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I did! You are just to stubborn to admit it.
No – you didn’t.
2 Tim. 3:16 is NOT a defense of Sola Scriptura.

It says:
2 Tim. 3:16-17

All Scripture is God-breathed and is USEFUL for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.


It is “useful”NOT out SOLE Authority.

Now -= give me a Scriptural defense for this false Protestant
invention . . .
But you willingly forget that those oral traditions are the very things that became the New Testament!
WRONG – and I’ll give you a perfect example:
The Canon of Scripture.

NOWHERE
in the Bible does it tell us which Books belong in the Bible.
Also – in John 21, we read that Jesus said and did MANY things that are NOT recorded.

See it is implicit. Or implied based on your predisposed bias!
I did give you sola scriptura, you just don't want to accept it.

But let me ask you a question. If the RCC issued a doctrine that cannot be found in scripture or its foundations or priniciples found in Scripture, would you consider it from God?
EVERYTHING the Church teachers is found either in Scripture or in the foundations and principles from Scripture.
 

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Neither of these passages supports the false doctrine of Solo Scriptura because neither of these passages states that ALL of God's word is encompassed in what is written..

You have YET to provide a Biblical verse that teaches that Scripture is our SOLE authority . . .
Soul authority. :hearteyes:

You're right. You have yet to see the scriptures. I know.

Here's the thing.

The Bible is God's word.
Your institution insists that's not the sole authority of God,under God.

You need a church created by men.

And you are right.
 

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Soul authority. :hearteyes:

You're right. You have yet to see the scriptures. I know.

Here's the thing.

The Bible is God's word.
Your institution insists that's not the sole authority of God,under God.

You need a church created by men.

And you are right.
The church was created by a man. Jesus!

You can't make up your own meanings to words. Profitable doesn't mean sole or alone

You're a follower of Luther
 
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Soul authority. :hearteyes:
You're right. You have yet to see the scriptures. I know.

Here's the thing.
The Bible is God's word.

Your institution insists that's not the sole authority of God,under God.

You need a church created by men.

And you are right.
I don't know why you guys are so afraid to offer some sctual Biblical evidence for Sola Scriptura. As I stated before, 2 Tim. 3:16-17 simply states that Scriptur is useful - NOT that it is our ONLY Authority.

If you're gong to base your beliefs on this false pillar - at LEAST try to support it with
Scripture . . .
 
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Another empty response when faced with the challenge to provide Biblical evidence for your false invention of Sola Scriotura.

Good
job . . .
 

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Another empty response when faced with the challenge to provide Biblical evidence for your false invention of Sola Scriotura.

Good
job . . .
You're un-teachable. Yes mom, it's a word now.

You don't have even the capacity to think. When the Bible is God's word,given by The Word who later became flesh to dwell among us and give us his words. Jesus,the bread of and water of life.
If all one has is the Bible,they have guidance and proof of God and his direction for living.


You though are repeatedly admitting you're an unbeliever in scripture.
You ignore God's words because you think men need to tell you how to believe. And that's why the Bible is a foreign object to you.

Because like most Catholics,you don't read it.

You have priests that tell you what to believe of it.

When a council decrees gifts of God alone are to be a cursed, that's Satanism.

You will never learn.
Never see.
Never hear.
Never understand.


Unless God wills it.

That's in scripture too.
 

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No – you didn’t.
2 Tim. 3:16 is NOT a defense of Sola Scriptura.

It says:
2 Tim. 3:16-17

All Scripture is God-breathed and is USEFUL for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

It is “useful”NOT out SOLE Authority.

Now -= give me a Scriptural defense for this false Protestant
invention . . .

WRONG
– and I’ll give you a perfect example:
The Canon of Scripture.

NOWHERE
in the Bible does it tell us which Books belong in the Bible.
Also – in John 21, we read that Jesus said and did MANY things that are NOT recorded.


EVERYTHING the Church teachers is found either in Scripture or in the foundations and principles from Scripture.
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
 

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Lmbo profitable doesn't mean only no matter how much you really really really really really want it to mean that
Well I accept it as written not as redefined.

When Jesus says I have been given eternal life- I believe it! Not some probationary life if I measure up to some man made works program.
 
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No – you didn’t.
2 Tim. 3:16 is NOT a defense of Sola Scriptura.

It says:
2 Tim. 3:16-17

All Scripture is God-breathed and is USEFUL for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

It is “useful”NOT out SOLE Authority.

Now -= give me a Scriptural defense for this false Protestant
invention . .
I did not know you are mankinds arbiter for what is and isn't a defense. The defense is 2 Tim 3:16.

Every doctrine, teaching and priniciple man needs to live a life pleasing to God is found in Scripture!

Not every action or decuision, but Scripture is used to make those decisions based on teh priniciples found in Scripture.

any teaching that contradicts the plain clear teaching must be resisted at all costs! Like the perpetual virginity of Mary! or that she never sinned!
 
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WRONG – and I’ll give you a perfect example:
The Canon of Scripture.

NOWHERE
in the Bible does it tell us which Books belong in the Bible.
Also – in John 21, we read that Jesus said and did MANY things that are NOT recorded.
When they wrote them they did not know they were writing Scripture. the church chose which books under the direction and will of god, not their own opinions.
EVERYTHING the Church teachers is found either in Scripture or in the foundations and principles from Scripture.
Well that argument is what Sola Scripture is about.

But show me from Scripture the perpetual virginity of Mary and that she was conceived sinless and never sinned in her life!
 
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You're un-teachable. Yes mom, it's a word now.

You don't have even the capacity to think. When the Bible is God's word,given by The Word who later became flesh to dwell among us and give us his words. Jesus,the bread of and water of life.
If all one has is the Bible,they have guidance and proof of God and his direction for living.

You though are repeatedly admitting you're an unbeliever in scripture.
You ignore God's words because you think men need to tell you how to believe. And that's why the Bible is a foreign object to you.

Because like most Catholics,you don't read it.

You have priests that tell you what to believe of it.

When a council decrees gifts of God alone are to be a cursed, that's Satanism.

You will never learn.
Never see.
Never hear.
Never understand.

Unless God wills it.

That's in scripture too.
Yet another verbose diatribe that sheds absolutely ZERO Biblical support for Sola Scriptura.
Good job . . .

You claim that the Bible is our SOLE Authority, coming from the splintered world of Protestantism where ANYBODY can interpret the Bible for themselves. This is why we have thousand of perpetually-splintering sects who ALL teach different doctrines while claiming they were ALL led to this confusion by the Holy Spirit.

He is NOT the God of confusion – but if
UNITY (John 17:20-23, 1 Cor. 12) . . .
 

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Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
This sows NOT makes the Protestant claim that Scripture is our SOLE Authority.

Scripture is authoritative. But, according to Scripture itself, Christ’s Church is also authoritative and speaks for Christ Himself:

Luke 10:16

Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

Matt 16:18-19
And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.
I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven; and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Matt. 18:17-18
If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.
Amen, I say to you, WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven, and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

John 16:12-15
“I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now.
But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to ALL truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to YOU the things that are coming.
He will glorify me, because he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.
Everything that the Father has is MINE; for this reason I told you that he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.
 

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I did not know you are mankinds arbiter for what is and isn't a defense. The defense is 2 Tim 3:16.

Every doctrine, teaching and priniciple man needs to live a life pleasing to God is found in Scripture!

Not every action or decuision, but Scripture is used to make those decisions based on teh priniciples found in Scripture.
That’s a FAR cry from saying that Scripture is our SOE Authority.

Nobody is saying that Scripture isn’t authoritative. It’s just not our SOLE authority – as Scripture itself tells us (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).

any teaching that contradicts the plain clear teaching must be resisted at all costs! Like the perpetual virginity of Mary! or that she never sinned!
Scripture teaches us on TWO ways:
Explicitly and Implicitly.

BOTH
of these teachings about Mary are implicitly taught in Scripture.
 

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When they wrote them they did not know they were writing Scripture. the church chose which books under the direction and will of god, not their own opinions.
PREICISELY.

The Church was led by the Holy Spirit to this truth – just as Jesus promised:

John 16:12-15

“I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now.
But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to ALL truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to YOU the things that are coming.
He will glorify me, because he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.
Everything that the Father has is MINE; for this reason I told you that he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.

Well that argument is what Sola Scripture is about.

But show me from Scripture the perpetual virginity of Mary and that she was conceived sinless and never sinned in her life!
WRONG.

Sola Scriptura is a theological principle asserting that Scripture alone is the supreme authority for faith, doctrine, and practice.

As I have stated as nauseam – Scripture IS authoritative.
It simply does NOT teach that it is our ONLY Authority.

But show me from Scripture the perpetual virginity of Mary and that she was conceived sinless and never sinned in her life!
Thes implicit teachings are all over Scripture.

The fact that the Bible NEVER makes the claim that Mary had other children is implicit evidence of her Perpetual Virginity. We only read about some of the “Adelphoi” of Jesus. This term was applied to brothers, half brothers, cousins, uncles, nephews, kinsmen, same tribe, fellow believers and even fellow countrymen.

There are 344 instances are instances where the word “Adelphos” and all of its variations are used in the NT:
- 41 times (12%) are cases where "Adelphos" clearly or probably refers to a family sibling.
- 47 instances (14%) are cases where "Adelphos" may or may not refer to a family sibling.
- 256 instances (74%) are cases where "Adelphos" cannot or almost certainly does NOT refer to a family sibling.

Among other verses, Luke 1:28 gives us a glimpse of Mary’s sinlessness.

The Greek word is “Kecharitomene” that Luke used in his Gospel (v.1:28), which is the perfect passive participle, indicates a “completed action with a permanent result”. It translates, “completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace.” Mary is the ONLY person in ALL of Scripture who is called “Kecharitomene.”

The Angel didn’t say, “Hail Mary, full of grace.”
He said,
“Hail, Kecharitomene” . . .
 

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This sows NOT makes the Protestant claim that Scripture is our SOLE Authority.

Scripture is authoritative. But, according to Scripture itself, Christ’s Church is also authoritative and speaks for Christ Himself:

Luke 10:16

Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."
This is speaking of Christ
Matt 16:18-19
And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.
I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven; and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
This is authority given to all believers
Matt. 18:17-18
If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.
Amen, I say to you, WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven, and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
This is in the context of dealing with issues between brothers. It does not grant the church OR the pope the ability to speak ex cathedra
John 16:12-15
“I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now.
But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to ALL truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to YOU the things that are coming.
He will glorify me, because he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.
Everything that the Father has is MINE; for this reason I told you that he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.
This is speaking of the Holy Spirit...not the authority of the church.


You are taking verses out of context. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees on numerous occasions about the danger of tradition over the scriptures.

Mt 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

Mk 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Mk 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


This grants sola scriptura. If they speak not according to the scriptures it is because they are in darkness:

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.


What word? Not the word of the church. Not the word of the pope. It is talking about the scriptures.

Here is the testimony of Jesus:

Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written...

Mt 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again,

Mt 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written...
 
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That’s a FAR cry from saying that Scripture is our SOE Authority.

Nobody is saying that Scripture isn’t authoritative. It’s just not our SOLE authority – as Scripture itself tells us (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).
But those authorities you speak of are embedded in the Word. The only reason the church can exercise that authority is because the Living Word embedded it in the inspired written word.
Scripture teaches us on TWO ways:
Explicitly and Implicitly.

BOTH
of these teachings about Mary are implicitly taught in Scripture.
Lies!
Matt. 1:25
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.

Joseph did not have sex wioth Mary until Jesus was born1 that is explicit in the bible. there is no implicit teaching that Mary refused her husband sex to stay a virgin.

As for Mary being sinless? If there was an implicit teaching in Scripture, you would have swiftly showed the passages to prove me wrong.
PREICISELY.

The Church was led by the Holy Spirit to this truth – just as Jesus promised:

John 16:12-15

“I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now.
But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to ALL truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to YOU the things that are coming.
He will glorify me, because he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.
Everything that the Father has is MINE; for this reason I told you that he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.
You agreed with me! this could start a trend! the church did not decide which books. It was God working in and through the church that brought them to that decision. He would not entrust eternal values to the whim of any man.
Thes implicit teachings are all over Scripture.

The fact that the Bible NEVER makes the claim that Mary had other children is implicit evidence of her Perpetual Virginity. We only read about some of the “Adelphoi” of Jesus. This term was applied to brothers, half brothers, cousins, uncles, nephews, kinsmen, same tribe, fellow believers and even fellow countrymen.

There are 344 instances are instances where the word “Adelphos” and all of its variations are used in the NT:
- 41 times (12%) are cases where "Adelphos" clearly or probably refers to a family sibling.
- 47 instances (14%) are cases where "Adelphos" may or may not refer to a family sibling.
- 256 instances (74%) are cases where "Adelphos" cannot or almost certainly does NOT refer to a family sibling.

Among other verses, Luke 1:28 gives us a glimpse of Mary’s sinlessness.

The Greek word is “Kecharitomene” that Luke used in his Gospel (v.1:28), which is the perfect passive participle, indicates a “completed action with a permanent result”. It translates, “completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace.” Mary is the ONLY person in ALL of Scripture who is called “Kecharitomene.”

The Angel didn’t say, “Hail Mary, full of grace.”
He said,
“Hail, Kecharitomene” . . .
As for "Adelphos" you are worn wrong wrong!
adelphos (Key)
Pronunciation
ad-el-fos'
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Part of Speech
masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
From ἄλφα (G1) (as a connective particle) and delphus (the womb)
Dictionary Aids
Vine's Expository Dictionary: View Entr
TDNT Reference: 1:144,22
KJV Translation Count — Total: 346x
The KJV translates Strong's G80 in the following manner: brethren (226x), brother (113x), brother's (6x), brother's way (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
  1. a brother, whether born of the same two parents or only of the same father or mother
  2. having the same national ancestor, belonging to the same people, or countryman
  3. any fellow or man
  4. a fellow believer, united to another by the bond of affection
  5. an associate in employment or office
  6. brethren in Christ
    1. his brothers by blood
    2. all men
    3. apostles
    4. Christians, as those who are exalted to the same heavenly place
As for these being Joseph' children from another marriage? Not at all likely. When Jesus was a small child the Maji told them to flee for Herod was to kill Jesus. Only Mary, Joseph and Jesus fled to Egypt. There is no implication that there were four brothers and at leas two sisters that went along or abandoned and left behind!

Adelphos when referring to family gives a possibility of the four brothers to be half brothers. but the rabbis speaking would have known that for they had lived there for at least 25 years.

As for Mary and Kecharitomene.” other manuscripts have the word charitoo which is synonymous, it means one who has been endowed with favor. It says nothing about sinlessness, just that she was graced by God to bear Jesus!

But the rest of Scripture says all have sinned with no exceptions. Your implicitness is based on a romansit predisposition that has been indoctrinated in yo from a child, not from any implicitness in Scripture.

and it is a far dangerous thing to make a doctrine that very vaguely might imply something without any other evidence! But nice try1


It cannot mean cousin- there was aword commonly used in Jesus day to designate cousins.
syngenēs (Key)
Part of Speech
adjective
Root Word (Etymology)
From σύν (G4862) and γένος (G1085)


Dictionary Aids
Vine's Expository Dictionary: View Entry
TDNT Reference: 7:736,1097
KJV Translation Count — Total: 12x
The KJV translates Strong's G4773 in the following manner: kinsman (7x), cousin (2x), kinsfolk (2x), kin (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
  1. of the same kin, akin to, related by blood
  2. in a wider sense, of the same nation, a fellow countryman

I don't think that they forgot that same word more than 30 years later!
 

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Yet another verbose diatribe that sheds absolutely ZERO Biblical support for Sola Scriptura.
Good job . . .

You claim that the Bible is our SOLE Authority, coming from the splintered world of Protestantism where ANYBODY can interpret the Bible for themselves. This is why we have thousand of perpetually-splintering sects who ALL teach different doctrines while claiming they were ALL led to this confusion by the Holy Spirit.

He is NOT the God of confusion – but if
UNITY (John 17:20-23, 1 Cor. 12) . . .
And yet Roman Catholicism did not make the scene until the 5th century. And all th epopes from Peter to Gregory the 1st were popized posthumously.
 

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Well I accept it as written not as redefined.

When Jesus says I have been given eternal life- I believe it! Not some probationary life if I measure up to some man made works program.
Profitable doesnt mean only. You dont even bother to think do you? You people are hilarious. The level of ignorance is astounding
 

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Profitable doesnt mean only. You dont even bother to think do you? You people are hilarious. The level of ignorance is astounding
And you rlevel of maturity is very underwhelming.

Jesus said "man does not live by bread alone, but by every word of God!"

You tell me if something is not found in the bible why should we believe it?