Is it possible to lose salvation?

[nedsk]

Psuedo-history. Abel was the first scribe. How do you think he was an animal farmer?

Is English your 2nd language?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It is a Loss Via a “Forfeiture”.

“Received”… is The act of “possessing”.

“Possessing”… is the Act of One Taking, an Offering of Another.

Possessing… then losing is an act via a “confiscation”.

Not possessing…then losing is an act via a “forfeiture”.

* bank Loans Are “Offered”. You “Take / “Receive Funds”. Failure to “Repay the Funds”, (as agreed) can “Result” in “confiscation” of other assets, you have OFFERED, equaling the Value of the Funds you took, but failed to repay.

* Lottery…Offers you a “Chance to Win Money”… IF you buy a Ticket.
You can “WIN” the “prize money”, IF your numbers Match the Draw. The Prize IS “Yours”, before you “Posses” the Prize.
IF you Fail To Claim, Take, Posses the Prize…Before the Deadline…You LOSE your prize via Forfeiture.

The Receiving of Gods offering of His Gift of Salvation “As well”… Has “IF…THEN”…
Agreements, Deadlines and Results.

Gods Gift Offering is to Alive Living men.
The Agreement to Have / Take is from an Alive Living man.
The Deadline to Agree To Have the Gift, is Made “Before the deadline of a mans bodily Death.”

Once the Gift… IS Given, Taken, Received…
The Gift “so Given” Is Never…
(Rescinded, Revoked, Annulled, Reversed, Canceled, Nullified, Returned, Voided).

How and Why can that Gift… GIVEN and RECEIVED NOT be Revoked / Forfeited?

Because of the “Agreement TO Receive Requires The the one Receiving…
To Literal Giving, or Vow, Promise to Give “His Body unto Death, To the Lord God”… as a “Condition” TO Receive the Gift”.

It is “so to speak” a mans “cost, collateral, thank you, payment of debt to the Lord God” for Accepting His Gift.

The Actual “Gift” is Agreed to WHEN the man is Living.

The Actual “Gift” is Received unto the man IS AFTER an “accounted Dead Body” is Received unto The Lord God.

The Actual Gift is “Given “ to a “mans Body that IS “RENEWED”…AS Scripture teaches, the man being Accounted A New Creature”.

To Revoke such “Gift” would Require the RENEWED body to become Dead and the OLD Dead Body to be Revived.

I find Zero Scriptures Teaching of a man BECOMING a New Creature…THEN becoming AGAIN his OLD Creature to Then Have his Gift “Revoked”.

Glory to God,
Taken

they never asked in true saving faith , hence they never received, hence they never possessed. hence they never lost

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Rather they didn't live or prosper on this sin.

they died. and needed born again like we all do

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Moreover, what are our wrongdeeds, since humanity is full of sin.

all it takes is one sin

 

[Eternally Grateful]

When it comes to God it doesn't matter what we think it looks like! He chooses what He does whether we think it looks good to us or not! He is God and sovereign of the universe.

But as to the passage you refer to. Once again it is a simple statement of fact! whoever does A (receives Him, gets B(become a child of God). It doesn't say who, when, where, why or how-those are found elsewhere in Scripture.

but by the will of God

John 3, Whoeever believes
John 4, Whoever asks
John 5, Whoever sees and believes
John 6 Whoever eats, whoever sees and believes, whoever gnaws and chews..

John made it clear.. I do not use John 1: 12 as a standalone, it is the message not only of John but of Christ

 

[nedsk]

Wrong! Even the Romanists did not emphatically declare transubstantiation to be their official position until the 4th Latern council in 1215.

Paul said if one ate unworhtily they were guilty of sin against the body and blood, not against Jesus.

And if one studies a Passover Seder carefully, one will understand what Jesus was referring to when He said "my body" and "my blood" He wasn't teaching transubstantiation, but defining parts of the seder and what they symbolized for over a millennia.

Thats when it was formalized by the church. Ignatius was preaching it long before then and not just him.

I cor 11:29

For a person who eats and drinks without discerning the body of the Lord is eating and drinking judgment oh himself.

I won't call you a liar.

The sedar where they actually ate the flesh of the unblemished land.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Is scripture alone capable of making a man complete? Can it teach, rebuke, exhort and instruct?

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

end of discussion

test each spirit each teacher. each person. using scripture. to verify if that person or group is really teaching the word of God. take heed to no man..

 

[nedsk]

Is scripture alone capable of making a man complete? Can it teach, rebuke, exhort and instruct?

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

end of discussion

test each spirit each teacher. each person. using scripture. to verify if that person or group is really teaching the word of God. take heed to no man..

Profitable does not mean only. We know you really really really really really want it to mean that but it doesn't

End of discussion

 

[MonoBiblical]

all it takes is one sin

Which is lie. Was Job a sinner?

 

[MonoBiblical]

Is English your 2nd language?

Evidently it is yours.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Which is lie. Was Job a sinner?

rom 3: 23, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Profitable does not mean only. We know you really really really really really want it to mean that but it doesn't

End of discussion

sorry bud. You have proved you do not have any authority to interpret scripture..and you can not even answer Why Jesus lied in John 6. So anything you say has no meaning..

Good day

 

[MonoBiblical]

rom 3: 23, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

πάντες γὰρ ἥμαρτον καὶ ὑστεροῦνται τῆς δόξης τοῦ θεοῦ All sin and fall from a greatness of a God.

The second aorist is deceptive. It is a non-continuous present tense. Textbook used to say that it was always a past tense.

 

[nedsk]

Evidently it is yours.

Yes If I have to keep reading your sentences

 

[nedsk]

sorry bud. You have proved you do not have any authority to interpret scripture..and you can not even answer Why Jesus lied in John 6. So anything you say has no meaning..

Good day

I've told you before I'm not interpreting I'm reading.

You want to tell me what Jesus really meant and I have no problem with that but except when you won't show any evidence that your understanding of what he said is authoritative. Telling me I'm wrong isnt evidence of your "expertise". It is evidence of your pomposity though.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I've told you before I'm not interpreting I'm reading.

your not just reading, because your accusing people of being wrong. so your interpreting.

You want to tell me what Jesus really meant and I have no problem with that but except when you won't show any evidence that your understanding of what he said is authoritative. Telling me I'm wrong isnt evidence of your "expertise". It is evidence of your pomposity though.

I believe jesus meant what he said. everything (not just the few words you keep posting) why don't you?

 

[Behold]

Sola scriptura is not found anywhere in Scripture. Changing the subject doesn't change that fact.

Peter as the 1st Pope is not found anywhere in any bible.

Mary as a 'perpetual virgin" is not found in any bible

Mary "ascending to heaven in her dead body"....is not found in any Bible

Mary, as "co-author of Salvation" is not found in any bible.

"Praying to Mary", is not found in any bible.

"burning candles to Mary", is not found in any bible.

'Praying to dead saints" is not found in any bible.

"collecting dead body parts as RELICS"< is not found in any bible.

"The Rosary" and "Praying the Rosary"...." is not found in any Bible.

"doing Penance" is not found in any bible.

"canonizing Saints" is not found in any bible.

"Purgatory" is not found in any bible.

"Priests can't get married"......is not found in any bible.

"Praying through Mary, to Christ".... is not found in any bible.

A.) If everything the MaryCult teaches that is not found in a BIBLE, was removed from the MaryCult.......the MaryCult would cease to exist.
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[BreadOfLife]

They don't believe the bible much in Rome.

That’s either a LIE - or just another ignorant statement. . .

It was the Catholic Church that gave us the Canon of Scripture.

The Synod of Rome (382) is where the canon was first formally identified – ALL 73 (not 66) Books.
- 11 years after that, it was confirmed at the Synod of Hippo (393).
- 4 years later, at the Council (or Synod) of Carthage (397), it was yet again confirmed. The bishops wrote at the end of their document, "But let Church beyond sea (Rome) be consulted about confirming this canon". There were 44 bishops, including St. Augustine who signed the document.
- 7 years later, in 405, in a letter from Pope Innocent I to Exsuperius, Bishop of Toulouse, he reiterated the canon.
- 14 years after that, at the 2nd Council (Synod) of Carthage (419) the canon was again formally confirmed.

The Canon of Scripture was officially closed at the Council of Trent in the 16th century because of the perversions happening within Protestantism and the random editing and deleting of books from the Canon.

There was no separation of Elder and Bishop under the first system.

Wanna bet??

After Jesus ascended to the Father, the Disciples all gathered to choose a replacement for Judas.

Acts 1:20 says:
“Let another take his office.”

The Greek word used here for “office” is ep-is-kop-ay', which means Bishopric.

Rome is not 2000 years old, the Roman Church began with the great schism and invented many new heresies.

HOGWASH.

We see the term, "The Catholic Church" being written about at the beginning of the 2nd century - while the Apostle John was STILL alive by one of his own disciples, Ignatius of Antioch:

Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 107]).

Let’s see . . .
“Follow your Bishop . . .”
“Obey your Clergy . . .”
“The Sole Eucharist . . .”
“The Catholic Church . . .”

What Church does that sound like??

Rome does not believe in oral tradition,because it writes down its rules in Latin, which nobody but a linguist should learn.

Are you really this ignorant – or are you just pulling my leg?

You’re the FIRST anti-Catholic I’ve ever hear make this claim . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Where in the Bible does Jesus affirm Sola Ecclesia Romanus?

We’ll address that – as soon as YOU show me where Sola Scriptura is taught in the Bible . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

No the biblical truth does not go down the drain! but I will answer you AGAIN!

Sola Scriptura is NOT Biblical truth.

If it were – you would be able to show it from Scripture – and you can’t . . .

The church gets its authority from Jesus and what He taught the original apostles. That is found in John and in Matt. 28 in what is known as the great commission.

then Paul added :

2 Timothy 3:15-17​

King James Version​

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Notice what is glaringly absent in this passage by a foundation layer of the church? He did not include, tradition, and church councils are inspired by god and profitable. You make an argument to include thise without biblical evidence.

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

We study to be approved by rightly understanding Scripture, not some legion of tomes on Canon Law!

It is scripture that gives the foundation and power for any decisions people or sects make. anything not found in the basics of Scripture is to be rejected.

Paul didn’t pigeonhole the entire Word of God into ONLY what is written.

In 2 Thess., he goes on to say that Sacred Oral Tradition is ON PAR with Scripture:

2 Thess 2:15
"Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an ORAL STATEMENT or by a LETTER from us."

The Word of God is passed on thtough His Church – by what ius written and spoken.

That includes all doctrine made by allegorical interpretations of Scriptue including but not limited to:

1. Mary Queen of Heaven
2. Mary is co-mediatrix
3. Mary is co-redemptrix.
4. The perpetual virginity of Mary
5. Mary never sinned
6. Mary was assumed bodily into heaven.
7. Mary as intercessor for us to Jesus and the Father.
8. Purgatory.
9. erecting graven images of God and Jesus in a church
10. celibacy
11. making eating meat a mortal sin.

these are all extra-biblical doctrines or doctrines established by reinterpreting the clear plain teaching of Scripture and must be rejected with all ones might!

The Scriptures teach church leaders how to act in situations by laying down principles by which they form their decisions. So it is sola scriutura.

I can give you implicit teaching from Scripture on ALL of the above.
Why can’t YOU give me the Biblical proof for Sola Scripture??