Charlie Kirk assassinated in Utah

[Dan Clarkston]

a population that understands that criminals must be punished for their crimes.

Who said forgiveness means they won't be punished?

I forgive him, but he needs to be put to death for killing another human being in cold blood, premeditated.

ALL people that kill in cold blood like this need to be put to death as it is the Lord that established the death penalty

Romans 13:2-4
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

 

[Riven]

Who said forgiveness means they won't be punished?

I forgive him, but he needs to be put to death for killing another human being in cold blood, premeditated.

ALL people that kill in cold blood like this need to be put to death as it is the Lord that established the death penalty

Romans 13:2-4
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

The ends result is the same. The only difference here, is that you're forgiving a murderer that isn't asking for your forgiveness, while still demanding that the executioner do his duty.

 

[Muna]

You can still suffer as a murderer

1 Peter 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.

Worthy of death

Acts 25:11 For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die: but if there be none of these things whereof these accuse me, no man may deliver me unto them. I appeal unto Caesar.

 

[Iina]

I didn't follow Charlie, but political violence is just so disgusting. He was married and had two children. He was at an event discussing topics and debating anyone in the audience that wished to do so.

Of course, I am against these murders, but politics is violence. How could it be otherwise? Every state ultimately resorts to force and coercion when its will is met with resistance. The state exists precisely because it can compel its citizens to do things they do not want to do: pay taxes, obey rules, and live in a way that the ruling minority deems rational.
This is by no means a single conspiracy but a law of nature: society is inherently hierarchical, and equality has never been anything but an illusion. Power always concentrates in a small circle, that elite, which shapes laws, traditions, and even truth itself to suit its own purposes. The law is not some impartial truth but the command of the powerful: what they want and when they want it.
Politics divides the world into friends and enemies, and there is no room for hesitation. Neutrality is weakness, and the weak do not rule. The state’s duty is to assert its will, protect its people, and maintain order: this always comes at someone else’s expense. That’s just the way it is.

 

[Matthias]

Why?

God doesn’t want anyone to perish.

He murdered a man in cold blood in front of his family. He doesn't deserve forgiveness.

No sinner deserves forgiveness. As heinous as murder is, it isn’t the unpardonable sin.

 

[dak]

If you are really interested, go do some research.

If you don't know God's Word and are submitted to the Holy Spirit you'll remain clueless as you are now to have to ask this silly question.





If you are skeered.... just admit it.

The truth is, most people that are mentally stable and know how to control their emotions will understand the person is gone and life goes on.... so she'll move on with her life, get her another fella and live happily ever after.

Anyone that loves their wife would want her to move on and be happy.... only a psycho would sit around imagining how sad everyone one will be when they die. Only a sicko does that sort of thing.

Ah well, another quadruple boosted....
Former DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano's Zombie Apocalypse is upon us.

 

[Riven]

No sinner deserves forgiveness. As heinous as murder is, it isn’t the unpardonable sin.

That's precisely my point. You can be a murderer and still make it into heaven. Whereas the upstanding citizen that never murdered anyone, ends up going to hell because they either don't believe, or they chose a different religion in life.

One thing is for certain: he won't escape man's justice.

 

[Matthias]

That's precisely my point. You can be a murderer and still make it into heaven.

No one is making it into heaven and no one who doesn’t repent will be granted the life of the age to come.

Whereas the upstanding citizen that never murdered anyone, ends up going to hell because they either don't believe, or they chose a different religion in life.

That’s not the way Yahweh and the Messiah operate.

One thing is for certain: he won't escape man's justice.

God’s justice is infinitely greater and more reliable than is man’s justice.

In this country a person is innocent until proven guilty and many innocent people thought to have been guilty turned out to be innocent.

And then there are the accused who were found to be innocent when in fact they were guilty. They escaped man’s justice, but they will not escape God’s justice.

 

[Riven]

 

[Matthias]

Level of difficulty selecting an unbiased jury?

 

[Riven]

Level of difficulty selecting an unbiased jury?

Immense. It seems like a significant number of Americans have been turned into commies.

 

[Lizbeth]

Of course, I am against these murders, but politics is violence. How could it be otherwise? Every state ultimately resorts to force and coercion when its will is met with resistance. The state exists precisely because it can compel its citizens to do things they do not want to do: pay taxes, obey rules, and live in a way that the ruling minority deems rational.
This is by no means a single conspiracy but a law of nature: society is inherently hierarchical, and equality has never been anything but an illusion. Power always concentrates in a small circle, that elite, which shapes laws, traditions, and even truth itself to suit its own purposes. The law is not some impartial truth but the command of the powerful: what they want and when they want it.
Politics divides the world into friends and enemies, and there is no room for hesitation. Neutrality is weakness, and the weak do not rule. The state’s duty is to assert its will, protect its people, and maintain order: this always comes at someone else’s expense. That’s just the way it is.

But always, God is ruling over it all, raising or lowering kings and kingdoms, either blessing or cursing nations who reap what they sow. He either protects from evil or gives a nation over to it, and degrees in between. The mind of man may plan his way, but it is the Lord who ultimately directs his steps, scripture says. Righteousness exalts a nation, sin brings reproach.

 

[Lizbeth]

That's precisely my point. You can be a murderer and still make it into heaven. Whereas the upstanding citizen that never murdered anyone, ends up going to hell because they either don't believe, or they chose a different religion in life.

One thing is for certain: he won't escape man's justice.

If a murderer comes to Christ and repents of his evil deed, he is no longer a murderer.....the bible says, "for that is what some of you WERE", past tense. Coming to Christ makes one a new creation.

 

[Lizbeth]

Sounds more like a call to arms rather than a woman in mourning. She hit all the MAGA talking points and never shed a tear that I could see.

She should’ve focused a little more on mourning for Charlie and less time trying to inspire MAGA to more hate.

i know my wife would be way too distraught even a couple of months after my murder to put out a call to arms video.

Anger is often part of the grieving process. If she knows the Lord she may grapple with it and feel differently after a while. Times like this, when there is darkness is the church's opportunity to rise up and be the church and let our light shine. Love our enemies, and forgive. Witness to Jesus' mercy. Mixing Christianity with politics confuses what we should be about as the church. We can't serve two masters. As I don't doubt you agree.

 

[mailmandan]

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[Lizbeth]

Who said forgiveness means they won't be punished?

I forgive him, but he needs to be put to death for killing another human being in cold blood, premeditated.

ALL people that kill in cold blood like this need to be put to death as it is the Lord that established the death penalty

Romans 13:2-4
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Yes....but we need to discern and separate between the holy and the profane/common, as scripture also says. The church is not the government. Our mandate as the church and followers of Jesus is not the same mandate God gives to governments. Church and state needs to be kept separate. Government's job is to mete out justice.....the church's job is to mete out mercy and forgiveness as Jesus had mercy on us, and overcome evil with good.

 

[soberxp]

You know what they say about him on the Chinese internet? Say he was martyred, you own a gun, you're safe, and...

 

[Riven]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1967940081668264137

 

[dak]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1967940081668264137

Jeff Rense is usually labelled a conspiracy theorist, but if the video he has found is real, he apparently found both the killer and the weapon, (just posted yesterday, 9/16/25).

Looped video:

Isolated Video Loop Of Brown Shirt Man Firing Palm Pistol At Charlie Kirk - Any Doubts Now?

rense.com

Full explanation: (text and image files).

Charlie Kirk Murder Weapon Revealed And How The Brown Shirt Man (Professional Assassin) Killed Him

rense.com

 

[PS95]

Jeff Rense is usually labelled a conspiracy theorist, but if the video he has found is real, he apparently found both the killer and the weapon, (just posted yesterday, 9/16/25).

Looped video:

Isolated Video Loop Of Brown Shirt Man Firing Palm Pistol At Charlie Kirk - Any Doubts Now?

rense.com

Full explanation: (text and image files).

Charlie Kirk Murder Weapon Revealed And How The Brown Shirt Man (Professional Assassin) Killed Him

rense.com

No. You can see here that the 2 men who jumped up towards the stage could not have shot him. One comes from the right of Charlie and the one on the left was running before he took the leap. Also, he appears to have a brown shirt, but look at rense's pic and those people in the pic are not there in the video. You can see all of this in the first 6 seconds of this video