The extortion gospel - "believe or burn" - not really a choice

[Jack]

You have your own gospel Jack!

I quoted Jesus. Do you know what Jesus said about "ALL LIARS"? I doubt it.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

The extortion gospel - "believe or burn" - not really a choice

Mark 16:16-18
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

The fake gospel of the scripture twisters love to cast dispersion upon the Lord because their father the devil leads them to do so.

In my experience, Hell is rarely if ever mentioned.

Yeah the false teachers rarely mention hell because their father the devil instructs them not to.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I quoted Jesus. Do you know what Jesus said about "ALL LIARS"? I doubt it.

Your approach is false, and you haven't the skills to interpret correctly.

 

[Jack]

Your approach is false, and you haven't the skills to interpret correctly.

Should I believe you or Jesus? Hmm Have you read what Jesus said about THE FIRE? He mentioned it several times. Time is running out!

Matthew 13:49-50
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just,
50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

You have your own gospel Jack!

You are claiming Jesus Christ is a liar.

That ends very badly there hoss... you should repent while there's time, or not. It matters not to me.

 

[Hiddenthings]

@Jack the problem with you is you are the very definition of a fundamentalist a word used negatively for those who take a strict, literal approach to all Scripture. It's also called being a flat reader, someone ignore layers of meaning, metaphor, or typology. You suffer terribly from this Jack, possibly the worst I've seen in forums over the past 30 years. The Pharisees were horrendous for doing this and in fact they went further by creating their own laws and precepts. Imagine you Jack with power and authority and you have a frightening reality.

Because you are lonely person who clearly lives alone - you should study with others. This will help you overcome your problem.

Read how the Apostle interpreted the OT and gains their skills for careful reading of the Word.

More than ever you need to start learning about figures of speech and symbolic language.

Learn about the Historical and Cultural context.

But before all these read James 1:5 which promises that God gives wisdom generously. Asking God to open your eyes helps us discern His meaning beyond the surface.

While this applies to you most Jack - the whole forum can benefit from doing this.

Case Study for Jack

Mark 9:48 “where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.

Where did Jesus get this idea from?
How did he change it?
Why did he change it?
What is the lesson for you?

 

[Jack]

@Jack the problem with you is you are the very definition of a fundamentalist a word used negatively for those who take a strict, literal approach to all Scripture. It's also called being a flat reader, someone ignore layers of meaning, metaphor, or typology. You suffer terribly from this Jack, possibly the worst I've seen in forums over the past 30 years. The Pharisees were horrendous for doing this and in fact they went further by creating their own laws and precepts. Imagine you Jack with power and authority and you have a frightening reality.

Because you are lonely person who clearly lives alone - you should study with others. This will help you overcome your problem.

Read how the Apostle interpreted the OT and gains their skills for careful reading of the Word.

More than ever you need to start learning about figures of speech and symbolic language.

Learn about the Historical and Cultural context.

But before all these read James 1:5 which promises that God gives wisdom generously. Asking God to open your eyes helps us discern His meaning beyond the surface.

While this applies to you most Jack - the whole forum can benefit from doing this.

Case Study for Jack

Mark 9:48 “where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.

Where did Jesus get this idea from?
How did he change it?
Why did he change it?
What is the lesson for you?

This is the part you need to pay attention to: "the fire is not quenched." NEVER!

Christians are trying to pull you from the FIRE as Jesus commanded us to do. There may be hope for you!

Jude 1:22-23
22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,

 

[Hiddenthings]

This is the part you need to pay attention to: "the fire is not quenched." NEVER!

Mark 9:48 “where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.

Where did Jesus get this idea from?
How did he change it?
Why did he change it?
What is the lesson for you?

 

[Jack]

Mark 9:48 “where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.

Where did Jesus get this idea from?
How did he change it?
Why did he change it?
What is the lesson for you?

Jesus is God. Don't you even know that?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

@Jack the problem with you is you are the very definition of a fundamentalist a word used negatively for those who take a strict, literal approach to all Scripture. It's also called being a flat reader, someone ignore layers of meaning, metaphor, or typology.

Those that don't take what God says as being the Truth are open to the scripture twisting of those being led by the devil.

The classic example of that is how the devil twisted scripture when he was talking to Jesus trying to get Jesus to sin.

 

[Hiddenthings]

@Jack the large CAPS and BOLD is yet another sign you suffer from anger which is born out of fundamentalism

Acts 7:54: “When the members of the Sanhedrin heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him.”

It's a troubled mind which cannot bend to truth.

 

[Jack]

It's a troubled mind which cannot bend to truth.

Maybe Jesus will help you.

Jude 1:22-23
22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,

 

[Hiddenthings]

Those that don't take what God says as being the Truth are open to the scripture twisting of those being led by the devil.

The classic example of that is how the devil twisted scripture when he was talking to Jesus trying to get Jesus to sin.

This is just more of the same. Lacking critical thinking is the reason why Jack does not know where Jesus took his teaching from in Mark 9:48
or how he applied it to his own. The fact you hold to a fallen angel shows me you suffer the same as Jack...but maybe not as severe.

 

[Jack]

This is just more of the same. Lacking critical thinking is the reason why Jack does not know where Jesus took his teaching from in Mark 9:48
or how he applied it to his own. The fact you hold to a fallen angel shows me you suffer the same as Jack...but maybe not as severe.

Your Bible attacks do not overrule Jesus!

 

[Hiddenthings]

Maybe Jesus will help you.

Jude 1:22-23
22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,

You could quote a hundred verses and still not grasp a single one. This is exactly the type of mindset Jesus faced throughout his ministry, and ultimately, it was such hardness of heart that led to His death.

You may not realize the seriousness of your anger or the way you approach things, but I have seen it clearly for a long time. Others on this forum may recognize it as well, though they might not speak up.

 

[Jack]

You could quote a hundred verses and still not grasp a single one.

Translation: You reject the Christian Bible!

This is exactly the type of mindset Jesus faced throughout his ministry, and ultimately, it was such hardness of heart that led to His death.

You may not realize the seriousness of your anger

I have no anger. WRONG as usual!

or the way you approach things, but I have seen it clearly for a long time. Others on this forum may recognize it as well, though they might not speak up.

Hell Fire will be filled with BILLIONS who don't believe in Hell. There may be hope for you.

 

[Hiddenthings]

@Jack what gives me hope is your last reply lacked the LARGE CAPS which shows you are teachable.

You should hold onto that with all your strength.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Hell Fire will be filled with BILLIONS who don't believe in Hell. There may be hope for you.

But then as all fundamentalists do they revert back so quickly to anger. If you ever learn the true Gospel which saves all this will be let go.

 

[Jack]

@Jack what gives me hope is your last reply lacked the LARGE CAPS which shows you are teachable.

You should hold onto that with all your strength.

I keep quoting Jesus. All you have are YOUR Bible attacking opinions.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Mark 9:48 “where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.

Where did Jesus get this idea from?
How did he change it?
Why did he change it?
What is the lesson for you?

@Jack have a go! You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Or you end up believing in eternal immortal worms and what hope does that offer you?