Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?

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You have the Apostle John.
He lived 30 yrs, after PRETERISM stated that Jesus came back and went back.
That was a different John entirely who was serving in the church post-AD 70. I believe this "John" was the young man "John surnamed Mark" (sister's son to Barnabas) who was commended by Paul for his work in the ministry. He was NOT the same as the writer of the Apocalypse: namely, a prophet and fellow-servant of the messenger who gave John those visions (Rev. 22:9). The writer of the Apocalypse was a glorified, bodily-resurrected saint who left this planet back in AD 70 with the returning Christ.
 
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So they actually do not die, right? They just leave the body.
Death is about the body, spirits don't die as in cease to exist, people who are spiritually dead, have a temporary living body, but they are the walking dead to God. Oh they seem lively to me and you but to God they are dead.
Spiritually dead people have the destiny of having their soul destroyed in hell, they will be dead body and soul, they will not get a glorified body


Spiritually dead people are considered twice dead at the judgment.
Twice dead, they will experience physical death and they are also spiritually dead

Couple examples
Jude 12
These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried about by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots;

Matthew
21 Then another of His disciples said to Him, “Lord, let me first go and bury my father.”
22 But Jesus said to him, “Follow Me, and let the dead bury their own dead.”

Ephesians 2:1
And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,

Ephesians 2:5
even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

Ephesians 5:14
Therefore He says: “Awake, you who sleep, Arise from the dead, And Christ will give you light.”

John 5:24
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

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Believers though still have a flesh and blood body and it does die someday.
As a believer I can not die twice, just once.

Revelation 2:11
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.” ’

Revelation 20:14
Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 21:8
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
 

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There is no evangelizing when the new earth and heavens are created.
Nonsense. Look at the "open gates" of the NHNE reality with the New Jerusalem in Rev. 21-22, with Christ giving the clear evangelistic invitation in Rev. 22:17, saying, "Let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." Clearly, evangelism is still going on in the NHNE.

Isaiah 60:18 once described the New Jerusalem. "But you shall call your walls Salvation, And your gates Praise...". Those entering within the walls of this New Jerusalem are the secured recipients of that Salvation. Evangelism is very much part of the NHNE and the New Jerusalem's existence. Rev. 22:2 said that the leaves of the Tree of Life in this New Jerusalem "are for the healing of the nations": the evangelistic remedy for the world of sinners living outside the open gates of the New Jerusalem who are invited by Christ to enter those open gates.

When the first earth and heavens pass away with a loud noise, there is no more living flesh on the earth as it is burned with fire and dissolved.
Not so. Zechariah 13:8-9 described the fires that those in the land of Israel would pass through. "And it shall come to pas, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God." (Zech 13:8-9).

The AD 66-70 fires throughout the whole land of Israel in almost every city overcame and killed two parts of the land's inhabitants, but God preserved a third part for Himself that passed through the fires of those "days of vengeance", as He refined them.

Then the earth is regenerated, and it is the age of the resurrection, and there is more marriage and people are like the holy angels, and they do not get evangelized, they do not need saving do they! You are therefore greatly [h]mistaken.
I agree, those saints who have died and who then participate in a resurrection event certainly are deathless and do not marry, just like the angels in heaven. But you are presuming that the coming resurrection event which Paul in Acts 24:15 wrote was "about to be" in his own generation would usher in the eternal state on earth for all who had not yet died. It didn't do that for the living inhabitants on earth. The AD 70 bodily resurrection at Christ's second coming was NOT the period on the end of the sentence of human history in this world. Ordinary history with ongoing periods of persecution for the believers would continue to occur, even after Christ's second coming return in AD 70. Matthew 24:21 informs us that none of these future periods of tribulation would ever surpass that of the "great tribulation" which Judea and Jerusalem experienced in the AD 66-70 years.

Zechariah 14:16 also spoke of this "year to year" progress of history for the nations on earth, following Christ second coming return which Zechariah 14:4-5 described. Christ's second coming return was not said to be at the very close of all mankind's history on this planet. Regular history on earth would continue to flow afterwards. Because Paul wrote about a third, final coming of Christ in 1 Cor. 15:20-24.
 

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people who are spiritually dead, have a temporary living body, but they are the walking dead to God. Oh they seem lively to me and you but to God they are dead.
Spiritually dead people have the destiny of having their soul destroyed in hell, they will be dead body and soul, they will not get a glorified body
Absolutely true...
 

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Death is about the body, spirits don't die as in cease to exist, people who are spiritually dead, have a temporary living body, but they are the walking dead to God. Oh they seem lively to me and you but to God they are dead.
Spiritually dead people have the destiny of having their soul destroyed in hell, they will be dead body and soul, they will not get a glorified body


Spiritually dead people are considered twice dead at the judgment.
Twice dead, they will experience physical death and they are also spiritually dead

Couple examples
Jude 12
These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried about by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots;

Matthew
21 Then another of His disciples said to Him, “Lord, let me first go and bury my father.”
22 But Jesus said to him, “Follow Me, and let the dead bury their own dead.”

Ephesians 2:1
And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,

Ephesians 2:5
even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

Ephesians 5:14
Therefore He says: “Awake, you who sleep, Arise from the dead, And Christ will give you light.”

John 5:24
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

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Believers though still have a flesh and blood body and it does die someday.
As a believer I can not die twice, just once.

Revelation 2:11
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.” ’

Revelation 20:14
Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 21:8
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
I would rather say that in the Old Testament, people went to sheol, a dreamy, maybe unconscious state. After Christ, we continue to live in the afterlife.

The death of the body as such was never an issue, as it seems to me. Even all over the world. Physical body is actually quite limiting and fragile, compared to spirit. Most cultures hoped in the spiritual existence, not in some eternal physical one.
 
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I would rather say that in the Old Testament, people went to sheol, a dreamy, rather unconscious state of being. After Christ, we continue to live in the afterlife.

The death of the body as such was never an issue, as it seems to me.

Sheol? The righteous went to Abraham's bosom to await Christ and be perfected.

The wicked, unbelieving, went to fiery torments such as is described Hell fire.

Lake of Fire is the final solution, Hell gets thrown into it. That is the end destiny of all that do not believe.

Sheol is the place of the physically dead when they physically die.
To me it was split into two parts, Paradise of Abraham's bosom and the fiery torments of hell fire.

Abraham's bosom is no more, it went into heaven and all the righteous dead under the Old Covenant went into heaven with Christ when He ascended. What is left behind is hellfire.

They had to wait for Christ as they could not be perfected without the New Covenant.
They all died without receiving the promises, even though they had faith, they were still held captive in death and not allowed into heaven until Christ came and died so that those who believe could have eternal life, as Christ is the DOOR into heaven to live with the Father.

Hebrews 11 and the faithful OC saints of God

37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword. They wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, tormented

38 (of whom the world was not worthy). They wandered in deserts and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.

39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise,

40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
 

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John 10, the unbelieving world will not understand the things of God as they are spiritually discerned and they are spiritually dead in sins and trespasses against God. They are at enmity with God. Oh they might try to make sense of it but they do not have the Spirit, but they do have the spirit of the world influencing them.

Unless God shows to a person the mercy of God to give them an understanding, they will not repent of their unbelief and wicked works.
That is why it says by Grace you are Saved.
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6 This parable Jesus spoke unto them, but they understood not what things they were which He spoke unto them.

7 Then said Jesus unto them again, “Verily, verily I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

8 All that ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.

9 I am the door; by Me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

10 The thief cometh not but to steal and to kill and to destroy. I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

11 I am the Good Shepherd; the Good Shepherd giveth His life for the sheep.

12 But he that is a hireling and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming and leaveth the sheep and fleeth; and the wolf catcheth them and scattereth the sheep.

13 The hireling fleeth because he is a hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

14 I am the Good Shepherd, and know My sheep and am known by Mine.

15 As the Father knoweth Me, even so know I the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold. Them also I must bring, and they shall hear My voice; and there shall be one fold and one Shepherd.
 

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No, these present conditions of the New Heavens and New Earth are not the same as the old. You are presuming that "every tear has been dried" means no more conditions in the entire world which would cause someone to weep.
Yeah, I suppose having lowered expectations for the New Heaven and the New Earth would make Preterism more believable.
 

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Sheol? The righteous went to Abraham's bosom to await Christ and be perfected.

The wicked, unbelieving, went to fiery torments such as is described Hell fire.
The Old Testament knows only sheol as the place where the dead depart. There is no concept of conscious existence in "the paradise and torment compartments" of the underworld, in the Old Testament and ancient Jewish thinking. Only death and waiting for the resurrection "on the last day".

The Jewish idea of a common afterlife with two compartments seems to develop later, in the Hellenistic era, under the influence of the Greek worldview and later rabbinic teachings. In the Greek myths and philosophy, Hádés was divided into Elysium (paradise) and Tartarus (for the wicked). Also, the Plato's idea of the immortal soul played a significant role.
 
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The Old Testament knows only sheol as the place where the dead depart. There is no concept of conscious existence in "the paradise and torment compartments" of the underworld, in the Old Testament and ancient Jewish thinking. Only death and waiting for the resurrection "on the last day".

The Jewish idea of a common afterlife with two compartments seems to develop later, in the Hellenistic era, under the influence of the Greek worldview and later rabbinic teachings. In the Greek myths and philosophy, Hádés was divided into Elysium (paradise) and Tartarus (for the wicked). Also, the Plato's idea of the immortal soul played a significant role.
Jesus Christ described Abraham's bosom, do you believe what He said was based on Greek myths?
Or on truth?

The Jews were mostly a doctrinal and moral disaster.
Continually going after other gods of the nations, and not being obedient to God.
God was displeased with many of them. Especially the religious leaders of His day.

They broke the covenant over and over again with God

Hebrews 8
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins [b]and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

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I am studying preterism and while I think some of what is claimed by full preterists is true I'm not inclined to believe that all of the prophecies have been fulfilled. In other words, I'm on the proverbial fence. I appreciate any good insights that you can share. Thank you in advance!

What I find a very convenient tactic of full preterists is how they link everything physical to AD 70 and the literal destruction. But when it becomes obvious because there is not historical or biblical proof for things like the second coming of Christ in the clouds in AD 70, they try very hard to convince you Christ came spiritually then and point to the judgment against a single nation, Israel, as proof Christ came again. The FP jumps from literal/physical fulfillment to spiritual fulfillment of everything they cannot biblically prove. The last thing I will add is how the FP leads you all over the Bible using verses to support their part literal, part spiritual fulfillment of all that Christ prophesied would come using vague verses like this:

Mt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Lu 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

The FP would have us believe that Christ had to have come again spiritually very soon, they say is AD 70 or this passage makes no sense.

But all the verse really tells us that some of those whom Christ was speaking would not die until they see, (understand, have knowledge) that Christ has ushered in the Kingdom of God that is not of this world, cannot be seen with natural sight, or known until a man has been born again, nor does Christ every tell us the Kingdom of God would be physically upon THIS earth.
 

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ANY form of Preterism doctrine is wrong. Whether its Full, Partial, or Extreme/Hyper Preterism. All wrong.

That's another of the many inconsistencies with the prophecy (Matthew 24:21) and the 70 AD theory where Preterism declares the great tribulation of saints took place in 70 AD. Not only that, but that it was such as was not since the beginning of this world to that time, nor ever would be--as "required" by the Matthew 24 prophecy. An astounding declaration that it itself should invalidate the 70 AD theory. This is also why partial Preterists (and whatever other name they give themselves) divide the same verse into two different eras "because" they know it is inconsistent otherwise, and so they attempt to separate what is obviously a narrative of those same days.

Matthew 24:29
  • "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"
Full Praeterists at least confess it's one era and at least admit this all happened long ago. By contrast, the Partial Preterism theorists and others calling themselves Futurists, Amillennialists, Postmillennialists, or even Premillennialists, and such, do all sorts of exegetical and hermeneutical gymnastics in a vain attempt to get around this clear passage. That "immediately" after the tribulation of those days the sun be darkened, when the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken, they struggle to account for. This prophecy can be one of two things. The fall of the National Israel as the "representation" of the Kingdom of God on earth, or the fall of the church as spiritually Babylon. Neither of which took place in 70 AD.
 
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Death is about the body, spirits don't die as in cease to exist, people who are spiritually dead, have a temporary living body, but they are the walking dead to God. Oh they seem lively to me and you but to God they are dead.
Spiritually dead people have the destiny of having their soul destroyed in hell, they will be dead body and soul, they will not get a glorified body


Spiritually dead people are considered twice dead at the judgment.
Twice dead, they will experience physical death and they are also spiritually dead

Couple examples
Jude 12
These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried about by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots;

Matthew
21 Then another of His disciples said to Him, “Lord, let me first go and bury my father.”
22 But Jesus said to him, “Follow Me, and let the dead bury their own dead.”

Ephesians 2:1
And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,

Ephesians 2:5
even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

Ephesians 5:14
Therefore He says: “Awake, you who sleep, Arise from the dead, And Christ will give you light.”

John 5:24
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

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Believers though still have a flesh and blood body and it does die someday.
As a believer I can not die twice, just once.

If these are made alive, who were at least once dead (meaning dead in sins) as we see here

Ephesians 2:1
And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,

Here also is someone who is to be considered dead, even while they live

1 Ti 5:6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.

In the first, dead in sins (and made alive)
The pleasures of this world entering in
make them dead again (while they live)

Wouldn't think?

Without counting "physical death" (in either place)
Neither in the place where one is dead in sins (while they phyically live) and made alive (even while they live)
So wouldn't it be the same with one living in pleasure (in the body) being dead (even while they live)

That would seem like twice dead even there

Seeing that, even after hearing the word, the pleasures of this world "entering in" would cause no fruit unto perfection, even as it also speaks of those whose "fruit withereth", indicating they had fruit (once) and eventually "without fruit", being as twice dead in that case.

What are your thoughts on this?
 

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I would rather say that in the Old Testament, people went to sheol, a dreamy, maybe unconscious state. After Christ, we continue to live in the afterlife.

The death of the body as such was never an issue, as it seems to me. Even all over the world. Physical body is actually quite limiting and fragile, compared to spirit. Most cultures hoped in the spiritual existence, not in some eternal physical one.
Jesus said in Matthew 22:32, “I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”

Saints never die.

Jesus said in Mark 12:27 records, “He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.”

Jesus said in Luke 20:38 records, For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.”

The Bible says they are alive.

Philippians 2:9-11 says, “Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”

Here are the three places that men can currently be found – heaven, earth, and hell. Whilst saved and lost can both be found on earth, only the redeemed are in heaven and only the wicked are in hell. Revelation 5:3 repeats that, saying, “And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.”

Ephesians 3:14-15 alludes to the only two places where God's people can be found today, saying, “For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named.”

Family or 'patria' represents paternal descent lineage, family kindred. It is also found in Luke 2:4, Acts 3:25 denoting house[hold] or family.

Ephesians 1:10 records: “That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him.”

Colossians 1:20: “having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.”

When Christ comes He will bring the dead in Christ with Him. Jesus said in Matthew 24:31, of His Coming, “And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”

Mark 13:27 enlarges slightly, saying, “And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.”

I Thessalonians 3:13 says, “To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints."

1 Thessalonians 4:14 says, “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Jude 14 similarly says, “And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints. To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”

Luke 9:28-31 says of Christ, “he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray. And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering. And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.”

Moses and Elijah were still very much alive and kicking!!!

Jesus said to the dying thief, in Luke 23:43, "Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise."

Acts 7:59-60 records, “And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.”

Jesus was prepared to welcome Stephen home. His spirit was separating from his body and went to be with God. However, his body was going to the grave.

Once a person gets saved they are made spiritually alive through spiritual resurrection. This involves a spiritual birth. As a result, they enter into eternal life and consequently never die.

Death for the believer, is not the end. It is the beginning of the eternal state! There, the elect is liberated from all the physical bodily afflictions that blight our earthly sojourn. Our body may die and go into the grave, awaiting the resurrection, but our spirit goes immediately into the presence of God.

Repeated Scripture proves that bodily death cannot separate the believer from Christ. Whether it is in life or whether it is in death, nothing can separate God’s people from their Lord. Where He is we will be also.

Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,


When Jesus comes on the day of redemption, on the last day, the bodies of all believers will be resurrected in the resurrection of the just and changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible.

2 Corinthians 5:8 says, "We are confident, I say, and willing rather ‘to be absent’ from the body, and ‘to be present’ with the Lord."

‘ekdeemeesai’ – ‘be absent’
‘endeemeesai’ – ‘be present’

Paul said in Philippians 1:21-24 says, “For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not. For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.”

Death was a promotion for Paul!!!

1 Thessalonians 5:10 tells us that Christ “died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.”

The writer to the Hebrews censures your beliefs in Hebrews 12:18, 22-23, saying, “For ye are not come (plural perfect active indicative)unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest … But ye are come (plural perfect active indicative) unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect.”

Here, currently, we see where the dead in Christ are right now. They are not hovering about aimlessly upon death as you would suggest. These highlighted references in the original relate to the present, and are active, meaning the subject continues to exist in the state indicated by the verb. They relate to the here-and-now and are ongoing. They speak of our immediate entry into the kingdom of God and our current spiritual standing in the New Jerusalem. The heavenly Jerusalem is more than a future hope (even though it most assuredly is that), it is a present reality.

We have access to the holy of holies through the life, death and resurrection of Christ. We now have an open heaven. Hebrews 10:19-20 confirms: Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh.”
 
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5 Now she who is really a widow, and left alone, trusts in God and continues in supplications and prayers night and day.
6 But she who lives in [b]pleasure is dead while she lives.
7 And these things command, that they may be blameless.

Some translation use 'spiritually dead' to describe such a person.
She certainly has not kept God in her mind in what she is doing.
Her husband is dead, who maybe while living restrained her sinful indulgences, now the restraint is gone, would show she was not inwardly converted.


AMP
Whereas she who lives for pleasure and self-indulgence is spiritually dead even while she still lives.
AMPC
Whereas she who lives in pleasure and self-gratification [giving herself up to luxury and self-indulgence] is dead even while she [still] lives.
BRG
But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.
CSB
however, she who is self-indulgent is dead even while she lives.
CSBA
however, she who is self-indulgent is dead even while she lives.
CEB
But a widow who tries to live a life of luxury is dead even while she is alive.
CJB
But the one who is self-indulgent is already dead, even though she lives.
CEV
A widow who thinks only about having a good time is already dead, even though she is still alive.
DARBY
But she that lives in habits of self-indulgence is dead [while] living.
DLNT
But the one living-indulgently is-dead while living.
DRA
For she that liveth in pleasures, is dead while she is living.
ERV
But the widow who uses her life to please herself is really dead while she is still living.
EASY
But some widows only want to enjoy themselves. For a widow like that, her spirit is already dead, even while she is still alive.
EHV
But the widow who lives only for her own pleasure is dead, even while she lives.
ESV
but she who is self-indulgent is dead even while she lives.
ESVUK
but she who is self-indulgent is dead even while she lives.
EXB
But the widow who ·uses her life to please herself [lives in luxury; is self-indulgent] is really dead while she is alive.
GNV
But she that liveth in pleasure, is dead, while she liveth.
GW
But the widow who lives for pleasure is dead although she is still alive.
GNT
But a widow who gives herself to pleasure has already died, even though she lives.
HCSB
however, she who is self-indulgent is dead even while she lives.
ICB
But the widow who uses her life to please herself is really dead while she is still living.
ISV
But the self-indulgent widow is just as good as dead.
 
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The FP would have us believe that Christ had to have come again spiritually very soon, they say is AD 70 or this passage makes no sense.
In this the Full Preterists are not correct. It was not a "spiritual" coming of Christ in AD 70. It was Christ's bodily return in AD 70 to the Mount of Olives location, just as Zechariah 14:4-5 had predicted. The OT and the NT are both replete with proof that this happened back in the first century.

Mt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
You call this a "vague verse", but it is anything but that. You are not including the Matt. 16:27 verse just before this one. Christ was going to return in the glory of His Father with the angels, to give rewards to all according to their works. And there would be some standing in front of Christ who would not physically die before they saw Christ bodily coming in His kingdom to perform these judgment actions. Nothing "vague" about this at all. It's pretty direct.
 

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That's another of the many inconsistencies with the prophecy (Matthew 24:21) and the 70 AD theory where Preterism declares the great tribulation of saints took place in 70 AD. Not only that, but that it was such as was not since the beginning of this world to that time, nor ever would be--as "required" by the Matthew 24 prophecy. An astounding declaration that it itself should invalidate the 70 AD theory.
Christ said the "days of vengeance" would come on the nation of Judea and Jerusalem in particular - not on the saints. The saints left Judea and Jerusalem in AD 66 in obedience to Christ's warning to flee to the mountains when they saw Jerusalem surrounded by armies. They didn't experience those "days of vengeance" aka the "great tribulation" of those AD 66-70 years. It was an unprecedented period of tribulation of a kind that would never again be duplicated, because the entire Satanic realm was imprisoned within the city of Jerusalem for the duration of the war. No city or nation ever experienced this either before or after that time.

Christ had warned His own "wicked and perverse generation" in Matt. 12:43-45 that the unclean spirits which He had cast out would return in seven-fold numbers more wicked than those He had cast out of Judea's citizens during His earthly ministry. This would make their "last state" (in the AD 66-70 years) worse than their first state when He had been among them. Jerusalem became a "habitation of devils and a prison for EVERY unclean spirit" (Rev. 18:2). Rampant demonic possession and oppression of a single city - never to be repeated again after that.
That "immediately" after the tribulation of those days the sun be darkened, when the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken, they struggle to account for.
Well, anything that could be "shaken" Hebrews 12: 27 said would be "removed". And Hebrews 12:26 said that God had "NOW" promised (in the days Hebrews was being written) to "shake not only the earth but also the heavens". The "powers of the heavens" being shaken and removed meant that God would "remove" from the world the wicked angelic hosts which had plagued mankind for millennia. It also meant the end of what is known as the "divine council" of righteous angels to whose supervision the world had been subjected until that time (such as the "Watchers" in Daniel 4:13). For the first-century Hebrews readers, the world that was coming would no longer be subjected to angels anymore (Heb. 2:5).

As for the sun being darkened, the moon not giving her light, and the stars falling from heaven, this is to be taken in the same sense as the vision John had in heaven of a woman clothed with the sun, and with the moon under her feet, and with a crown of twelve stars in Revelation 12:1. This woman was indicative of the faithful in Israel from whom the man-child Jesus would have genealogical descent. All of those symbols attached to the ethnic nation of Israel were "darkened", "did not give her light", and "fell from heaven" when the power of the holy people was shattered in AD 70 (as Daniel 12:7 predicted).