Is it possible to lose salvation?

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Marymog

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we care what is taught in the word of God. not some pagan church.

if your going to just blindly follow an organization. i would stop talking.. Because you show you have no authority. and are unteachable
You crack me up EG....... :jest:

Who is "we"? Anyone that agrees with YOU?

Name a organized church that isn't pagan for me please?

@nedsk blindly follows an organization but YOU are all enlightened and don't blindly follow anyone? You follow your own teachings I assume?

@nedsk has no authority (of which I'm sure he would agree with that since The Church has authority) but YOU have authority?

YOU are the grand teacher, the pillar and foundation of truth, and if we don't listen to YOU we are unteachable?:IDK:

A bit pompous of you..........:gd
 

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Got it. You believe Jesus lied when he said this IS my body/blood.

You knew in advance that's a) a lie and b) an insult to put things this way.

The normal thing to say would be something like : I think you misunderstood His words.

But you could not resist, now could you?

Be well.
 

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then why do you not believe everythign he said?



can you show me where Jesus requires works. or salvation can be lost? or that sal;vation will be had through works at all?
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Jesus made it clear that salvation is not just believing with words, but living a life of obedience and love. He said, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven” (Matthew 7:21). This shows that only calling Him Lord is not enough; doing God’s will is required. When the rich man asked what he must do to have eternal life, Jesus answered, “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17). Again He said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15).

Jesus also warned that salvation can be lost if a person turns away. He said, “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned” (John 15:6). And again, “Because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved” (Matthew 24:12–13). In the parable of the ten virgins, five were once waiting for the bridegroom but were later shut out because they were not ready (Matthew 25:1–12).

At the final judgment, Jesus said people will be separated by what they did or did not do. In Matthew 25:31–46, He said the sheep inherit the kingdom because they fed the hungry, gave drink to the thirsty, welcomed the stranger, clothed the naked, visited the sick, and came to those in prison. The goats, who did not do these things, are sent into everlasting punishment. He also said, “The hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation”(John 5:28–29).

So Jesus showed that true salvation is not by words alone but by living faith that is seen in works of mercy and love, such as helping the poor, the widows, the sick, and those in need. It requires abiding in Him, keeping His commandments, and enduring to the end, for only then will we enter into life.

As well, James the brother of Jesus a pillar if the early church explained that works are not a way to buy salvation but the proof that faith is real. He said, “Faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead” (James 2:17). A person may say he has faith, but without works it cannot save him (James 2:14). James gave the example of Abraham, showing his faith was made perfect by works when he offered Isaac (James 2:21–22). He also said Rahab was justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out safely (James 2:25). Then he concluded, “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also” (James 2:26). James also reminded believers of what true religion looks like: “Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world” (James 1:27).

These scriptures are clear. The question now is what you will choose. Will you continue walking on your own path that leads to loss, or will you turn and follow the narrow path that leads to eternal life, just as Jesus told us to do? For He said, “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it” (Matthew 7:13–14). The choice is before you: to follow the crowd on the wide road, or to follow Christ on the narrow way that brings life with God forever.
 
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"Things changed"? Lol completely irrelevant to what was believed and taught by the church prior.

Like I said in my previous post, the Scriptures were hidden from the people, book printing changed everything. And needless to say, not always for the better.
 
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How so?

Show me where I have sinned.
1 John 1: 8 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

good luck trying to convince anyone you have never sinned a day in your life.

Only one man can make this claim, and he died on a cross for your redemption
 

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You knew in advance that's a) a lie and b) an insult to put things this way.

The normal thing to say would be something like : I think you misunderstood His words.

But you could not resist, now could you?

Be well.
thats why I have her on ignore. and have for well over a year
 
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@Behold
Jesus made it clear that salvation is not just believing with words, but living a life of obedience and love. He said, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven” (Matthew 7:21). This shows that only calling Him Lord is not enough; doing God’s will is required. When the rich man asked what he must do to have eternal life, Jesus answered, “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17). Again He said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15).
you did not answer my question..

can you show me where Jesus (and paul) mentioned any works are required in those passages I showed.

John 1: 11: 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO THEM WHO BELIEVE 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (no works)

John 3, FOR God so loved the world he gave his only son that WHOEVER BELIEVES (trusts) in him will NEVER PERISH, and LIVE FOREVER (eternal life) for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who BELIEVES is NOT CONDEMNED, he who does not believe is condemned already (no works)

John 4: 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will NEVER THIRST. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into EVERLASTING LIFE” (no works)

John 5: 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he whoever HEARS MY WORD and BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME who sent Me HAS ETERNAL LIFE and SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT but HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE (No works)

John 6: 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. HE WHO COMES TO ME shall NEVER HUNGER and he who BELIEVES IN ME shall NEVER THIRST (NO WORKS)

John 6: 37: and THE ONE WHO COMES TO ME I WILL BY NO MEANS CAST OUT 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, thatof all He has given Me I SHAL LOSE NOTHING, but SHOULD RAISE IT UP ON THE LAST DAY. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that EVERYONE WHO SEES AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE AND I WILL (NOT MIGHT) RAISE HIM ON THE LAST DAY (NO WORKS)

John 6: 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that THAT ONE MAY EAT OF IT AND NOT DIE 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. IF ANYONE EATS THIS BREAD HE WILL LIVE FOREVER (NO WORKS)

John 6: 63 It is the SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE ; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK to you ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (SIGNIFYING THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN, THE FLESH AND BOOD ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPOKE. NOT THE PHYSICAL FOOD OR WORKS,)

EPH 1: 13 In Him YOU ALSO TRUSTED , after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also ,HAVING BELIEVED YOU WERE SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE 14 who IS THE GAURANTEE OF OUR INHERITANCE until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

THE INHERITANCE HE SAID WE ALREADY HAD IN THE 1ST 12 VERSES. (AGAIN, NO WORKS)

eph 2: 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses,MADE US ALIVE together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and RAISED US UP TOGETHER , and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED (A COMPLETED ACTION) THROUGH FAITH , (AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED) and that NOT OF YOURSELVES ; it IS THE GIFT OF GOD, 9 NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST (NO WORKS)

rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS (AGAIN NO WORKS. PERIOD)

rom 4: 16 Therefore IT IF OF FAITH THAT IT MAY BE ACCORDING TO GRACE , so that THE PROMISE MAY BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED not only to those who are of the law, but also TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , who is the father of us all (AGAIN, NO WORKS, IT IS OF GRACE THROUGH FAITH)

Rom 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but ALSO FOR US, IT SHALL BE IMPUTED TO US WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WHO RAISED UP JESUS OUR LORD FROM THE DEAD , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was RAISED BECAUSE OF OUR JUSTIFICATION (AGAIN NO WORKS)

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE.But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK (AS i HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIME, GRACE + WORKS = WORKS.. GRACE AND WORKS CAN NOT MIX IN THE AREA OF SALVATION. ITS LIKE MIXING OIL AND WATER)

2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN (AGAIN, NO WORKS. BUT GRACE)

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED US through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE
(AGAIN, NO QUESTION HERE. PAUL LEAVES NO QUESTION. NO GOOD DEED CAN SAVE US,. WE ARE SAVED BY GODS MERCY, AND GIVEN THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE. WHICH IS PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN


Titus 1: 2
in HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE which GOD WHO CAN NOT LIE PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

this is what our faith is in, the grace and mercy of God. not our deeds.

and I am not sure why you mentioned behold. Him and I are not on the same wavelength in all areas.
 

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Like I said in my previous post, the Scriptures were hidden from the people, book printing changed everything. And needless to say, not always for the better.
when you kill your enemy and call them heretics because they do not BELIEVE AS YOU DO

when you BURN THEIR BOOKS so no one can read them, or see people believed any way other than rome

then you have no authority to say no one believed anything prior. when you destroyed any evidence they did
 
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Show me where I have sinned.

1 John 1: 8 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

good luck trying to convince anyone you have never sinned a day in your life.

Of course every one has sinned.

But my sins were taken away:

“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1Jn 1:9, KJV)

Now the true believers go on to this:

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin…and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” (1Jn 3:9, KJV)
 

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Of course every one has sinned.

But my sins were taken away:

“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1Jn 1:9, KJV)

Now the true believers go on to this:

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin…and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” (1Jn 3:9, KJV)
then your saved. and nothing you can do will ever stop that salvation.

Otherwise. your still under law and not under grace.

Those words of John are present tense (not past). If you right here and right now. If I right here and right now. claim to be without sin (in a present state of sinlessness) I am decieved and their is no truth in me.

You cannot expect me to give heed to your doctrines. when you can not even confess you still sin
 

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nothing you can do will ever stop that salvation.

There’s is something I can do to loose my salvation.

But the fear of the Lord and my momentum in his direction help me stay on the right path.

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:” (1Pe 5:8, KJV)
 

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There’s is something I can do to loose my salvation.
then you are under law not under grace..
But the fear of the Lord and my momentum in his direction help me stay on the right path.

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:” (1Pe 5:8, KJV)
again, your under law not under grace.

sadly. even if you never broke another command or sinned again, you would still be lost. because your trusting in your ability to keep from sinning. and Not Gods ability to save you completely
 

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Did not God make the first legal rule?

It was:

“…the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it...” (Gen 2:16-17, KJV)

So according to your foolish logic, God was acting in a satanic way by being legalistic with Adam.

Think about what you say, sir.

I perceive that you have long abandoned scriptural principles in favor of sectarian principles.
You really don't know what you're talking about.

Their post to Jay Ross would have educated your ignorance. Instead,you remain obstinate.
“And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.” (Mat 5:30, KJV)

coffee:
Yes,you really don't know the Gospel. Emoji's don't hide that fact.


Too many here think they can fake their way. Sad.
 
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You knew in advance that's a) a lie and b) an insult to put things this way.

The normal thing to say would be something like : I think you misunderstood His words.

But you could not resist, now could you?

Be well.
I am well ProDeo.....Thank you. When one has the truth on their side they are always well.


Soooooo if someone (Jesus in 33AD) says this IS xyz and about 30 years later another person (Paul in Corinthians) says it IS xyz and then 30 years later someone else (Ignatius who was taught by John) says it IS xyz and then 2,000 years later you say it isn't xyz you are calling all 3 of those persons a liars. Pretty simple logic. Sooooo there is no insult when you call a duck a duck!

Let me put it this way since you seem (falsely) offended: I KNOW you misunderstood His words. Scripture and Christian history prove that to be true.

Also, I noticed you didn't address anything that I wrote. Why is that? Because there is no defense for your (lack of) logic?

Mary
 

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then you are under law not under grace..

again, your under law not under grace.

sadly. even if you never broke another command or sinned again, you would still be lost. because your trusting in your ability to keep from sinning. and Not Gods ability to save you completely
Micah is following their own doctrine,you realize?

It is impossible to arrive at their conclusions, Sophistry, after studying the actual Gospel of Christ.

They saved themselves. And by that token think they can condemn themselves right out of it.

When the Bible and Jesus' words don't reach them,let it go. We don't lead anyone to Christ.

Only God calls whom he will.

Micah is telling us repeatedly,that isn't true.

Believe them .
 

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your trusting in your ability to keep from sinning. and Not Gods ability to save you completely

I just told you that the fear of the Lord keeps me from sinning. I quoted the verse to you. I trust in the word of God for guidance in remaining saved.

Your false doctrine has you saying unwise and unbiblical things, like equating your loss of salvation by your failures as a limit on God’s abilities.

God will not keep an unjust person saved who has returned to a life of sin and was moved away from the hope of the gospel after he was reconciled.

“And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel…” (Col 1:21-23, KJV)
 
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Micah is following their own doctrine,you realize?

It is impossible to arrive at their conclusions, Sophistry, after studying the actual Gospel of Christ.

They saved themselves. And by that token think they can condemn themselves right out of it.

When the Bible and Jesus' words don't reach them,let it go. We don't lead anyone to Christ.

Only God calls whom he will.

Micah is telling us repeatedly,that isn't true.

Believe them .
he is no different than a pharisee really

1. He thinks is is by obedience to the law he is saved
2. He pumps his chest prainsing God he is not like us sinners.
3. He does not understand what sin really is.. because he thinks he has none. hence like the pharisee he waters down the law
 
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I just told you that the fear of the Lord keeps me from sinning. I quoted the verse to you. I trust in the word of God for guidance in remaining saved.

Your false doctrine has you saying unwise and unbiblical things, like equating your loss of salvation by your failures as a limit on God’s abilities.

God will not keep an unjust person saved who has returned to a life of sin and was moved away from the hope of the gospel after he was reconciled.

“And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel…” (Col 1:21-23, KJV)
yeah take your self righteousness elsewhere my friend.

Pump your chest like a pharisee to people who might care.

the rest of us know better..

The people John spoke to thought they did nto sin either. thats why John made it clear to pronounce. if anyone comes and says they are not sinning. they are decieved..
 

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Meanwhile, believers in Christ will never say the same.

Apostle Paul did:

“…I keep under [control] my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.” (1Co 9:27, KJV)
 
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