Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Ronald Nolette]

the unsaved have no free will? then how can they repent and come to jesus in faith to be saved by grace?

Well if you read Scripture you get these passages that tell you how the elect come to jesus.

Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Chosen before the foundation of the world

John 15:16
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain:

Jesus chooses us.

John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

No one can come to Jesus unless drawn (lit. dragged) by the Father to Jesus.

Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

So He chose us, predestined us, and foreknew us.

Now about the unsaved having an ability to choose God in their human nature?

Romans 8:8

King James Version

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8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

No one can please God in their human nature.

1 Corinthians 1:18
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned

It takes god doing a complete change of our heart in order for us to come to Him.

 

[pandaflower]

Jesus promised His followers that the Holy Spirit would come to live in them: “And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever—the Spirit of truth… for He dwells with you and will be in you” (John 14:16–17). On the day of Pentecost this promise was fulfilled, for the Spirit came and filled the disciples (Acts 2:4). From then on, believers are said to be temples of God: “Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?” (1 Corinthians 3:16). This is the indwelling of the Spirit.

The question is—can a Christian who has received the Spirit lose salvation? Jesus gave strong warnings. He said, “Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away” (John 15:2). Notice these branches were already “in Him,” but if they became fruitless, they were removed. Again He said, “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned” (John 15:6). This shows that continuing to abide in Christ is necessary. Faith must remain alive. Do you believe What Christ said Panda?

The Old Testament also warns us: “But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity… all the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty… he shall die” (Ezekiel 18:24). This principle is echoed in the New Covenant, for Jesus said, “He who endures to the end shall be saved” (Matthew 24:13). Salvation is not something we hold by a single moment of belief and then live as we please—it must be kept through faithfulness, obedience, and perseverance.

Furthermore, “He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels” (Revelation 3:5).

This means that the names of believers are written in the Book of Life, but the Lord makes clear that not everyone who once believed will remain there. Only those who overcome and endure to the end will keep their name written. This shows us that it is possible for someone to begin in faith, to even be written in the Book, but if they turn away and no longer abide in Christ, their name can be blotted out.

So yes, a believer can fall away if they choose to no longer abide in Christ. That is why we are warned, “Watch and pray, lest you enter into temptation” (Matthew 26:41). The Spirit indwells to guide, strengthen, and seal us for the day of redemption, but God will not force anyone to remain. True salvation is secure for those who continue in faith, but if a person hardens their heart and turns away, they cut themselves off from the very life that saves them.

You're wrong.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Its amazing to me how mightily you people struggle. You realize don't you that even when the prodigal son was feeding the pigs he was still the father's son but he walked away from the father. I'm not sure how that's confusing to you. Walking away didn't change who he was but it's presumptuous to think he was saved just because he was the son.

I do not know why you think I believe one can lose their salvation. I am a fierce defender of biblical eternal security!

 

[pandaflower]

This tells me that you did not read the last few pages of this thread.

But the answer is, Yes.

The Bible is clear on this fact.

I read them. You're wrong.

 

[pandaflower]

I do not know why you think I believe one can lose their salvation. I am a fierce defender of biblical eternal security!

Amen.

What Does the Bible Say About Eternal Security?

Bible verses about Eternal Security

www.openbible.info

John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I read them. You're wrong.

No Bible references?

 

[pandaflower]

No Bible references?

Tons.

That you ignore at your eternal peril.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

@pandaflower

“And you, that were [at one time] alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel…” (Col 1:21-23, KJV)

You have been warned.

 

[pandaflower]

@pandaflower

“And you, that were [at one time] alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel…” (Col 1:21-23, KJV)

You have been warned.

You can't threaten any Christian with pasted passages you don't understand.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Apostle Paul did:

“…I keep under [control] my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.” (1Co 9:27, KJV)

This same paul said to be absent from the body was to be present with the lord.

Yes, he would be a castaway, he would have lost his light, and no one would listen to him

not the same as losing salvation

 

[Eternally Grateful]

My posts are mostly scripture quotations that speak for themselves.

Your accusation is bizarre.

@nedsk posts parts of scripture two. it is obvious he does not understand what they mean.,.

Just because you can quote a few words don't not mean you know what those words say

 

[pandaflower]

This same paul said to be absent from the body was to be present with the lord.

Yes, he would be a castaway, he would have lost his light, and no one would listen to him

not the same as losing salvation

The more they argue against the Gospel, the more they prove it does not know them.

They're desperate to be believed.

Sad.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I have never thanked God that I wasn’t like sinners around me (false accusations my friend).

you prety much have done it every time I have had any type of conversation with you.

I have never bragged to anyone that I am superior because of how I walk before God in Christ.

I am simply exposing a false doctrine with the word of God.

Somehow you interpret that as me pumping my chest.

lol.. You claim to be without sin, this alone is you puffing yourself up as better than anyone else

And john says you are deceived.

just like the pharisees were

 

[Eternally Grateful]

by their works!, simple!

ok lets go with this

Why are they doing their works?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I have answered already did you read the text?

you went off on a tangent

You did not show me in the texts I gave you where Jesus or paul stated works are required.

so no you did not answer my actual question

you asked scripture and I delivered scripture as you asked.

No. I asked you to look at the scripture I have now given you twice and show me where IN THAT SCRIPTURE Jesus or paul spoke of works required.

I take a lot of time to research things and people do not read. I and others on this forum work hard for you guys also in case you did not notice.

I mentioned Behold because the answer I gave could help him if he reads it, I provide scripture and no personal interpretation, remember I am non denominational and am a follower of Christ, I listen to his voice and His only.

lol.. Once again. Please answer my questions. Show me in THE PASSAGES I GAVE YOU. where Jesus said works are required. it should not be hard at all if Jesus actually said it in those passaged (or Paul)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Does not sound very OSAS to me.

Paul was not talking about salvation..

context helps

 

[Eternally Grateful]

This tells me that you did not read the last few pages of this thread.

But the answer is, Yes.

The Bible is clear on this fact.

so a person sealed with the spirit UNTIL the day of redemption. even if that HS is grieved can be lost?

lol. Again, puffing yourself up

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Well if you read Scripture you get these passages that tell you how the elect come to jesus.

Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Chosen before the foundation of the world

John 15:16
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain:

Jesus chooses us.

John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

No one can come to Jesus unless drawn (lit. dragged) by the Father to Jesus.

Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

So He chose us, predestined us, and foreknew us.

Now about the unsaved having an ability to choose God in their human nature?

Romans 8:8​

​

King James Version​

​

​

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

No one can please God in their human nature.

1 Corinthians 1:18
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned

It takes god doing a complete change of our heart in order for us to come to Him.

Or I could read John 1, John 3, John 4, John 5 John 6. and see that everyone must make a choice. to receive the lord in faith. or to reject him

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Just because you can quote a few words don't not mean you know what those words say

I know exactly what they say.

You only know what your false doctrine tells you they say…

You see, once you accept lies, all truths must have secret meanings other than what they plainly say.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

You claim to be without sin, this alone is you puffing yourself up as better than anyone else

And john says you are deceived.

Once Christ takes your sins away, what sins are there left?

“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1Jn 1:8-9, KJV)

I have confessed my sins and Christ took all my sins away.

Weren’t your sins taken away?

Or, do you trample under foot the son of God everyday and count the blood of the covenant, wherewith you were sanctified, an unholy thing, and have done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Heb 10:26-27, KJV)