Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?

[Davidpt]

Correction: Full Preterists do NOT teach a bodily return of Christ in AD 70 to the Mount of Olives, (as the prophet Zechariah predicted during that siege period for Judah and Jerusalem). Most of the FP believe Christ Jesus abandoned His glorified body as He ascended to heaven in Acts 1, and existed from then onward only in the Spirit. This is patently false, as the Scriptures teach that Christ as our divine / human mediating Great High Priest still retains that glorified resurrected body in heaven that came out of the grave back in AD 33.

Speaking for myself I don't know everything FPs teach or not teach. All I know is, FP = bad not good. That aside. Do FPs then teach that this present age we are currently living in, that it never ends at some point, that it is never ending? In the event FPs don't teach this current age never ends at some point, what do they think causes it to end? And what do they think happens next, after this current age ends?

 

[HealthyShape]

Most of the FP believe Christ Jesus abandoned His glorified body as He ascended to heaven in Acts 1, and existed from then onward only in the Spirit.

I have never heard this in my life. What is your source?

 

[3 Resurrections]

Sweeping generalizations are kind of hard to respond to. You offer no evidence to your dictatorial conclusions. I can only assume that you did not read the dissertation or had already made up your mind before you studied non-preterists scholars.

But I did check the points the dissertation made, and found them to be the same as what I grew up with from childhood back in the 60's. The author with his alliance to Dallas Theological Seminary is operating from a pre-programmed viewpoint to make his assertions, which are backed by DTS's typical teaching. Of course they are going to be in agreement with each other. I notice that the author immediately directed his attention first of all to the so-called "external evidence" of a late date composition for Revelation. These statements of ancient men are immaterial, when they compete with the internal evidence of datable events and people in Revelation itself which clearly points to a date of composition somewhere between late AD 59-early AD 60. His arguments against the internal evidence of an early date for Revelation can be countered easily, though I don't have the time available in this comment to cover every point he tried to make. (Especially if you have said you will simply ignore it. )

The author of this dissertation was refuting Dr. Kenneth Gentry's date, which I also refute, because it is not early enough. I find problems with Dr. Gentry's method of proving an early date. His use of gematria is not needed or even applicable to the 666 number, since this is referring to the number of years the Sea Beast had existed. Gentry's interpretation of Rev. 17's "kings" as Roman emperors is also incorrect. Those "kings of the earth" were the 8 high priests of the house of Annas instead. Gentry is also incorrect as to which tribulation period John was participating in, which was the tribulation in Asia following the AD 57 Ephesian riot. I did not offer proof of these early-date points of evidence because I have done so multiple times on this site before, and could duplicate the evidence again (if requested).

 

[3 Resurrections]

I have never heard this in my life. What is your source?

The "grandfather" of the Full Preterist movement (Don K. Preston) has taught this in his "Morning Musings" podcasts. He is echoed in this belief by Michael Miano of the Blue Point Bible Church. These leaders in the Full Preterist group mistakenly believe that Christ discarded and set aside His glorified body once He ascended to heaven in Acts 1, so that Christ Jesus since that time in AD 33 has no longer existed in that glorified resurrected body which came out of the grave. This idea goes totally against the teaching of Hebrews which tells us that Christ "continueth ever" and "ever liveth" in that same glorified, resurrected body, just like the deathless Melchizedek, so that He can be a merciful and faithful high priest representative for us in heaven before the Father.

 

[WPM]

Exactly so. God brought judgment already on Israel back during the AD 66-70 years as the fulfillment of the "Song of Moses" ("the Lord shall judge His people" - Deut. 32:36). Both the dead and the living were judged, just as Paul told Timothy a judgment of the living and the dead was "about to" take place at that time (2 Tim. 4:1 - written around AD 67). But since then, there is destined to be yet another Great White throne judgment in our future at the third coming of Christ, when all the people of the nations who have lived and died under the New Covenant conditions will also face the last Great White Throne judgment.

It's just as you have noted Solomon writing - "what has been will be again".

Your fixation with the coming of Titus, ancient Jerusalem, ethnic Israel, and AD70 is nauseating.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Speaking for myself I don't know everything FPs teach or not teach. All I know is, FP = bad not good. That aside. Do FPs then teach that this present age we are currently living in, that it never ends at some point, that it is never ending? In the event FPs don't teach this current age never ends at some point, what do they think causes it to end? And what do they think happens next, after this current age ends?

I agree that some of the Full Preterist teaching is bad, but as with all viewpoints, some of their teaching is also good and agrees with Scripture. I try not to throw the baby out with the bath water.

I would say that the majority of the Full Preterists teach that this world will NOT have a future culmination point with a judgment that concludes fallen mankind's history. Most FP think that human history will continue perpetually with normal human procreation as usual into eternity. In this I totally disagree. Every bit of Scripture symbolism teaches a wrapping-up process where God gets the last word in completely purifying His original creation. Except it will not be the "second coming" (which has already occurred back in AD 70) but instead will be a final THIRD coming of Christ in our future to bring to an end the presence of all human wickedness on this planet in a final Great White Throne judgment and resurrection.

 

[HealthyShape]

The "grandfather" of the Full Preterist movement (Don K. Preston) has taught this in his "Morning Musings" podcasts. He is echoed in this belief by Michael Miano of the Blue Point Bible Church. These leaders in the Full Preterist group mistakenly believe that Christ discarded and set aside His glorified body once He ascended to heaven in Acts 1, so that Christ Jesus since that time in AD 33 has no longer existed in that glorified resurrected body which came out of the grave. This idea goes totally against the teaching of Hebrews which tells us that Christ "continueth ever" and "ever liveth" in that same glorified, resurrected body, just like the deathless Melchizedek, so that He can be a merciful and faithful high priest representative for us in heaven before the Father.

But what is your source that the most of the FPs believe this? Two people is not exactly a high number.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Your fixation with the coming of Titus, ancient Jerusalem, ethnic Israel, and AD70 is nauseating.

Well, I find it nauseating that people are still fixated on teaching that our current generation will suffer all those disasters of Revelation in our future, when Scripture teaches us that they have already been fulfilled in the distant past during the first century and are no longer a threat to us. This is fear-mongering at its worst. God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, love, and a sound mind.

What our current generation is facing is the transition from the 6th millennium over to the next 7th millennium of fallen mankind's history on this planet (which begins in 2033). Naturally, it is a tumultuous period, as transitions usually are. We have a long way to go yet before Christ's next third coming, but Christ's kingdom in this world, as promised, will continue to grow just like leaven, the mustard seed, and the "rock" kingdom which will eventually fill the whole world with its effects. Our task as believers to participate in this growth of the kingdom of heaven has not changed since Christ gave the "Great Commission" to the disciples.

 

[3 Resurrections]

But what is your source that the most of the FPs believe this? Two people is not exactly a high number.

All can testify to is my own experience with what I have read online of Full Preterist forums and teachers, and what I have encountered in real life over the past 13 years of studying the views of various Preterist positions. I have recently been attending a small assembly with a Full Preterist leader, and they also teach that the world will have no culmination point, but will continue perpetually as it has been, with no Great White Throne judgment in our future. I have gently tried to counter this belief during discussions with the church leader, whom I greatly respect for their spirit of earnest, honest searching for the truth. God has been patient with correcting and teaching me over the years, and I can do no less.

 

[Muna]

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Romans 3 and 4 are good to study about sin

Abraham Justified by Faith​

1 What then shall we say that Abraham our father[a] has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was [b]accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted [c]as grace but as debt.

David Celebrates the Same Truth​

5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

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Those to whom God will not impute to them their sin, are preserved spiritually alive, they live to God.
God is at work in them to bring them to Himself.
What a blessed state of such a person. that even though sinful, God does not hold it against them, he forgets their sins.

That is genuine grace and favor from Him to you.
Why even your believing in His Son is His gift in that He has granted that you will believe.

Philippians 1
27 Only let your conduct be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of your affairs, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel, 28 and not in any way terrified by your adversaries, which is to them a proof of perdition, but [f]to you of salvation, and that from God. 29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake, 30 having the same conflict which you saw in me and now hear is in me.
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Jesus teaches us how this works out in our lives in John 6, the flesh profits nothing, it is the Spirit who gives life.
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43 Jesus therefore answered and said to them, [h]“Do not murmur among yourselves. 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who [i]has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. 46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father. 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes [j]in Me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”

52 The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?”

53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is [k]food indeed, and My blood is [l]drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”

59 These things He said in the synagogue as He taught in Capernaum.

Many Disciples Turn Away​

60 Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a [m]hard saying; who can understand it?”

61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples [n]complained about this, He said to them, “Does this [o]offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”

66 From that time many of His disciples went [p]back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”

68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the [q]Christ, the Son of the living God.”

70 Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?” 71 He spoke of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, for it was he who would betray Him, being one of the twelve.

I appreciate your response, and i do not disagree with any of the scriptures you have posted in the above but I don't believe these in particular settle my doubt. But I also did not want to put you on the spot to answer for this doubt I have in me concerning it. This is definitely one I have picked p and put down quite a few times, and its still not settled for me, but I am okay with setting things aside and returning to them time and again until its far more clearer to me.

I'll leave it at that for now

 

[Bladerunner]

There are so many different sects its hard to nail full preterism down however they almost all deny a literal future resurrection of the believer and the future second coming of Jesus Christ

I see the majority of (Full Preterist) claiming the resurrection of believers is seen when a person accepts salvation and they are raised from the dead spiritually

I see the majority of (Full Preterist) claiming the second coming of Jesus Christ takes place at a person's individual personal death, when their soul goes to be with the Lord

Conclusion: Full Preterism is a false heretical cult in denial of a future literal resurrection of the believer and a future literal second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, just a few dishonorable mentions there are several

First and foremost one has to be certain that al events of Rev was during the 1st century. That there will be no Millennium (1,000 years) on earth (Kingdom of Heaven) with Jesus in charge. Certain that the reason is not against the 2 plans of God of Jews and Gentiles. If there is no tribulations as the angel Gabriel gave Daniel concerning Jesus Christ. How can on truly believe if they cannot believe what He authored.

 

[Truth7t7]

First and foremost one has to be certain that al events of Rev was during the 1st century.

The second coming of Jesus Christ, the resurrection and final judgement of all are seen in multiple places in the book of revelation, these are future events unfulfilled

 

[rwb]

Correction: Full Preterists do NOT teach a bodily return of Christ in AD 70 to the Mount of Olives, (as the prophet Zechariah predicted during that siege period for Judah and Jerusalem). Most of the FP believe Christ Jesus abandoned His glorified body as He ascended to heaven in Acts 1, and existed from then onward only in the Spirit. This is patently false, as the Scriptures teach that Christ as our divine / human mediating Great High Priest still retains that glorified resurrected body in heaven that came out of the grave back in AD 33.

Of course, FP don't teach a bodily return of Christ! Since a bodily return in AD 70 did not happen, as I've said, FP must dream up a spiritual return of Christ then! That's one of the problems with FP doctrine. There was no return of Christ spiritually or bodily in AD 70! What there was is exactly as Christ said, JUDGMENT of God!

 

[3 Resurrections]

There was no return of Christ spiritually or bodily in AD 70! What there was is exactly as Christ said, JUDGMENT of God!

Then you totally disregard Paul's testimony in 2 Timothy 4:1 (YLT).

"I do fully testify, then, before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who is ABOUT TO JUDGE living AND DEAD at his manifestation and his reign..."

Paul was writing this just before his martyrdom in AD 67. You apparently agree that judgment of God of some kind took place in AD 70, but Paul wrote that this judgment would include both the living and the dead at Christ's appearing, which was on the near horizon as Paul was writing to Timothy.

You are also disregarding James' testimony in James 5:8 (NKJV).

"You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand. Do not grumble against one another, brethren, lest you be condemned. Behold, the JUDGE is standing at the door."

James was calling his own time frame "the last days" in James 5:3. "You have heaped up treasure in the last days." Christ's "at hand" coming and a judgment was on the near horizon in those "last days" of James' own time. Paul also agreed with Christ bringing this imminent judgment on the world in his testimony to those on Mars Hill in Acts 17:31 (YLT). "Because He did set a day in which He is ABOUT TO JUDGE the world in righteousness, by a man whom He did ordain..."

All the NT writers, including Christ's witness, unanimously testified concerning this imminent coming and judgment which the returning Christ would bring with Him in the last days taking place in that first-century generation.

 

[HealthyShape]

There was no return of Christ spiritually or bodily in AD 70!

"Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
Mt 24:30

"There were also many prodigies seen in the heavens; among which were these:—there was a very great light seen in the heavens, and as it were the figure of a sword; and there were the voices of men sounded in the air."
Antiquities of the Jews, Book 17, Chapter 10

For before sunset there appeared in the air a great multitude of armed men, in proportion as they thought; and as they maintained, these were seen to fight one another; and the noise of them was as of trumpets, and there were also heard a great noise as of a multitude. And they were so plainly seen by many, that the report of it went abroad through the city."
Book 6, Chapter 5, section 4

There had been seen hosts joining battle in the skies, the fiery gleam of arms, the temple illuminated by a sudden radiance from the clouds.
The doors of the inner shrine were suddenly thrown open, and a voice of more than mortal tone was heard to cry that the Gods were departing. At the same instant there was a mighty stir as of departure.
Tacitus, The Histories, book 5

"A most strange and prodigious thing appeared; for upon the first day of the siege, there appeared to many men in the city, as they were looking upwards, something like a light of a continuing flame, and of a great and bright blaze;
and this they say, continued for an entire day, and shone exceedingly; yet it was not near them, but distant; and it was in the air, and of a round compass: and some saw it to be of a small compass, and in manner of a round circle,
but others that were at a distance, say it was of a long length; and some say it made a noise in the air, as of a trumpet; and some say it moved up and down, and some say they saw it to be in the southern quarter."
The Jewish War, Book 6, Chapter 5, Section 3

The sign of the cross in the skies, angelic armies, trumpets, power, glory... what more do you want?

 

[rwb]

"Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
Mt 24:30

"There were also many prodigies seen in the heavens; among which were these:—there was a very great light seen in the heavens, and as it were the figure of a sword; and there were the voices of men sounded in the air."
Antiquities of the Jews, Book 17, Chapter 10

For before sunset there appeared in the air a great multitude of armed men, in proportion as they thought; and as they maintained, these were seen to fight one another; and the noise of them was as of trumpets, and there were also heard a great noise as of a multitude. And they were so plainly seen by many, that the report of it went abroad through the city."
Book 6, Chapter 5, section 4

There had been seen hosts joining battle in the skies, the fiery gleam of arms, the temple illuminated by a sudden radiance from the clouds.
The doors of the inner shrine were suddenly thrown open, and a voice of more than mortal tone was heard to cry that the Gods were departing. At the same instant there was a mighty stir as of departure.
Tacitus, The Histories, book 5

"A most strange and prodigious thing appeared; for upon the first day of the siege, there appeared to many men in the city, as they were looking upwards, something like a light of a continuing flame, and of a great and bright blaze;
and this they say, continued for an entire day, and shone exceedingly; yet it was not near them, but distant; and it was in the air, and of a round compass: and some saw it to be of a small compass, and in manner of a round circle,
but others that were at a distance, say it was of a long length; and some say it made a noise in the air, as of a trumpet; and some say it moved up and down, and some say they saw it to be in the southern quarter."
The Jewish War, Book 6, Chapter 5, Section 3

The sign of the cross in the skies, angelic armies, trumpets, power, glory... what more do you want?

Matthew 24:30 (KJV) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matthew 24:31 (KJV) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Whether there was or was not something amazing seen in the sky according to Jewish historians is irrelevant, because they cannot BIBLICALLY PROVE what they allege! Not only will there be visible signs of the Son of man in heaven coming in the clouds, but it is also written that His angels will "gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." You cling to the writings of unbelieving Jewish historians, and even they are utterly silent when it comes to the meat of the prophesy concerning ALL that shall visibly take place with the coming again of the Son of man.

 

[HealthyShape]

Matthew 24:30 (KJV) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matthew 24:31 (KJV) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Whether there was or was not something amazing seen in the sky according to Jewish historians is irrelevant, because they cannot BIBLICALLY PROVE what they allege! Not only will there be visible signs of the Son of man in heaven coming in the clouds, but it is also written that His angels will "gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." You cling to the writings of unbelieving Jewish historians, and even they are utterly silent when it comes to the meat of the prophesy concerning ALL that shall visibly take place with the coming again of the Son of man.

Have you thought about that you may simply misunderstand the prophecies?

It is always history that says what prophecies meant, not us. Jews also did not recognize Christ, because they did not understand what the prophecies were actually saying about Him.

 

[rwb]

Then you totally disregard Paul's testimony in 2 Timothy 4:1 (YLT).

"I do fully testify, then, before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who is ABOUT TO JUDGE living AND DEAD at his manifestation and his reign..."

This is selectively reading verses out of context. Include verse 2 where Paul shows us how both the dead and the living are judged as the gospel of the Kingdom of God is PREACHED! Man is NOW (since Christ came to earth a man) being judged according to how we respond to the GOSPEL proclaimed. When the Lord Jesus Christ appears the second and final time, the living, or those who have been born again shall be resurrected immortal & incorruptible body of flesh, and the dead, those who remain in unbelief shall also be bodily resurrected for damnation.

2 Timothy 4:1-2 (KJV) I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

Christ, Who is the Word of God is proclaimed on earth through His Gospel, and whosoever hears and believes through the power of God in them have already been judged for eternal (spiritual) life and shall not suffer the second death (LOF). Those who hear and remain in unbelief are already judged also for damnation and if they continue to live and die in unbelieve, they shall suffer a second death that is the lake of fire.

John 3:16-18 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

2 Corinthians 2:16-17 (KJV) To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

Romans 1:16-18 (KJV) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

You are also disregarding James' testimony in James 5:8 (NKJV).

"You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand. Do not grumble against one another, brethren, lest you be condemned. Behold, the JUDGE is standing at the door."

James 5:7 (KJV) Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.
James 5:8 (KJV) Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

James 5:19-20 (KJV) Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Mark 1:15 (KJV) And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Why do you suppose we are called to be patient as we wait for the "precious fruit of the earth"? The first advent of Christ ushered in the Kingdom of God, that's how entrance into the Kingdom of God is at hand, or ready for whosoever believes the Gospel of the Kingdom of God according to the power of grace and Holy Spirit now have (since the advent of Christ) entrance into the Kingdom of God, that is a spiritual (not physical) Kingdom if heaven. Because the Kingdom of God is NOT of this world, is NOT visible, because the Kingdom of God is within whosoever believes. It is in this manner that Christ and His Kingdom is at hand, and draws near. Entrance int the Kingdom of God is but the Gospel proclaimed away from whosoever hears and believes.

 

[rwb]

Have you thought about that you may simply misunderstand the prophecies?

It is always history that says what prophecies meant, not us. Jews also did not recognize Christ, because they did not understand what the prophecies were actually saying about Him.

History only recognizes prophecies physically fulfilled! Historical record does NOT recognize SPIRITUAL fulfillment of what is written in the Word of God, especially if those recording history are in unbelief!

 

[Truth7t7]

There was no return of Christ spiritually or bodily in AD 70! What there was is exactly as Christ said, JUDGMENT of God!

Where does scripture state that 70AD Jerusalem and Roman soldiers is a judgement of God, im fully aware that reformed theology makes the claim, where is it?