John 6 Was Jesus speaking literally

[NayborBear]

If you need to work that hard to explain away what is clearly written then you need to examine why. I'll challenge you like I've challenged the others who have failed miserably btw, show evidence that your understanding of Scripture is the authoritative understanding.

Believe it or not dude? I "was" such a skeptic AS you are at this present time in your "Pilgrimage!" Seeking, asking, and yes? Much like that which you are doing? "DEMANDING Authoritative Understanding!"
And? Much like that which you are so embraced in? Which is very much "like" the Disciple of Christ; Thomas?
Would "accept" nothing short of Miracles!
Such as healing the sick, making those blind see, the casting of demons etc.!

Because I "believe" nedsk, deep down in your heart and spirit (the "flesh mind" being the greater enemy in this pilgrimage), that "you sense" there is much more to "Christianity" than "that which is proceeding from the pulpits! (=Churchianity)"
To which I define churchianity as "milk eaters converting those deemed lost, and teaching them to become ONLY milk eaters", which is alright, as far as that goes (except for the ONLY part). And THIS is where "churchianitists" start their "compromising" by making the (truly) righteous sad, while..........Well? All's I am doing is paraphrasing what Jehovah dictated to the Prophet Ezekiel here:
Ezekiel 13: (KJV)
21 Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:

Anyway, there comes a time, and SHALL BE a time (to come) when "those/these" of that which is of "common salvation" SHALL be "confronted" with the dictation that Jehovah had the Prophet Isaiah write/record:
Isaiah 28: (KJV)
17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.

I don't know that which needs be done/overcome by you. (1 Peter 2:5)
But by your "pressing on to the High Calling of God in (through) Christ?

Some day? Some time? When you "LEAST" EXPECT IT?"
Someone will come into you: smile, and say something to the effect:
"WELCOME TO FOREVER LAND!"
Now? As the cliche goes?:
The proverbial ball is in YOUR court!

I CAN tell you this also!
The ONLY thing you'll want Him to do?
Is STOP!

 

[nedsk]

Believe it or not dude? I "was" such a skeptic AS you are at this present time in your "Pilgrimage!" Seeking, asking, and yes? Much like that which you are doing? "DEMANDING Authoritative Understanding!"
And? Much like that which you are so embraced in? Which is very much "like" the Disciple of Christ; Thomas?
Would "accept" nothing short of Miracles!
Such as healing the sick, making those blind see, the casting of demons etc.!

Because I "believe" nedsk, deep down in your heart and spirit (the "flesh mind" being the greater enemy in this pilgrimage), that "you sense" there is much more to "Christianity" than "that which is proceeding from the pulpits! (=Churchianity)"
To which I define churchianity as "milk eaters converting those deemed lost, and teaching them to become ONLY milk eaters", which is alright, as far as that goes (except for the ONLY part). And THIS is where "churchianitists" start their "compromising" by making the (truly) righteous sad, while..........Well? All's I am doing is paraphrasing what Jehovah dictated to the Prophet Ezekiel here:
Ezekiel 13: (KJV)
21 Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:

Anyway, there comes a time, and SHALL BE a time (to come) when "those/these" of that which is of "common salvation" SHALL be "confronted" with the dictation that Jehovah had the Prophet Isaiah write/record:
Isaiah 28: (KJV)
17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.

I don't know that which needs be done/overcome by you. (1 Peter 2:5)
But by your "pressing on to the High Calling of God in (through) Christ?

Some day? Some time? When you "LEAST" EXPECT IT?"
Someone will come into you: smile, and say something to the effect:
"WELCOME TO FOREVER LAND!"
Now? As the cliche goes?:
The proverbial ball is in YOUR court!

I CAN tell you this also!
The ONLY thing you'll want Him to do?
Is STOP!

I'm not a skeptic. I take Jesus at his word. You go an awfully long wat to try and convince me Jesus didnt mean what he clearly said and do so without any evidence that your understanding of what he said is authoritative.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I did prove you wrong

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Its obvious you do not understand the basics of discussing the word.

to prove me wrong you would have to go to the passage, and show in the passage where I was wrong

You have failed miserably in this task.

You want to try again, I am a patioent person. I can post John 6 one more time and show everything that jesus said and you can prove me wrong?

but that's irrelevant. You're claiming a superior understanding of Scripture that you can't prove you have. You're telling me it's superior but that's not convincing but you don't seem to know what else to do, so you repeat yourself. That's not evidence of superior or authoritative understanding of Scripture. If you can't understand this then why would I listen to you about Scripture?

I never claimed anything, Now your just talking and side stepping the issue

1. I showed you what the passage said
2. I asked you why Jesus said what he said when he did not mean it
3. You did not answer
4. You said your church has the answers
5. I asked you to have your church show me the answer
6. You have yet to provide any answers from your church.

so..


one more time I give you another chance.

why did Jesus say everyone who ate this food would receive (not might receive) all he promised. when it is not true?

 

[NayborBear]

I'm not a skeptic. I take Jesus at his word. You go an awfully long wat to try and convince me Jesus didnt mean what he clearly said and do so without any evidence that your understanding of what he said is authoritative.

Well then? If "this" be the case?
You would have to be one of those who are "WILLINGLY IGNORANT?"
And/or? Have allowed the adversary in the "stealing" away of even the sense God gave a piss ant!
(edit)
Apparently? Your "daddy" has kept hidden the "memo" hidden from your blind eyes!
Satan is going: DOWN!
Don't get much more authoritative then that!

(and?)
I'm out!

 

[nedsk]

Its obvious you do not understand the basics of discussing the word.

to prove me wrong you would have to go to the passage, and show in the passage where I was wrong

You have failed miserably in this task.

You want to try again, I am a patioent person. I can post John 6 one more time and show everything that jesus said and you can prove me wrong?

I never claimed anything, Now your just talking and side stepping the issue

1. I showed you what the passage said
2. I asked you why Jesus said what he said when he did not mean it
3. You did not answer
4. You said your church has the answers
5. I asked you to have your church show me the answer
6. You have yet to provide any answers from your church.

so..


one more time I give you another chance.

why did Jesus say everyone who ate this food would receive (not might receive) all he promised. when it is not true?
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[nedsk]

Its obvious you do not understand the basics of discussing the word.

to prove me wrong you would have to go to the passage, and show in the passage where I was wrong

You have failed miserably in this task.

You want to try again, I am a patioent person. I can post John 6 one more time and show everything that jesus said and you can prove me wrong?

I never claimed anything, Now your just talking and side stepping the issue

1. I showed you what the passage said
2. I asked you why Jesus said what he said when he did not mean it
3. You did not answer
4. You said your church has the answers
5. I asked you to have your church show me the answer
6. You have yet to provide any answers from your church.

so..


one more time I give you another chance.

why did Jesus say everyone who ate this food would receive (not might receive) all he promised. when it is not true?

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Still no evidence

 

[nedsk]

Well then? If "this" be the case?
You would have to be one of those who are "WILLINGLY IGNORANT?"
And/or? Have allowed the adversary in the "stealing" away of even the sense God gave a piss ant!

Look I'm happy to listen to you but you have to give me a reason why I should listen to you. Thus far none of you have done so

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm not a skeptic. I take Jesus at his word.

Then why do you call Jesus a liar?

The words of Jesus



In black is the command

In blue is what the one who follows the command will receive



27 Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, ,

Command – Labor for this food that Jesus came to give

Result – The food will endure forever


33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

What is this food?

He who comes down from heaven

Result – Life is offered to the world


35: “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.

Jesus is the one who came down from heaven He is the bread of life

Command: Come to him –

Result. You will never hunger

Command – Believe

Result – Never thirst


the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.

Command – Come to me

Result – You will never be cast out


39: that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.

Fact – All who are given to God

Result – Will never be lost, and will be raised on the last day


40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

Command – See and believe

Result – You will live forever and you will be raised on the last day


47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

Command – Believe in him

Result – You will live forever (eternal life)


50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die.

Command – Eat the bread

Result – you will never die

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever;

Command – Eat this bread

Result – Live forever


and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”


What is this bread? My life I give

Result – Life of the world

53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you.

Command – Fail to eat the flesh and blood (the bread)

Result – you have no life in you (your dead)


54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

Command – Eat my flesh and blood (the bread)

Result – You will live forever (eternal life) and you will be raised on the last day


56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.

Command Eat my flesh and drink my bood

Result – You will abide in him, and he will abide in you. As he lives you will live also


57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me.

Command – Feed on him

Result – You will live


58: He who eats this bread will live forever.”.

Command – Eat this bread

Result – You will live forever


Jesus came to give life. He said whoever eats this bread (feeds on him ) will get life. So what is it that gives life?


Jesus answers this also

62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

• Jesus said he was the bread sent down from heave
• Jesus asked, what if you see him ascend back to heaven (which many of them would in the future after his death)
• The thing that gives life (the food, the bread, the flesh and blood) is given by the spirit.
• The food which gives life ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPEAKS as given by the spirit

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Look I'm happy to listen to you but you have to give me a reason why I should listen to you. Thus far none of you have done so

no,

All we have to do is look to the word.

Your not giving us any reason to listen to you.. your being a hypocrite.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Well then? If "this" be the case?
You would have to be one of those who are "WILLINGLY IGNORANT?"
And/or? Have allowed the adversary in the "stealing" away of even the sense God gave a piss ant!

he is just repeating the catholic response.

Only their priests have authority..

He is pleading the case which he can not even answer. because he can not even know the truth.

 

[nedsk]

Then why do you call Jesus a liar?

The words of Jesus



In black is the command

In blue is what the one who follows the command will receive



27 Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, ,

Command – Labor for this food that Jesus came to give

Result – The food will endure forever


33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

What is this food?

He who comes down from heaven

Result – Life is offered to the world


35: “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.

Jesus is the one who came down from heaven He is the bread of life

Command: Come to him –

Result. You will never hunger

Command – Believe

Result – Never thirst


the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.

Command – Come to me

Result – You will never be cast out


39: that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.

Fact – All who are given to God

Result – Will never be lost, and will be raised on the last day


40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

Command – See and believe

Result – You will live forever and you will be raised on the last day


47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

Command – Believe in him

Result – You will live forever (eternal life)


50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die.

Command – Eat the bread

Result – you will never die

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever;

Command – Eat this bread

Result – Live forever


and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”


What is this bread? My life I give

Result – Life of the world

53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you.

Command – Fail to eat the flesh and blood (the bread)

Result – you have no life in you (your dead)


54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

Command – Eat my flesh and blood (the bread)

Result – You will live forever (eternal life) and you will be raised on the last day


56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.

Command Eat my flesh and drink my bood

Result – You will abide in him, and he will abide in you. As he lives you will live also


57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me.

Command – Feed on him

Result – You will live


58: He who eats this bread will live forever.”.

Command – Eat this bread

Result – You will live forever


Jesus came to give life. He said whoever eats this bread (feeds on him ) will get life. So what is it that gives life?


Jesus answers this also

62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

• Jesus said he was the bread sent down from heave
• Jesus asked, what if you see him ascend back to heaven (which many of them would in the future after his death)
• The thing that gives life (the food, the bread, the flesh and blood) is given by the spirit.
• The food which gives life ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPEAKS as given by the spirit

You STILL don't understand do you? You don't speak with any authority on matters of scripture. You have to show that anything you declare in regards to the scripture is authoritative.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Still no evidence

still no evidence or answer to counter me

dude, I am not here to convince you. You show you will never listen to anyone. I am hear to expose the truth so others do not call for your deception

 

[nedsk]

no,

All we have to do is look to the word.

Your not giving us any reason to listen to you.. your being a hypocrite.

I did, eat my flesh and drink my blood for my flesh is REAL food and my bolls is REAL drink. You aren't arguing with me friend.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You STILL don't understand do you? You don't speak with any authority on matters of scripture. You have to show that anything you declare in regards to the scripture is authoritative.

yes, I understand totally

You can not answer me because you do not know

You can not help by getting answers from your church. because they can not answer me either

your just a little kid mocking..

but its good. I have thoroughly exposed your indoctrination

 

[nedsk]

still no evidence or answer to counter me

dude, I am not here to convince you. You show you will never listen to anyone. I am hear to expose the truth so others do not call for your deception

What need do I have to counter your opinion. Your opinion is your opinion. You're entitled to it but you don't speak authoritatively. Is that really this hard for you to accept?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I did, eat my flesh and drink my blood for my flesh is REAL food and my bolls is REAL drink. You aren't arguing with me friend.

Again, why did you not get everything jesus promised you the moment you ate it

If you say you ate it, that's great, I am proud of you.

Now why do you not get everything Jesus promised?

 

[nedsk]

yes, I understand totally

You can not answer me because you do not know

You can not help by getting answers from your church. because they can not answer me either

your just a little kid mocking..

but its good. I have thoroughly exposed your indoctrination

Just show proof you speak authoritatively about Scripture. Can you do that? It's seems not.

 

[nedsk]

Again, why did you not get everything jesus promised you the moment you ate it

If you say you ate it, that's great, I am proud of you.

Now why do you not get everything Jesus promised?

Still nothing showing you speak authoritatively

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What need do I have to counter your opinion. Your opinion is your opinion. You're entitled to it but you don't speak authoritatively. Is that really this hard for you to accept?

lol.. what a joke..

You opened this thread based on a false precept (its an OSAS issue)

and have been proven to be in error. and totally unable to back your own words.

your the one with issues not me I did not open this thread. so I do nto have to prove my opinion.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Just show proof you speak authoritatively about Scripture. Can you do that? It's seems not.

Or you can show me the answers from ANYOPNE who has authority?

the fact you can not shows you can;t