Many Say ‘Just BELIEVE’… But What Did JESUS Actually TEACH?

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Grailhunter

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I am not being disrespectful to Yeshua.
You are arguing that it did not happen the way Yeshua intended to happen. But it did happen they way it was intended to happen that way. So you are not arguing with me, you have issues with the scriptures. Stick with reality and the scriptures and you will do better.

The "standard" is take the Bible as a whole. Unless you are planning on mark out 3/4s of the New Testament.
 

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But they weren't vampires and cannibals who crucified Jesus anew at every "church" service thinking they were chompin on barbecue Jesus washing it down with His Blood. View attachment 86732
Hey Dan. You are right. They weren't vampires and cannibals and neither are current Christians who believe what Jesus said. But I get the gist of your "argument" against the 2,000-year teaching of Jesus and The Church.

At The Last Supper while holding up the bread a wine Jesus said to his Apostles “Take, eat; this is My body.” and “Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood...". It sounds like you are suggesting that at The Last Supper the Apostles were "vampires and cannibals"? :IDK: Or are you suggesting that Jesus lied to the Apostles? I patiently await your response..... :coff

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would have been one of those disciples in John 6:66 (From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more.) that walked away from Jesus when he told you My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. For you see Dan, you share the same opinion and lack of faith as those men that walked away from Him. If Dan and those other disciples would have stuck around, you would have found out HOW to fulfill what Jesus said we MUST do. Jesus told Dan what he MUST do (eat my flesh and drink my blood) and then Jesus showed Dan HOW to fulfill that commandment at the Last Supper. How do you fulfill what Jesus said Dan MUST do in John 6? :IDK:

Also, via historical Christian writings from the 2nd century, we know that pagans were accusing Christians of being cannibals because the early Christians believed what Jesus said and what the Apostles taught and what 1st century Bishops of The Church taught about the Real Presence in the Eucharist. Do you feel comfortable being in the same company as pagans? Do you feel comfortable saying that a 1st century Bishop of The Church was wrong, but YOU are right?

With that said it appears that scripturally you are wrong and according to historical Christian teachings you are wrong. I shouldn't say YOU are wrong........What your men have taught you is wrong.

I look forward to your response........If you need help articulating a logical argument/response you should reach out to @LoveYeshua since they appear to agree with you.

Keeping it real with Scripture and Christian History.........Mary
 

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At The Last Supper while holding up the bread a wine Jesus said to his Apostles “Take, eat; this is My body.” and “Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood...".

And Jesus never said "and thou shall have thy false priest do a hocus pocus magic act that turns the juice and bread in to the REAL, and ACTUAL Blood and Flesh of Jesus" just like Jesus never taught anybody to pray the rosary which is idolatry.


and according to historical Christian teachings

Off course catholics believe writings not coming from the Lord are to be followed.

That's where satan deceived the early church in to turning away from following the Lord to instead follow carnal man made traditions of men which makes the Word of God of no effect where they are concerned.


Keeping it real with Scripture and Christian History.........Mary

Mo like abiding in deception with scripture twisting and writings not inspired by the Holy Spirit leading people to follow doctrines of devils instead of God's Word. You've been informed.
 

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And Jesus never said "and thou shall have thy false priest do a hocus pocus magic act that turns the juice and bread in to the REAL, and ACTUAL Blood and Flesh of Jesus" just like Jesus never taught anybody to pray the rosary which is idolatry.




Off course catholics believe writings not coming from the Lord are to be followed.

That's where satan deceived the early church in to turning away from following the Lord to instead follow carnal man made traditions of men which makes the Word of God of no effect where they are concerned.




Mo like abiding in deception with scripture twisting and writings not inspired by the Holy Spirit leading people to follow doctrines of devils instead of God's Word. You've been informed.


Lol........Got it. You have NOTHING Scriptural or historical to back up your false belief. The only thing you can articulate is your disdain for the teachings of The Church. And YOU know what a false teaching is and never twist scripture :jest:

Thank you for your time. :gd

Mary
 

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And Jesus never said "and thou shall have thy false priest do a hocus pocus magic act that turns the juice and bread in to the REAL, and ACTUAL Blood and Flesh of Jesus" just like Jesus never taught anybody to pray the rosary which is idolatry.

So what do you think Yeshua said about the Bread and Wine ritual?
 

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Peace brothers and sisters.

please stop fighting about communion it is not the subject of this thread, this dispute will have this thread closed if it continues and if this happens Ill leave this forum. I still have a few posts to write for this thread. thank you for understanding.

Peace
 

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Peace brothers and sisters.

please stop fighting about communion it is not the subject of this thread, this dispute will have this thread closed if it continues and if this happens Ill leave this forum. I still have a few posts to write for this thread. thank you for understanding.

Peace
7-18-26, We would love to hear what you have to say, Brother, thank you, there is posts, that I would love to discuss, I must find them, ok? Love, Walter
 

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Brother, you were discussing 7-17-26, an issue concerning a disaster. Do you recall? I was looking for that. It was with someone else.
this one?
"Davy there is a lot of nuances in what Jesus actually said, its multiple levels all wrapped in one verse sometimes. Some prophecy have sometimes a dual meaning or will be completed later in stages, is is not so simple and please know know I I triple check everything. What Jay wrote makes a lot of sense, can I ask you, did you read the document, its well worth it, the last few pages puts everything together nicely at lease have a look. in any case the truth is we are in the end times and must prepare, lets be ready for Jesus second coming and be certain to have oil on our lamps. I watch and probably have identified the "man of sin" many contenders at this time but I see what is coming and it wont be fun for any of us. Be ready."
 

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this one?
"Davy there is a lot of nuances in what Jesus actually said, its multiple levels all wrapped in one verse sometimes. Some prophecy have sometimes a dual meaning or will be completed later in stages, is is not so simple and please know know I I triple check everything. What Jay wrote makes a lot of sense, can I ask you, did you read the document, its well worth it, the last few pages puts everything together nicely at lease have a look. in any case the truth is we are in the end times and must prepare, lets be ready for Jesus second coming and be certain to have oil on our lamps. I watch and probably have identified the "man of sin" many contenders at this time but I see what is coming and it wont be fun for any of us. Be ready."
Yes, this is how it started. Thank you. Is there more?
 

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there is a little bit more ill get back you tomorrow, celebrating my stepmom birthday, she is now 96, must prepare organizing a party for her today, ill answer tomorrow, cheers :woohoo!:
Please, our prayer is that she has a Happy Birthday, pheartprywpryw, ok? Love always, Walter and Debbie
 
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Says the person taught and trained to by pass what the Lord says in His Word in order to follow doctrines of demons, that tracks.
Cute Dan.....Not very articulate or well thought out...But cute. :gd

And still no Scripture to back up your theory :confused Only words meant to hurt.

I will stick with Scripture. You can stick with your attempt to hurt me and my fellow Christians.
 
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Continued from the O.P.

Many Say "Just Believe"... But What Did Jesus Actually Teach?​

About judging others and examining ourselves​

One of the most quoted teachings of Jesus is, "Judge not." Many people use these words to say that we should never point out sin or speak about what is right and wrong. But when we read everything Jesus says, we see that this is not His meaning.

Matthew 7:1–5 (ASV)

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured unto you. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me cast out the mote out of thine eye; and lo, the beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

Jesus is not saying we should ignore sin. He is warning against hypocrisy. Before trying to correct someone else, we must first examine our own hearts. A person who refuses to deal with his own sins cannot help another with sincerity.

Notice that Jesus says, "first cast out the beam out of thine own eye." Then we will "see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." The goal is still to help our brother, but only after we have first judged ourselves.

Jesus also says:

John 7:24 (ASV)

"Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

Here Jesus does not forbid judgment. Instead, He commands righteous judgment. We are not to judge by outward appearances, personal opinions, or favoritism. We are to judge according to God's truth.

This means we should be careful, fair, and humble. We should never condemn others while excusing ourselves. At the same time, we should not call evil good or good evil. Jesus Himself spoke plainly about sin, but He always did so with truth and mercy.

He also teaches us to forgive those who wrong us.

Luke 6:37 (ASV)

"And judge not, and ye shall not be judged: and condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: release, and ye shall be released."

A follower of Christ should not have a harsh and condemning spirit. Instead, he should be patient, merciful, and willing to forgive, remembering how much mercy God has shown him.

In daily life, this means looking honestly at ourselves before criticizing others. It means asking whether our own lives reflect the teachings of Jesus. It means correcting others gently, not proudly. It means speaking the truth without hatred and showing mercy without compromising what is right.

The message is simple. Jesus calls His followers to examine themselves first, to judge righteously according to God's truth, and to treat others with the same mercy they hope to receive.


About false prophets and false teachers​

Jesus repeatedly warned His followers that not everyone who speaks in God's name speaks the truth. One of the greatest dangers to believers is deception. For this reason, He told His disciples to be watchful.

Matthew 7:15–20 (ASV)

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves. By their fruits ye shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but the corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit... Therefore by their fruits ye shall know them."

Jesus says that false teachers often appear harmless. They may speak kindly, sound convincing, and even claim to speak for God. But appearances are not enough. He tells us to examine the fruit of their lives and the fruit of their teaching.

Good fruit agrees with the words of Jesus and produces lives that reflect His character. Bad fruit turns people away from His teachings, excuses sin, or leads people to trust in something other than obedience to God.

Jesus gives another warning when speaking about the last days.

Matthew 24:4–5 (ASV)

"And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man lead you astray. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am the Christ; and shall lead many astray."

The first warning Jesus gives about the last days is not about wars, earthquakes, or famine. It is about deception. He knew that many would come using His name while teaching things He never taught.

Later He says:

Matthew 24:11 (ASV)

"And many false prophets shall arise, and shall lead many astray."

And again:

Matthew 24:24 (ASV)

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect."

Jesus warns that miracles alone are not proof that someone speaks for God. Even impressive signs can be used to deceive. The true test is whether their teaching agrees with what Jesus taught.

This is why Jesus continually points His followers back to His own words.

John 8:31 (ASV)

"If ye abide in my word, then are ye truly my disciples."

A believer who remains in the teachings of Christ is far less likely to be deceived by teachings that contradict Him.

In daily life, this means we should not believe every teacher simply because they are popular, persuasive, or perform impressive works. We should compare everything with the words of Jesus. If a teaching causes us to ignore His commandments, reject His warnings, or redefine what He clearly taught, then it should be rejected.

Jesus does not tell His followers to live in fear, but He does tell them to be watchful. The safest place for every believer is to remain close to Christ, to know His words well, and to measure every teaching against what He Himself has said.

When we gather all of Jesus' words together, the message is clear. Do not judge with hypocrisy, but judge righteously. Examine yourself before correcting others. And do not follow every voice that claims to speak for God. Remain in the words of Jesus, for His truth is the sure foundation that protects His disciples from deception.
 

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being baptized and living a righteous life will not save you though.

We must be baptized by God himself because we have repented and recieved the gift of life in faith.

We can live a righteous life all we want. we will still not meet Gods demand or requirment for what is required to be saved.

we still sin and fall short
I don't understand your point. Please detail?
 

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being baptized and living a righteous life will not save you though.

We must be baptized by God himself because we have repented and recieved the gift of life in faith.

We can live a righteous life all we want. we will still not meet Gods demand or requirment for what is required to be saved.

we still sin and fall short
What?
 

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being baptized and living a righteous life will not save you though.

We must be baptized by God himself because we have repented and recieved the gift of life in faith.

We can live a righteous life all we want. we will still not meet Gods demand or requirment for what is required to be saved.

we still sin and fall short
You make no sense with this post???