4: 16 Therefore IT IF OF FAITH THAT IT MAY BE ACCORDING TO GRACE , so that THE PROMISE MAY BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED not only to those who are of the law, but also TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , who is the father of us all (AGAIN, NO WORKS, IT IS OF GRACE THROUGH FAITH)

Rom 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but ALSO FOR US, IT SHALL BE IMPUTED TO US WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WHO RAISED UP JESUS OUR LORD FROM THE DEAD , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was RAISED BECAUSE OF OUR JUSTIFICATION (AGAIN NO WORKS)

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE.But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK (AS i HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIME, GRACE + WORKS = WORKS.. GRACE AND WORKS CAN NOT MIX IN THE AREA OF SALVATION. ITS LIKE MIXING OIL AND WATER)

2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN (AGAIN, NO WORKS. BUT GRACE)

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED US through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE
(AGAIN, NO QUESTION HERE. PAUL LEAVES NO QUESTION. NO GOOD DEED CAN SAVE US,. WE ARE SAVED BY GODS MERCY, AND GIVEN THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE. WHICH IS PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN


Titus 1: 2
in HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE which GOD WHO CAN NOT LIE PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

this is what our faith is in, the grace and mercy of God. not our deeds.
 
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Listen to whoever you want.

when you are unable to answer questions. or show an answer from the people you are trusting.

then you should question who you are listenign to.

also note when you can not answer things.. you should not try to judge others as being in error. when you admit you do not even know yourself. you just believe what you have been taught..
You need to show proof you have the authoritative understanding of Scripture or you need to show that what you believe was taught by the church before the1500s. Until you do one or both of those this is what you'll get. You need to show why you should be taken seriously otherwise I don't really care but keep posting. It seems to make you feel better.
 

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You are as blind as the present Israelites who will not accept the New Testament and that Jesus is written about in the Old Testament and is the Son of God.

Ezekiel 18 tells us that if a righteous person, whether a devote Jew or a Christian sins and turns away from God, if he will not repent of sin of turning away from God, he will die the second death.

So, the true answer is that if you turn away from God's righteousness, then you will lose your salvation.
You just tossed out most of the New Testament.

way to go!

Jesus came to save you from the law. Not put you back under it
 
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Did not Jesus tell the disciples an the others listening to Him, that they should not grieve the Holy Spirit as the Holy Spirit coud not forgive them of their sin.
Yes,

and what else did they say

That you have been sealed until the day of redemption.

Not that you have been sealed until you break Gods law. and sin
 
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I was quoting the scripture from memory, and it was close enough. Here are some verses on this subject: -

Matthew 12:31-32: - The Unpardonable Sin
(Mark 3:28-30)
31 "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.​

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Mark 3:28-30: - The Unpardonable Sin
(Matt 12:31,32; Luke 12:10)
28 "Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; 29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation" — 30 because they said, "He has an unclean spirit."​

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Luke 12:8-12: - Confess Christ Before Men
(Matt 10:32,33)
8 "Also I say to you, whoever confesses Me before men, him the Son of Man also will confess before the angels of God. 9 But he who denies Me before men will be denied before the angels of God.​
10 "And anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven.​
11 "Now when they bring you to the synagogues and magistrates and authorities, do not worry about how or what you should answer, or what you should say. 12 For the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say."​

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Is Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit a sin?
Yes

Anyone who is in a state of unbelief has commited that sin.

they not only have never been saved, they remain unsaved until they repent.

to reject the gospel. is to reject the HS. which is blasphemy.

The people in Jesus day tries to attribute the works of Christ (which was accomplished by the HS) to satan.

its no different than people today attributing the work of the HS to etherr man, other beings. or rejecting the words of God outright
 
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legalism or religion is Satans greatest victory over the human race.

Did not God make the first legal rule?

It was:

“…the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it...” (Gen 2:16-17, KJV)

So according to your foolish logic, God was acting in a satanic way by being legalistic with Adam.

Think about what you say, sir.

I perceive that you have long abandoned scriptural principles in favor of sectarian principles.
 
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You are welcome to believe what you want.

1 John 1:5-10: - Fellowship with Him and One Another​
5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.​
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.​
fellowship.

fellowship does not equal salvation.

The prodigal son was still a son. but he lost fellowship with his father until he returned.

I was a prodigal for 5 years. I understand this concept quite well
 

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I have heard enough, you just did in just a few posts contradict Jesus again and again, you twist scripture or add to it according to your own false doctrine.

You have free will to believe what you want.
You need to hear more. because your still trapped in legalism
 

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Yes, all modern Satanists teach the "one Law" from LaVay's Satanic Bible.
Crowley and levay are not a good comparison. levay was a guy desperate for attention that dressed in a halloween devil costume, crowley by all accounts was the real thing
 

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Yes, Christ died FREELY to pay for our sins, and God gives us this Forgiveness, Freely........its "the Gift of Salvation".



Salvation is Jesus on The Cross.
You can't do that.
So everyone is saved because Jesus died in the cross. Excellent
 

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the whole "lose salvation" and teachings people claim are not "salvation" issues, makes me think of a worker that goes to his boss and asks "whats the bare minimum amount of work i can do to in order to get my full paycheck." i wonder what a boss would think of a worker like this?
the problem with this thinking is ytou work for a boss to earn a wage.

Salvation is not a wage

people came to jesus and asked how much work they needed to do. Jesus said it is the work of God we believe.

You can not earn salvation. and no true child of God would even think of Going to God and ask how much work they need to do..
 

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So you just keep talking even though you can't show any evidence you have the authoritative understanding of Scripture. I love the blind stubbornness
I agree. You love blind stubborness (yourself)

You blindly follow men, and do not even know what they believe, proven by the fact you are unable to look at the word of God and actually know what it means
 
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You need to show proof you have the authoritative understanding of Scripture or you need to show that what you believe was taught by the church before the1500s. Until you do one or both of those this is what you'll get. You need to show why you should be taken seriously otherwise I don't really care but keep posting. It seems to make you feel better.
lol. the fact I posted the words of God. the fact I showed what the words of God said. and the fact you can not counter anythi9ng that I have said,. or respond to why what jesus said does not agree with what you want me to believe. shows YOU HAVAE NO AUTHORITY.

I never claimed authority my friend.. I share what I believe. you are free to prove me wrong and try to change my view.

since you are totally uinable to answer my questions. You will or can not change my mind

also

since you can not go to your authority and share what they say which would prove me wrong.. then you show they have no authority and give me no reason to change my view

Again, believe what you want.. keep holding the catholic line

eternity is far to long for me to risk not doing what God said and testing each spirit and studying the word to show myself approved.

if you do not want to do this. fine.. Thats on you
 
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the problem with this thinking is ytou work for a boss to earn a wage.

Salvation is not a wage

people came to jesus and asked how much work they needed to do. Jesus said it is the work of God we believe.

You can not earn salvation. and no true child of God would even think of Going to God and ask how much work they need to do..
i never said salvation was a wage, i said what would a boss think of someone that wanted to make no effort.
 

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Did not God make the first legal rule?

It was:

“…the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it...” (Gen 2:16-17, KJV)

So according to your foolish logic, God was acting in a satanic way by being legalistic with Adam.

Think about what you say, sir.

I perceive that you have long abandoned scriptural principles in favor of sectarian principles.
you lost the point

legalism says I must do something to save myself. or I must obey a set of rules or commands to save myself

Grace says I failed to meet Gods demands or requirment. because all have sinned and fall short.

And he comes like the tax collector falls on his face and cries out for Gods mercy.

remember, Jesus said he went home justified. the legalistic pharisee did not..
 
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