Survey - Is Repentance important to salvation?

[Behold]

All that I do know that you have taken issue with me and so has Behold- in the past because I confess my sins when convicted.

Once you are born again, then Jesus has all your sin.

What do you have?
You have God's "gift of righteousness" and also some carnal behavior, that God does not define as sin, ever again.

Think of them as Paul describes them....... "works of the flesh".

See... the born again "are not under the Law, but under Grace".....and that means that "where there is no Law, there is NO SIN..(Transgression)."" found.

John says that when we walk in the Light the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin....
And every Christians is IN THE LIGHT......Every Christian is "IN CHRIST".. and this means that every Christian is a "Child of the LIGHT"...
We are not trying to get there.
We are ALREADY THERE, forever.........and that is why the Blood Atonement is always cleansing......its a fact of Salvation that the Blood Atonement is always keeping us CLEAN because we are always in the Light.
This does not mean you will never again commit some carnal deed... a "work of the flesh"......it simply means that the Blood Atoment is always keeping you forgiven.

See, Christians are always viewed by God, through The Cross of Christ........so, God always sees us through the Atonement as eternally forgiven.

So, if you are trying to get re-forgiven......when Jesus is the ""one time ETERNAL Sacrifice for your sin""...then you are not understanding what the Sacrirfice of Christ has ETERNALLY completed for you.
Its completed your eternal Forgiveness.

This is why Romans 4:8, and 2 Corin 5:19, explain that God ""does NOT CHARGE SIN" to a born again Christian.....and that is because our sin has ETERNALLY been charged to Jesus already, who has died for them all, 2000 yrs ago.

Now, if you do something wrong, your conscious is going to sting you..........and that is not designed to get you to confess your sin.
That is designed to always instruct you regarding where YOUR Boundaries are.........and where your's are, is going to be different then where mine are, or where some other Believer's boundaries are located.

Paul describes weak believers as being unable to eat some types of food, because they are faith weak......and He tells us to not cause them to be upset, becasue we dont have that faith issue and could eat all that stuff.
The weak in faith believer sees eating some things as "sin"......and the Strong Believer sees eating all that stuff as "can i have another plate">..
But we dont, because that would make the weak believer confused, and nervous, and upset.

Paul says that "ALL THINGS are Lawful for me"..........but by doing some of them, they can become a habit or a issue......but not a sin.
So, He avoids all that, as its wise to do so.......and so should we.

 

[marks]

Can anyone give a real answer? Why is it that when I declare God's forgiveness of sin is total and complete, and that we are reconciled to God through Christ completely and permanently, that I am routinely accused of being soft on sin? Just look above at the latest example!

Do people not realize these are separate issues? What I believe about our reconciliation to God, and what I believe about sin? My understanding is that until you come to realize that all sin is forgiven you, and you are permenently in Christ, you will not have victory over sin, you will remain in a legalist mindset trying to buy today's approval from God with today's good behavior. Do you not understand that your own opinions of your own perceptions of your own behavior just might not be shared by God?

Do you measure yourself against yourself? Or will you stand in grace?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Now, if you do something wrong, your conscious is going to sting you..........and that is not designed to get you to confess your sin.
That is designed to always instruct you regarding where YOUR Boundaries are.........and where your's are, is going to be different then where mine are, or where some other Believer's boundaries are located.

Well stated!

Much love!

 

[PS95]

Do you place yourself under the Mosaic Law as was David?

When you commit a sin, is it forgiven already by Christ's death, and your acceptance of His reconciliation? Or do you need to obtain new forgiveness?

Are you aware of every sin you commit? Do you confess with repentance every sin you commit? I'm telling you, brother, it's grace or nothing, because we can never live up to what would be required.

Much love!

Hey Marks-
No we are under grace.
When I acknowledge a sin- it is because the Holy Spirit convicted me of it - previously, when I sinned I didn't care- sinning was just the way I rolled-- So now, I am truly grateful to see my sins, and I know that conviction is NOT condemnation. BUT is is a reminder that I was not walking in the Spirit but in my flesh. So my natural response to the Spirit's urging is something like this--
"I'm sorry Lord!!- Forgive me according to your blood shed for us and wash me new- I praise you for your precious love and mercy toward me & for the reminder to walk in the Spirit- please help me to do that even more"!!
Do I feel fellowship is broken? I feel it is strained because I did not obey and Jesus demands obedience which is for our own good and the good of others> So when I sin (usually a thought or word) I have broken His command to love-- and I am sorry. So I tell Him so. I know He is faithful and just to forgive me. I see it ALL as a loving reminder-- and I need His reminders to help me to stay on path. I just dont look at it the way you do.

Obviously, I was heading in the wrong direction when I sinned-- so I am grateful-- it's sort like of a sheep being pulled back who was beginning to get stuck in the thicket.. and I hear His voice and turn around joyfully!
So while my body has been washed clean of sins- I still do soil my feet and the Lord continues to wash me in His blood. When I walk in the flesh I sin. So do we all. That is why we are admonished to live our lives walking in the Spirit and killing the desires of the flesh.
Ro 8-
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.

Your "Every sin" Q- is irrelevant to me. I am only aware of the sins that the Spirit shows me. I am not responsible for something I am unaware of.
You can call what I said no grace if you want to. I don't agree with that at all-- All I see is His grace and love.
We will both stand before our Lord.

James spoke about confessing our sins so why do you disagree? and IF he has sins they will be forgiven... that shows he sinned and needed forgiveness. Clearly future sins need forgiveness.
IF all sin is just forgiven ahead of time-- Paul would not have said that sin will cost you from entering the kingdom of God.-- even a saint.

So when we sin- being reminded to come back is welcome-- I need that!!
I fully believe that if we continue living in sins, and do not return to the Lord- we are not saved.
Whether a person who leaves the faith and never returns and then dies-- is a person who was never saved, or who lost his salvation is a whole other topic.
We are to abide in Him- and it's not a threat- but a joy. I feel secure in my salvation because the Lord is with me. Did He rob me of my free will? Of course not. God doesn't force His love on us. I don't want to grieve the Spirit He has given to me. But can I? YES.
So the convictions and reminders are needed and I am grateful and always humbled by His love for me.
I am NOT here to argue with you . I don't agree with you. I have been taught the scriptures BY NO man. I see what I see,. I have no agenda other than walk with my Lord til I die. I don't need the kind of "security" that you say you need. To me, it's false.
We have people here who say as long as you claim Jesus as savior- not matter even if you live in lawlessness-- you are saved. That's NOT what the bible teaches.-- Not Jesus, not Paul, not John, not Peter.
And you and behold disagree. I get that. I dont want to believe what you do.

 

[marks]

I don't need the kind of "security" that you say you need.

I need? Or God gives? You too seem to be reframing my words.

And in that you think Behold and I disagree, there is clearly some misunderstanding.

Your "Every sin" Q- is irrelevant to me. I am only aware of the sins that the Spirit shows me. I am not responsible for something I am unaware of.
You can call what I said no grace if you want to. I don't agree with that at all-- All I see is His grace and love.
We will both stand before our Lord.

The other fellow describes the state where sin will separate you from God, while you are saying that the sins the Spirit brings to your attention may "strain" your relationship with God, these are very different views.

is is a reminder that I was not walking in the Spirit but in my flesh. So my natural response to the Spirit's urging is something like this--
"I'm sorry Lord!!

Well of course! What other response could there be? Oh, one more, my pleading with Him for a full deliverance from the corruption that is in my flesh. There is so much He's already accomplished in me, but there is more to go. The Bible indicates that we will spend our entire lives being transformed by God.

I dont want to believe what you do.

I'm not sure you understand what I believe about this, could you write a few sentences summarizing my belief?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Do I feel fellowship is broken? I feel it is strained because I did not obey and Jesus demands obedience which is for our own good and the good of others> So when I sin (usually a thought or word) I have broken His command to love-- and I am sorry. So I tell Him so.

1 John 3:18-21 KJV
18) My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
19) And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
20) For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
21) Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

Failure to love messes with the heart, and causes us to lose confidence toward God. But that doesn't mean He turns His back on us. The problem is with us, not with Him. He is ALWAYS there for us, I know this in truth.

Much love!

 

[PS95]

1 John 3:18-21 KJV
18) My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
19) And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
20) For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
21) Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

Failure to love messes with the heart, and causes us to lose confidence toward God. But that doesn't mean He turns His back on us. The problem is with us, not with Him. He is ALWAYS there for us, I know this in truth.

Much love!

that's all you have to say. Marks?
Maybe reread what I wrote. I do have confidence in HIM and fully trust in Him.

 

[marks]

that's all you have to say. Marks?
Maybe reread what I wrote. I do have confidence in HIM and fully trust in Him.

Did you read my post #65?

Much love!

 

[marks]

We have people here who say as long as you claim Jesus as savior- not matter even if you live in lawlessness-- you are saved. That's NOT what the bible teaches.-- Not Jesus, not Paul, not John, not Peter.

Paul was also accused of licentiousness. It's like what they say, the more things change, the more they stay the same. I teach Pauline doctrine, and I likewise am accused of licentiousness.

What matters is not what you say, but whether you are dead in sins or alive in Christ. That's what matters.

Do you recall Jesus saying that all sins would be forgiven men, excepting the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? The Bible defines this for us as attributing the miracles Jesus did by the power of the Holy Spirit to an unclean spirit, in effect saying the Holy Spirit is an unclean spirit. I know, there are a lot of people who define it as "never coming to faith" or some such, but that's not how the Bible defines it.

All sins will be forgiven men . . . is that true? I believe it is.

John said of Jesus, Behold, the Lamb of God who carries away the sin of the world . . . is that true? I believe it is.

Just the same, being forgiven of sins isn't what allows you to be with God, you must be born again. You can be forgiven, yet still dead in sin. Unless God gives you new life, when you repent.

Repenting is not recognizing that you sin, and vowing to not sin any more. Repenting is when you realize your life is wrong, you're mind is wrong, everything about you is wrong, because you've not trusted in Jesus. Repentance is repudiating yourself, and receiving Jesus, trusting in Him. It's to exchange one mind for another. And that is all though the New Testament.

This is the wonder and beauty of the Gospel. That God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself. There is no impediment towards anyone coming to Christ, sin has already been judicially dealt with. The world is now reconciled to God, but like Paul wrote in Romans 5, you have to receive the reconciliation.

God is not content to just leave us in our misery, He continually works in us to bring us out of our ingrained fleshiness, into the liberty of children of God. I say liberty because becoming unbound from our sinfulness, we are free to live as we want to, not the desires of the flesh, but of the spirit.

And if all this says to you that I must not care whether I sin or not, well, I hope you can hold off on that until you really come to know what I'm saying. Because that is not it!

The only good life is a pure life, a fruitful life. There are two ways we can find reward in the age to come. One is by giving what you have to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. The other is in building up the body of Christ, this are the works you will be judged concerning. And if you are sinning you are not doing these. Living with sin, and not working with God the best you are able to control it is not going to help you mature.

My motivation is to please my Father, and to be fruitful in my life.

We want to live pure lives, do we not? Here is how:

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Do you know beyond any doubt that no matter what happens in your life, that this is true? That when He appears we shall be like Him? Because it's having this hope (faith based expectation) that you purify yourself.

Isn't that something? Knowing you are God's child, and that you will become just like Jesus, it's in this mindset that you purify your life.

Knowing it's all going to be done then is what causes us to do what we can now.

OSAS is the remedy for sin. Did you know that?

Much love!

 

[bdavidc]

I'm going to suggest you reread my posts, rather than continuing this back and forth.

And if you have a question to ask me, ask. Otherwise, I'm not interested in your presumptions about me. You can save them for yourself. In your zeal to defend your point you sin against others. None of this describes me, but you would make it so.

There is no fruitfulness in such speech. Perhaps if you actually knew me, and had some valid understanding, this would be different, but you are reading my words, associating that with some thought in your mind about what it must mean about me, and look at what you come up with!

This is not fruitful, and not good for you. Slander is more about the speaker than the hearer, and you've posted yours publically. And now you must be out of fellowship with God, right? Or will you minimize this?

I hope you give this some serious thought.

Much love!

Let me remind you also that YOU started this conversation, see post #11. I am not sinning against YOU, I am answering what you wrote with Scripture. My only zeal is to shine the light of God’s Word on false teaching, not to attack you personally. You accuse me of slander, but the Bible commands us to test every spirit (1 John 4: 1), prove all things (1 Thessalonians 5:21), and reprove error publicly when it is public (2 Timothy 4:2, Ephesians 5:11). That is not sin, it is obedience.

I don’t have questions for you, you were the one asking me. I only answer by pointing to what Scripture says, not my ideas. Fellowship with God is not about avoiding correction, it is about walking in the light of His Word (1 John 1:7). So no, I am not out of fellowship, but you may be if you refuse to heed the truth of Scripture. This is serious, and you should give it thought. If I’ve misrepresented you, open the Bible and show it in context. But if your teaching cannot be supported by the Word, then it needs to yield, because “let God be true, but every man a liar” (Romans 3:4).

 

[PS95]

Paul was also accused of licentiousness. It's like what they say, the more things change, the more they stay the same. I teach Pauline doctrine, and I likewise am accused of licentiousness.

I don't recall ever accusing you of anything. You're right Paul was accused of that- he clearly opposed all ceremonial law, but although moral law can not justify us- it is still in effect after accepting Christ. It comes in under love one another which is a command- and Paul absolutely laid moral law out for us to uphold. There is no denying that. It is not to save yourself but because of our hearts being circumcised we see things differently and desire to please Him... and ourselves because we have the same mind now.

What matters is not what you say, but whether you are dead in sins or alive in Christ. That's what matters.

I am alive in Christ. YET I can still sin.

Do you recall Jesus saying that all sins would be forgiven men, excepting the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? The Bible defines this for us as attributing the miracles Jesus did by the power of the Holy Spirit to an unclean spirit, in effect saying the Holy Spirit is an unclean spirit. I know, there are a lot of people who define it as "never coming to faith" or some such, but that's not how the Bible defines it.

All sins will be forgiven men . . . is that true? I believe it is.

Our sins are forgiven if we are washed. I spoke of this before. But if you take that to mean that we can sin all we want and never change and still be saved- I'm afraid you are mistaken. It's just not what the scriptures say.

John said of Jesus, Behold, the Lamb of God who carries away the sin of the world . . . is that true? I believe it is.

Yep. He took away Adam's sin as well as ours. Again, that does not say so if you keep living in lawlessness that you belong to him.

Just the same, being forgiven of sins isn't what allows you to be with God, you must be born again. You can be forgiven, yet still dead in sin. Unless God gives you new life, when you repent.

Ok at this point I don't know why you feel the need to tell me these things, as if I am not born again. I am certain of that.
I do not believe what you do about osas. Period. I know how dug in you are on it. Give it up though because I disagree.

Repenting is not recognizing that you sin, and vowing to not sin any more. Repenting is when you realize your life is wrong, you're mind is wrong, everything about you is wrong, because you've not trusted in Jesus. Repentance is repudiating yourself, and receiving Jesus, trusting in Him. It's to exchange one mind for another. And that is all though the New Testament.

Maybe look it up. Vine's is pretty clear. I'm not here to argue over words with you. I'm not sure why you feel the need to lecture me. I'm fine.

This is the wonder and beauty of the Gospel. That God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself. There is no impediment towards anyone coming to Christ, sin has already been judicially dealt with. The world is now reconciled to God, but like Paul wrote in Romans 5, you have to receive the reconciliation.

Yes we have been reconciled..

God is not content to just leave us in our misery, He continually works in us to bring us out of our ingrained fleshiness, into the liberty of children of God. I say liberty because becoming unbound from our sinfulness, we are free to live as we want to, not the desires of the flesh, but of the spirit.

That I agree with.

And if all this says to you that I must not care whether I sin or not, well, I hope you can hold off on that until you really come to know what I'm saying. Because that is not it!

I know it isn't. I believe you are a brother. I just don't agree with osas. That doesn't make me break fellowship with you. I know what the churches teach.

The only good life is a pure life, a fruitful life. There are two ways we can find reward in the age to come. One is by giving what you have to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. The other is in building up the body of Christ, this are the works you will be judged concerning. And if you are sinning you are not doing these. Living with sin, and not working with God the best you are able to control it is not going to help you mature.

?

My motivation is to please my Father, and to be fruitful in my life.

Mine too.

We want to live pure lives, do we not? Here is how:

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Yes, we purify ourselves through the Spirit He has given us. We grow more like Him as we do.

Do you know beyond any doubt that no matter what happens in your life, that this is true? That when He appears we shall be like Him? Because it's having this hope (faith based expectation) that you purify yourself.

Isn't that something? Knowing you are God's child, and that you will become just like Jesus, it's in this mindset that you purify your life.

Knowing it's all going to be done then is what causes us to do what we can now.

OSAS is the remedy for sin. Did you know that?

Much love!

Nope. OSAS is not correct - it goes too far -- right out of scripture --
I lean on the power of the Spirit as the remedy for sin. I know I am a child of God- I do not worry about losing my salvation. I count on Jesus who is fully capable of keeping me all of my days in His love. Do I need to cooperate- sure! and I want to! Not because of me-- but because he made me love Him.
He teaches me and shows me which way to go. Do I believe that he robbed me of free will? No. I could choose to go live as I used to and grieve the Spirit- BUT why would I? He changed me- I never want to go back and spit in His face of full of grace. I know I am going to say or do things that don't please Him- and that He is kind and merciful.
BUT IF I chose to go live the way I used to, or worse and never turned around again - and spit at His grace living- say-- sexually immorally, in drunkenness & greed - what have you- until the day I died- do I think I am saved? No.

That is my problem with OSAS- the idea that it is taught that no matter what you do you are saved is not biblical. Behold has told me that is what he believes. I don't.

Eph 5:
But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints; 4and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. 5For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. 6Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7Therefore do not be partakers with them; 8for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light 9(for the fruit of the Light consists in all goodness and righteousness and truth), 10trying to learn what is pleasing to the Lord. 11Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them;

For me- either that person was never saved-- or they fell away from the faith- apostate.
Only the Lord knows which for sure.
Do I live in fear thinking that I may fall away? Nope, of course not! It's a conscious decision whether to remain in the faith or not.
But I will never say obedience is irrelevant- you're still saved no matter how you live. It's a lie.

 

[ShineTheLight]

Turning from your sins, or repenting of them, is not what God requires to fogive you and give you the new birth "In Christ".

The Correct "repentance" that God requires is for you to repent of your UNBELIEF.

Its unbelief that is damnation, continuing.

So much wrong with this post and your other posts in this thread. You are an easy believer. You reject/remove and ignore God's words and call for confession and repentance.

Behold, behold these.

James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Titus 2:11-12
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

 

[marks]

It comes in under love one another which is a command-

I'd like to suggest to you that the command to love others as Jesus loves us, the Law cannot come close to that command. Even the 10 commandments. It's like the 10 commandment were the starting gate for Israel - remember, these were always God's covenant with Israel.

The 10C are not a part of the Law of Love. The law of love is as high over the Mosaic Law as the heaven above the earth.

that we can sin all we want and never change

Do you want to sin? Why do you assume I do? Why do you assume I think obedience doesn't matter? And why do you not acknowledge the clear connection between expecting to become like Jesus and purifying yourself as plainly stated in that passage?

I'm going to step back and think about how I can better communicate with you.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I could choose to go live as I used to

Are you certain of that? I don't think so myself. I don't think you can choose to revert your nature to a pre-reborn state. And your choices will be limited by your nature.

I apologize if I came across as lecturing you, I'm more just trying to say what I believe and have learned.

Much love!

 

[PS95]

I'd like to suggest to you that the command to love others as Jesus loves us, the Law cannot come close to that command. Even the 10 commandments. It's like the 10 commandment were the starting gate for Israel - remember, these were always God's covenant with Israel.

The 10C are not a part of the Law of Love. The law of love is as high over the Mosaic Law as the heaven above the earth.


Do you want to sin? Why do you assume I do? Why do you assume I think obedience doesn't matter? And why do you not acknowledge the clear connection between expecting to become like Jesus and purifying yourself as plainly stated in that passage?

I'm going to step back and think about how I can better communicate with you.

Much love!

Marks,
Thanks but I know what the command to love means- and I also understand how Jesus expanded the commands- but thank you again for your condescensions. To be honest, I feel like you only ask me question after question from your own reasonings.
I am interested in what scriptures teach. I am disinterested in arguing your view in case you have not noticed-
I've read the drawn out threads-I see the thinking- same ole thing- it's a waste of time.
I'm also not disp/pretrib and you wont convince me of that one either. So if you can't just address scriptures directly- I prefer not to engage further.


Eph 5:
But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints; 4and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. 5For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. 6Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7Therefore do not be partakers with them; 8for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light 9(for the fruit of the Light consists in all goodness and righteousness and truth), 10trying to learn what is pleasing to the Lord. 11Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them;


Paul clearly did not teach what you do. He said a SAINT who lives in sins such as the above-will not be saved.
Should he "repent"? YES.
To say someone who willfully lives in sins after receiving Christ is still saved no matter what is a complete falsehood. That is where a line is drawn.

I can maybe accept that person was never truly saved... BUT I will not accept your version of osas.

I see your thread on free will aimed at me I suppose lol-- it's based on your own human reasoning again. Of course we have free will and we can willfully sin.
Yes, there is a difference between willfully living in sins and never repenting- . If anyone told you otherwise they go against scripture again. So lease don't tell me that because you will never sway me.
No all sins are not willful and choosing to remain in them is also willful. I think you know the difference between the two.

I understand many churches teach osas from childhood. I understand how that works. But we need to accept all of scripture not just the verses we choose. It's clear- we are secure in His hands and NO ONE can snatch us. But that does not mean what you say it does with the osas version 2.0.

 

[marks]

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Do you know for a fact that when Jesus appears you will become just like Him? If you are His son now, you will be like Jesus then. Declarative statement, plainly worded, simple Greek, not ambiguous. Do you believe this is true?

Colossians 3:1-4 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Being risen with Christ now, this means you have died (see Romans 6), and you shall appear with Christ in glory when He appears. These are plainly worded statements, again, not ambiguous. Either everyone who is risen with Jesus now will appear with Him in glory then, or not. If not, if anyone risen with Him does not appear with Him, this prophecy is not true. There is no question about what this passage says, the only question is whether you will believe it or not.

Much love!

 

[PS95]

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Do you know for a fact that when Jesus appears you will become just like Him? If you are His son now, you will be like Jesus then. Declarative statement, plainly worded, simple Greek, not ambiguous. Do you believe this is true?

Colossians 3:1-4 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Being risen with Christ now, this means you have died (see Romans 6), and you shall appear with Christ in glory when He appears. These are plainly worded statements, again, not ambiguous. Either everyone who is risen with Jesus now will appear with Him in glory then, or not. If not, if anyone risen with Him does not appear with Him, this prophecy is not true. There is no question about what this passage says, the only question is whether you will believe it or not.

Much love!

Again, you ask your questions but ignore the plain scripture I have given you.
I think we are done then.

 

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Colossians 3:1-5 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
5) Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

Because this is true, because you will in fact appear with Jesus when He appears, this fact is why we are to mortify our member that are on the earth.

Notice, you are hid with Christ, Christ is sitting on the right hand of God, and you are hid with Him. Therefore, kill you members (body parts) that are on the earth.

Much love!

 

[PS95]

Colossians 3:1-5 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
5) Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

Because this is true, because you will in fact appear with Jesus when He appears, this fact is why we are to mortify our member that are on the earth.

Notice, you are hid with Christ, Christ is sitting on the right hand of God, and you are hid with Him. Therefore, kill you members (body parts) that are on the earth.

Much love!

wow marks- this is looking like cognitive dissonance--

Eph 5:
But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints; 4and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. 5For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. 6Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7Therefore do not be partakers with them; 8for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light 9(for the fruit of the Light consists in all goodness and righteousness and truth), 10trying to learn what is pleasing to the Lord. 11Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them;

 

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Again, you ask your questions but ignore the plain scripture I have given you.
I think we are done then.

I'm not posting specifically to you. Though you indicated that you just wanted to interract with Scriptures. Even so, I post for the reader. Feel free to not respond to me.

Personally I think there has been a breakdown in our communication, which saddens me, but I respect your choice to not continue.

Much love!