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The “Files”…I presume are a multi-agency effort…

Meaning…it is not limited to Epstein's “questionable lewd preferences and behaviors”…

But also includes … anyone he EVER associated with…

Epstein hob-nobbed socially, with hundreds of well known persons from all walks of life…
Politicos, Celebrities, Mobsters, Wealthy, Businessmen and street girls looking for a ride to increase their wealth and maybe fame.

Epstein himself was looking for a ride to increase his wealth….and hatched a plan of recruiting and paying chump change to recruiters who were elevated to being recruiters…
(The good ole’ reliable tried and true Ponzi scheme. )

Now, years later… the public is Demanding “they” be informed of a list of “EVERY person Epstein EVER associated with.”

Why?

Will dates of association be revealed?
Will purpose of association be revealed?
Will associations severed be revealed?
Will victims (who hold the right to anonymity) be released?
Will Epstein’s private encounters with his recruits and recruiters, in multiple homes, in NY., Fl., NM., Named Hotels, Little St. James Island, Vacations Spots Of Others Ownership…be Released?

Fact is: I could care less who or what Epstein was, liked or was associated with.

Fact is: A list of NAMES “means nothing”.

Fact is: in this Nation, anyone claiming to BE a Victim of assault, abuse, etc. has a legal recourse to file a lawful complaint, and proceed with the legalities involved with such charges.

Fact is: the so call “news” is hot on board…with Daily lending a ear to “females victim complaints”…regarding a man who has Been Dead for 6 years.

And? Living men, being Accused? Again, where were and are the claims of Legally Filed Charges?

Total Distraction, from actual news that has an affect on citizens daily lives.

Take away. Teach your daughters it is fishy for any stranger to want a “private massage” from an “unskilled, female”!
Well I couldn't help but notice that you're gaslighting yourself here. And not to mention being very glib and dismissive and unconcerned about the victims.....vulnerable young school girls who you frame as being "streetwalkers". Including those young girls who continue to be lured and fall victim to these rich, powerful, manipulative and incontinent men. Dangerous men shouldn't be left to just walk around with impunity and free to keep destroying more lives, one would think.
 

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Well I couldn't help but notice that you're gaslighting yourself here. And not to mention being very glib and dismissive and unconcerned about the victims.....vulnerable young school girls who you frame as being "streetwalkers". Including those young girls who continue to be lured and fall victim to these rich, powerful, manipulative and incontinent men. Dangerous men shouldn't be left to just walk around with impunity and free to keep destroying more lives, one would think.
Billionaires do not think the way we think. I been around these people. They are meticulous, private, and detailed and know the laws. The statute of limitations has run out. Saying names doesn't mean anything, because anybody can accuse anyone of anything; you have to have proof, otherwise you can be sued for defamation of character. I do want them to have the satisfaction to "out" the ones who did the abuse. They need something to prove they were together besides, "I said so". More power to these women, I hope they get their due.
 
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What is stopping him from opening up the files?
If he was no part of it, why not open the whole thing and get it over with!?
Yet again i think this is all part of the dog and pony show .
I truly beleive we are all being entertained , distracted , led astray by all of this stuff .
I beleive the neutral one cometh
and as the neutral solution has been at work , this one will seem to appease BOTH sides .
WILL COME in as though he is neither left or right
and yet Will bring in the complete the same agenda that was done by both sides .
THE MISSION IS A ONE WORLD LOVE , A ONE WORLD LOVE RELIGOIN that can unite all
with the solutions that will appease both sides .
Even now it is amongst us and has worked amongst us .
SOON many will kneel before it . IT will not claim to be political
and it will not claim any particular religon either , IT WILL claim to Be something else .
THIS SOMETHING ELSE both sides are already under its influence and yet KNOW IT NOT .
IT is commonly called LOVE and even claimed to be the LOVE OF GOD .
BUT IT AINT LOVE AND IT AINT GOD . its the devil making ready all peoples , tribes , tongues , ,kings and peasants
presidents and common man READY FOR ITS FINAL SOLUTION .
WE are being DECIEVED and allured . AND i am tellng us all IT IS BIBLE TIME . WE MUST get back into those pages
and SERVE THE LORD , TRUST IN HIM , learn of HIM and test all men .
 
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Well I couldn't help but notice that you're gaslighting yourself here. And not to mention being very glib and dismissive and unconcerned about the victims.....vulnerable young school girls who you frame as being "streetwalkers". Including those young girls who continue to be lured and fall victim to these rich, powerful, manipulative and incontinent men. Dangerous men shouldn't be left to just walk around with impunity and free to keep destroying more lives, one would think.
soon the neutral one will arrive . Even now it has been at work amongst both sides and all realms .
It is preaching something that can unite them and bring them into finding common ground .
IT will not come in as though its of the left or the right
And it will not come in as though its of one religoin either . IT will do as its unifying force has been
doing all along .
IT will unify them , have them find common ground .
Preach solutions that ALL SIDES WILL AGREE UPON .
But all of this will work only to the DESTRUCTION of mankind and of this world .
And many will be bedazzled by it , as even now they are being led into its common love
its common ground and its solution .
The solution was TO MERGE and TO UNIFY this people . And it knew how to do this .
You must break down and remove any barriers , aka fundamental belifes and doctrines .
OF the false and yes EVEN of christendom .
It preaches a love that the false can relate too . any and all who are of the world
can relate to its love . but its love is of the world . even atheists can relate to its love .
But its LOVE IS NOT OF GOD . and it will take all not in the lambs book of life .
YES . Even now we see muslims headed right into it , jews , buddists , atheists , and even many in christendom .
And its a love that will merge them and unify them . NOT IN DOCTRINE , but in its love , its version of love
and its love IS OF ANTI CHRIST . ITS LOVE IS of the world and its father is the dragon .
 
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Yet again i think this is all part of the dog and pony show .
I truly beleive we are all being entertained , distracted , led astray by all of this stuff .
Actually, the victims are real and the highest level perps (including Trump) are being protected from exposure. Trump's personal aircraft was completely overhauled in 2021/2022 in preparation for this time. His aircraft smelled of human excrement. I know this because I know the people who worked on his plane. The only other plane they worked on that smelled of human excrement was the US Marshall plane which is used to transport people, usually in cages/behind bars.
 

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Well I couldn't help but notice that you're gaslighting yourself here.

Not possible.

And not to mention being very glib and dismissive and unconcerned about the victims.....

Being a “A victim” 15 - 25 + years ago, is a Long time to to continue holding that status, often willingly, returning, participating in the scheme, to then pretend the continued participation, the Recruiting, was a decision of naivety.

vulnerable young school girls who you frame as being "streetwalkers"

Young “school girls” were Not “primarily” solicited at Schools by Adult men Of Epstein’s associates.

School aged “Victims”…experiencing “the trade of Money for Sexual encounters”…were the primary “solicitors” “Recruiters” in the “scheme”.

Including those young girls who continue to be lured and fall victim to these rich, powerful, manipulative and incontinent men. Dangerous men shouldn't be left to just walk around with impunity and free to keep destroying more lives, one would think.

Well aware, young and old alike, have ears that perk up when “easy money”, “freebie travels”, “exotic adventures”…tickles their ears.

If “young girls” did not “know better”…did they run to their Mother and tell her of the “exciting Offer” of wealthy men wanting a young inexperienced girl to administer Body massages to them?

And why NOW… 20+ years later they want What? Reparations? More money? Someone else to be accountable for their own Dumb Decisions?

I do have Empathy for young Stupid, sneaky girls who make dumb decisions that negatively affects their lives….
Be it…thuggery, crime participants, drugs, suicide pacts, money for sexual favors, etc.

I do not have compassion for anyone who chooses to Remain a life Long Victim.

“Victims” have a legal recourse to file complaints, provide evidence of dates, provide evidence of Where the acts took place, provide evidence of Named persons they were subjected to unwanted forced participation, or their own stupidity of not knowing to reject offers.

Out of the “supposed” “hundreds” of Victims of young Girls … who have been Adults for Years…
where is the List of “Their Names, dates, places, and accusations Filed Against a Named complainant”?

What is happening IS a Few adult females are making Accusations to the Public via the media, Naming names…without Evidence of a wrong doing.

The public, via the media, is Demanding a List of Names of all known associates of Epstein.
Two persons attending the same gathering, party, dinner, In an office discussing a business deal, attending a school together…speaking to one another ARE associating!

It’s hokey.

And btw, a great deal of Epstein’s “underaged Victims” were willingly participating in Encounters at Epstein’s “homes”…”hotels” in New York, Florida, New Mexico and then “going home to their home”… and complaining to parents??

The whole thing is hokey.
 

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From the OP:

Is anybody listening?​

Epstein Survivors Speak Live @Congress

What's sad is that most people just don't care ....even especially many who call themselves Christians. I don't think there will be truth or justice in this life concerning these horrible and hideous crimes. But eternity is coming .....
There is yet another ongoing sophisticated psyop designed to ensure that people remain apathetic and out-of-touch with the awesome authority that has been provided for God's chosen. Concerning the "horrible and hideous crimes" underway, it is strictly forbidden by the perp's to even utter the name of Jesus lest their satanic house of cards come undone.

They won’t care until it comes to their family.
How I wish that was true. I am dealing with the debris of "targeted" families that have been torn asunder. Ppl are already acting against their own best interests, and many hate themselves for it but are powerless to change it. This is where Sanctify Yourself - Six Part Series comes into the picture.

The corrupt justice system is not where I point trauma survivors to. Ministry is from God, not the world's system.
Yes, so we must be wise about this. For example, do you really think the perp's would allow a "Congressional Hearing" on their media if they thought it might hurt their satanic goals? Folks, the hearings are another psyop:

The Six-Step Attitudinal Change Plan works like this:

1. Some practice so offensive that it can scarcely be discussed in public is advocated by a RESPECTED expert in a RESPECTED forum.

2. At first, the public is shocked, then outraged.

3. But, the VERY FACT that such a thing could be publicly debated becomes the SUBJECT of the debate.

4. In the debate, sheer repetition of the shocking subject gradually dulls its effect.

5. People then are no longer shocked.

6. No longer outraged, people begin to argue for positions to moderate the extreme; or, they accept the premise, challenging, instead, the means to ACHIEVE it.

The entire American population is being systematically exposed to this attitudinal change on a daily basis.

In occult circles, this psyop is known as "Revelation of the Method", where the perp's believe they are absolved of any responsibility for their criminality because they told us ahead of time and we did nothing about it. That, of course, is yet another lie, but THEY believe it to be valid and proceed accordingly. A "Congressional hearing" is simply intended to desensitize us to the increasing wickedness of Satan's kingdom.

The perp's "Congressional hearing" is but one more way they ultimately and satanically advocate for the wicked thing.

The scrubbed version... we won't get the truth from anything the government releases. It's like the MK Ultra files they released ...very scrubbed and whitewashed.
Exactly - even as it serves their purposes.

I wouldn't trust the mental health system. It is the place of the Church to minister. I was diagnosed with PTSD (years ago). They tried to get me on meds ...I went with Jesus. He's the Great Physician. The Church is like a triage center and we are His nursing staff. That's how it should be.
Absolutely. But we will render to whomever we acknowledge as our authority. So there is the choice: either BigPharma or Almighty God. Too many choose BigPharma out of default. The so-called church has not taught them how to fight the good fight, not taught them how to win. Again, until we clean up ourselves and start walking righteously, as sanctified vessels fit for God's service, we remain toast.

Wishful thinking at best. If he wasn't them, there was no need to delay all these months. And are we to trust people like Maxwell the tell the truth given the mysterious way Epstein died? None of this adds up to anything good.
Exactly again.
 
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Not possible.



Being a “A victim” 15 - 25 + years ago, is a Long time to to continue holding that status, often willingly, returning, participating in the scheme, to then pretend the continued participation, the Recruiting, was a decision of naivety.



Young “school girls” were Not “primarily” solicited at Schools by Adult men Of Epstein’s associates.

School aged “Victims”…experiencing “the trade of Money for Sexual encounters”…were the primary “solicitors” “Recruiters” in the “scheme”.



Well aware, young and old alike, have ears that perk up when “easy money”, “freebie travels”, “exotic adventures”…tickles their ears.

If “young girls” did not “know better”…did they run to their Mother and tell her of the “exciting Offer” of wealthy men wanting a young inexperienced girl to administer Body massages to them?

And why NOW… 20+ years later they want What? Reparations? More money? Someone else to be accountable for their own Dumb Decisions?

I do have Empathy for young Stupid, sneaky girls who make dumb decisions that negatively affects their lives….
Be it…thuggery, crime participants, drugs, suicide pacts, money for sexual favors, etc.

I do not have compassion for anyone who chooses to Remain a life Long Victim.

“Victims” have a legal recourse to file complaints, provide evidence of dates, provide evidence of Where the acts took place, provide evidence of Named persons they were subjected to unwanted forced participation, or their own stupidity of not knowing to reject offers.

Out of the “supposed” “hundreds” of Victims of young Girls … who have been Adults for Years…
where is the List of “Their Names, dates, places, and accusations Filed Against a Named complainant”?

What is happening IS a Few adult females are making Accusations to the Public via the media, Naming names…without Evidence of a wrong doing.

The public, via the media, is Demanding a List of Names of all known associates of Epstein.
Two persons attending the same gathering, party, dinner, In an office discussing a business deal, attending a school together…speaking to one another ARE associating!

It’s hokey.

And btw, a great deal of Epstein’s “underaged Victims” were willingly participating in Encounters at Epstein’s “homes”…”hotels” in New York, Florida, New Mexico and then “going home to their home”… and complaining to parents??

The whole thing is hokey.
The neutral one cometh and the world will worship him , all not in the lambs book of life will
believe and heed its solution . Both sides are already under this influence
and will merge when he who cometh as one who is neutral and not left or right , will not cliam a particular
religoin but will guide this world into its love and its solution . BOTH SIDES gonna heed it .
now i call it the neutral one because its in the middle and is of both sides and will appear to simply
be a voice for all peoples . EVEN now its spirit and spirits merge this people more and more .
We should never have trusted in man , in govts and etc , IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE LORD ALONE . But sadly
this was not the case and now this world will reap exactly what it has long sown too . THE LIE and then
Will come upon it SUDDEN DESTRUCTION from THE VERY GOD and HIS CHRIST they all denied .
 
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I do not have compassion for anyone who chooses to Remain a life Long Victim.

Many victims don't choose to Remain a life Long Victim.

They are victims and for life. And most of them don't seek media attention, they just suffer in silence for the rest of their lives. Media attention would be as salt to not healed open wounds.

Next to us lived a married couple, strict Reformed church going people, they had 5 daughters and 1 son. One daughter was raped for years by a family member. She is totally broken, goes from depression to depression, from one help center to another, no specialist has been able to help her despite all the good care. Small wonder, her faith in the Lord is not broken. My wife is still in contact with her and the family.
 

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The neutral one cometh and the world will worship him , all not in the lambs book of life will
believe and heed its solution . Both sides are already under this influence
and will merge when he who cometh as one who is neutral and not left or right , will not cliam a particular
religoin but will guide this world into its love and its solution . BOTH SIDES gonna heed it .
now i call it the neutral one because its in the middle and is of both sides and will appear to simply
be a voice for all peoples . EVEN now its spirit and spirits merge this people more and more .
We should never have trusted in man , in govts and etc , IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE LORD ALONE . But sadly
this was not the case and now this world will reap exactly what it has long sown too . THE LIE and then
Will come upon it SUDDEN DESTRUCTION from THE VERY GOD and HIS CHRIST they all denied .
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soon the neutral one will arrive . Even now it has been at work amongst both sides and all realms .
It is preaching something that can unite them and bring them into finding common ground .
IT will not come in as though its of the left or the right
And it will not come in as though its of one religoin either . IT will do as its unifying force has been
doing all along .
IT will unify them , have them find common ground .
Preach solutions that ALL SIDES WILL AGREE UPON .
But all of this will work only to the DESTRUCTION of mankind and of this world .
And many will be bedazzled by it , as even now they are being led into its common love
its common ground and its solution .
The solution was TO MERGE and TO UNIFY this people . And it knew how to do this .
You must break down and remove any barriers , aka fundamental belifes and doctrines .
OF the false and yes EVEN of christendom .
It preaches a love that the false can relate too . any and all who are of the world
can relate to its love . but its love is of the world . even atheists can relate to its love .
But its LOVE IS NOT OF GOD . and it will take all not in the lambs book of life .
YES . Even now we see muslims headed right into it , jews , buddists , atheists , and even many in christendom .
And its a love that will merge them and unify them . NOT IN DOCTRINE , but in its love , its version of love
and its love IS OF ANTI CHRIST . ITS LOVE IS of the world and its father is the dragon .
@amigo de christo
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Many victims don't choose to Remain a life Long Victim.

Agree. Some choose to be Survivors of negative Events in their lives … be it abuse as a child, marriage, con business deals, theft, extortion, cheating, lies, threats…by family or acquaintances…

They are victims and for life.

I’m sure they can be. They played a role, willingly or unwillingly… and I would presume felt they had not one person they could TRUST, to intervene…
For a plethora of “reasons”… fear, embarrassment, shame, initial willingness, crap parents / relative / family friends / churchy persons / involvement etc.

And most of them don't seek media attention, they just suffer in silence for the rest of their lives. Media attention would be as salt to not healed open wounds.

Agree. And WHY a Few are media speaking…
Stirring a frenzy of “particular Wealthy men BY Name”, and “supposed hundreds” of unNamed young Girls.

Next to us lived a married couple, strict Reformed church going people, they had 5 daughters and 1 son. One daughter was raped for years by a family member. She is totally broken, goes from depression to depression, from one help center to another, no specialist has been able to help her despite all the good care. Small wonder, her faith in the Lord is not broken. My wife is still in contact with her and the family.

I can’t speak for other parents, their rules, their warnings to their children, their notice of too friendly observations, their notice of their children’s uneasiness around particular individuals…

Our rules…allowed our kids to play at friends homes…knew the parents, had timed visit playtime, checked on them. Same if kids gathered at the park. Checked on them, looked for out of place behavior or adult males trying to mingle. We allowed No Sleep overs for our children.

And “sure”…oddball times situations happened…
One daughter playing at friends house…went to check…her and friend, went with Uncle in his car to gets some things at nearby grocery store. I immediately went to grocery store, got daughter, had the long discussion, g-pa, cousin, uncle, teacher, titles do Not mean…automatically okay, safe to be “alone” with.

Son, had an invite for a two night camp out at the beach with a “male church youth minister”…
Swimming fun, games, with other boys, and “scriptural” influence… Sounds Terrific…
Friends parents said Yes. We said No.
Son disappointed, mopey, pouty all week-end.

Result? “Youth minister” tried to make inappropriate advances toward some of the boys while they were settling down to sleep.
“Youth minister” reported to church, lost his position, stopped attending “that” church. Don’t know if parents took legal action.

Boys discussed amongst themselves.
My son, glad for himself and then understood, Why he was not allowed to go…
And further understood… Why… at friends, at the park, at school, where-ever… parents require their where-abouts, timed limits and anytime surprise parents checking on them would be constant during their childhood.

I didn’t / don’t Trust people because of “their titles”…daycare, babysitter, teacher, cleric, coach, counselor, photographer, celebrity, politician, etc. or so called “Experts”!!
And definitely kept the responsibility of “my children” under my watchful eye and guidance, they learning to beware of any adult wanting, suggesting, soliciting, one on one alone time with them.

I can not say, how, when, why, young girls were in situations to become “victims”…
But “by all appearance's” in the “Epstein case”…
Some one Failed in their own responsibilities, their own choices…and linger with regrets and they want “another” to be the only one held accountable… and “somehow” have concluded the pretense of a “public mock medial TRIAL and Implied CONVICTION” is the means to overcome their own Victim status.
 

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There ARE heavenly Book(S)… evidence Accounts of True Facts of Which every human shall be Judged, Sentenced.

The Book you speak of…
“Gods Book of Life”, Contain-ED the Name of Every human “to be, was, is, shall be naturally born”.
IF and WHEN their Natural Mortal Body Dies…they Mortally Died in Unbelief IN God
By Their “identifying Name”, (Blotting Out of Their Name”)… their Body, becomes Rejected to have Eternal Life With A God, they chose to Reject.

@amigo de christo…mentioned a “Different Book”….”The Lambs Book of Life”.
This Book IS Not a BOOK containing The Name (identity) of EVERY human Ever naturally born.
This Book contains the Names (identity) of ONLY, human men WHO willingly gave their own Bodily Life “Crucified” WITH Christ Jesus…and HAVE received “Their Baptism”…
Offering From God, VIA, Gods Way, VIA…
“The Lamb of God”.
“such Names” entered into the “Lambs Book of Life”…”ARE NOT names subject to Ever being Blotted Out”.

Names in the Lambs Book of Life…
The Lord Shall have Saved their souls and raise up their body’s unto Him, in the clouds /air, rapture, and they return to Earth, with the Lord, being occupants of His kingdom on Earth during His Exclusive 1,000 year reign over all nations of believing (unsaved) living mortals, Void of Fallen angels presence and negative influence.

Names In Gods Book of Life…
God Shall save their souls and raise up their body’s, and gather together all body’s of saved souls, for their Judgement, After Christ the Lords 1,000 yr reign.

Also Shall heavenly Book(S) of “all” mens “works” be opened.
Their “works” judged.
Their “works” Glorified The Lord God???
God shall “pay His Debt to them”…
Gods “payment”? A REWARD.

Their “works”…
did NOT Glorify The Lord God???
No debt payment of REWARD given.
Their “Works” burned, forgotten.

Rev 20:
[4 d]…they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
[5 a] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

Rev 20:
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Glory to God,
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Not possible.



Being a “A victim” 15 - 25 + years ago, is a Long time to to continue holding that status, often willingly, returning, participating in the scheme, to then pretend the continued participation, the Recruiting, was a decision of naivety.



Young “school girls” were Not “primarily” solicited at Schools by Adult men Of Epstein’s associates.

School aged “Victims”…experiencing “the trade of Money for Sexual encounters”…were the primary “solicitors” “Recruiters” in the “scheme”.



Well aware, young and old alike, have ears that perk up when “easy money”, “freebie travels”, “exotic adventures”…tickles their ears.

If “young girls” did not “know better”…did they run to their Mother and tell her of the “exciting Offer” of wealthy men wanting a young inexperienced girl to administer Body massages to them?

And why NOW… 20+ years later they want What? Reparations? More money? Someone else to be accountable for their own Dumb Decisions?

I do have Empathy for young Stupid, sneaky girls who make dumb decisions that negatively affects their lives….
Be it…thuggery, crime participants, drugs, suicide pacts, money for sexual favors, etc.

I do not have compassion for anyone who chooses to Remain a life Long Victim.

“Victims” have a legal recourse to file complaints, provide evidence of dates, provide evidence of Where the acts took place, provide evidence of Named persons they were subjected to unwanted forced participation, or their own stupidity of not knowing to reject offers.

Out of the “supposed” “hundreds” of Victims of young Girls … who have been Adults for Years…
where is the List of “Their Names, dates, places, and accusations Filed Against a Named complainant”?

What is happening IS a Few adult females are making Accusations to the Public via the media, Naming names…without Evidence of a wrong doing.

The public, via the media, is Demanding a List of Names of all known associates of Epstein.
Two persons attending the same gathering, party, dinner, In an office discussing a business deal, attending a school together…speaking to one another ARE associating!

It’s hokey.

And btw, a great deal of Epstein’s “underaged Victims” were willingly participating in Encounters at Epstein’s “homes”…”hotels” in New York, Florida, New Mexico and then “going home to their home”… and complaining to parents??

The whole thing is hokey.
As believers we know that ultimately this is not a war of flesh and blood but involves powers and principalities in high places. Nevertheless under God's sovereign watch, the law is supposed to have a role in curtailing and limiting sin and iniquity. We live in a morally confused time and we also need to understand how the females of our species are hard wired......needing and seeking the protection and provision of males on a primal level without even being conscious of it. To start with I think young girls are getting very skewed messages about morality nowadays that even pressure and cause them to go against their own natural inclinations and will in certain situations. Men should be guiding and protecting the weaker sex, not exploiting their weaknesses and luring and manipulating them for illicit sexual purposes. God will hold such men accountable for their parts.......but one would expect and hope the law would be doing its part in this life as well. Otherwise we're left with the law of the jungle......predators and prey. Is that what we want for ourselves and our children and grandchildren?
 
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Agree. Some choose to be Survivors of negative Events in their lives … be it abuse as a child, marriage, con business deals, theft, extortion, cheating, lies, threats…by family or acquaintances…



I’m sure they can be. They played a role, willingly or unwillingly… and I would presume felt they had not one person they could TRUST, to intervene…
For a plethora of “reasons”… fear, embarrassment, shame, initial willingness, crap parents / relative / family friends / churchy persons / involvement etc.



Agree. And WHY a Few are media speaking…
Stirring a frenzy of “particular Wealthy men BY Name”, and “supposed hundreds” of unNamed young Girls.



I can’t speak for other parents, their rules, their warnings to their children, their notice of too friendly observations, their notice of their children’s uneasiness around particular individuals…

Our rules…allowed our kids to play at friends homes…knew the parents, had timed visit playtime, checked on them. Same if kids gathered at the park. Checked on them, looked for out of place behavior or adult males trying to mingle. We allowed No Sleep overs for our children.

And “sure”…oddball times situations happened…
One daughter playing at friends house…went to check…her and friend, went with Uncle in his car to gets some things at nearby grocery store. I immediately went to grocery store, got daughter, had the long discussion, g-pa, cousin, uncle, teacher, titles do Not mean…automatically okay, safe to be “alone” with.

Son, had an invite for a two night camp out at the beach with a “male church youth minister”…
Swimming fun, games, with other boys, and “scriptural” influence… Sounds Terrific…
Friends parents said Yes. We said No.
Son disappointed, mopey, pouty all week-end.

Result? “Youth minister” tried to make inappropriate advances toward some of the boys while they were settling down to sleep.
“Youth minister” reported to church, lost his position, stopped attending “that” church. Don’t know if parents took legal action.

Boys discussed amongst themselves.
My son, glad for himself and then understood, Why he was not allowed to go…
And further understood… Why… at friends, at the park, at school, where-ever… parents require their where-abouts, timed limits and anytime surprise parents checking on them would be constant during their childhood.

I didn’t / don’t Trust people because of “their titles”…daycare, babysitter, teacher, cleric, coach, counselor, photographer, celebrity, politician, etc. or so called “Experts”!!
And definitely kept the responsibility of “my children” under my watchful eye and guidance, they learning to beware of any adult wanting, suggesting, soliciting, one on one alone time with them.

I can not say, how, when, why, young girls were in situations to become “victims”…
But “by all appearance's” in the “Epstein case”…
Some one Failed in their own responsibilities, their own choices…and linger with regrets and they want “another” to be the only one held accountable… and “somehow” have concluded the pretense of a “public mock medial TRIAL and Implied CONVICTION” is the means to overcome their own Victim status.
Good for you. If you're this watchful and aware you should be aware enough to understand that many children don't have parents who are this watchful and aware, because the devil works under cover of darkness. Most people are not aware of how prevalent sexual abuse is.

And if you're so aware you ought also to be aware that most of Epsteins and his client's accusers would already have spent years blaming themselves and now are healed enough and clear-eyed enough to realize that they had been abused and exploited, and to be seeking some kind of justice for the part those lewd men played in their abuse. For the sake of simple justice and to hopefully help spare other girls the same fate.
 
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Many victims don't choose to Remain a life Long Victim.

They are victims and for life. And most of them don't seek media attention, they just suffer in silence for the rest of their lives. Media attention would be as salt to not healed open wounds.

Next to us lived a married couple, strict Reformed church going people, they had 5 daughters and 1 son. One daughter was raped for years by a family member. She is totally broken, goes from depression to depression, from one help center to another, no specialist has been able to help her despite all the good care. Small wonder, her faith in the Lord is not broken. My wife is still in contact with her and the family.
Most people are not aware of how tragically damaging sexual abuse is.........to the SOUL. The human spirit and the body together form the soul of man.......that's why abuse of the body damages the soul and abuse of the soul (emotions/mind) can cause untold health problems in the body. Because the two are one.
 
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As believers we know that ultimately this is not a war of flesh and blood but involves powers and principalities in high places. Nevertheless under God's sovereign watch, the law is supposed to have a role in curtailing and limiting sin and iniquity. We live in a morally confused time and we also need to understand how the females of our species are hard wired......needing and seeking the protection and provision of males on a primal level without even being conscious of it. To start with I think young girls are getting very skewed messages about morality nowadays that even pressure and cause them to go against their own natural inclinations and will in certain situations.

Agree.

Men should

Agree.

be guiding and protecting the weaker sex, not exploiting their weaknesses and luring and manipulating them for illicit sexual purposes.

Often begins with “boys” (and girls) not having their own “constant, upstanding, trustworthy” MALE role model.
Rather “a constant”…allowed, encouraged,…tv, movies, violent video “games”, unchecked computer time, on and on…

God will hold such men accountable for their parts.......

As is true for every individual, male or female.

but one would expect and hope the law would be doing its part in this life as well.

I dare say, pretty much any child, beyond toddler age has for years had access to a phone and knew the 911 number.
If a child refused to complain to “the administrator's OF the Law…”, why would you expect “the Law Administrators”… to be involved?

Otherwise we're left with the law of the jungle......predators and prey.

Every individual certainly “should” have an expectation of safety in their own home …
But is NOT always the case.

Every individual “should” have a minimill expectation of safety in a Public place…chance a gathering in a known unsafe place, or avoid the areas with poor reputations.
There are a lot of public places I would not go, day or under the cover of darkness.
Full well knowing their reputation precedes such public places.

Is that what we want for ourselves and our children and grandchildren?

I am NOT the Worlds, Societies, Children's Caretaker.

I have sympathy for, unwanted, unguided, corrupted, abandoned, throw away, children.
It is a sad reflection upon the Whole of People at Large.

I am a parent of Children, Involved, their rule maker, their Teacher, etc. And so too will I be Judged on what I did or failed to do with the Blessings God gifted to me.

Glory to God,
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These videos are just puzzle pieces to consider. Since the government (Trump, etc) are covering all of this up, it's left to others to seek out the truth.