Is it possible to lose salvation?

[nedsk]

And you rlevel of maturity is very underwhelming.

Jesus said "man does not live by bread alone, but by every word of God!"

You tell me if something is not found in the bible why should we believe it?

Every word except,

eat my flesh and drink my blood which Jesus says three times then says, for my flesh is real good and my blood is real drink.

Those are yucky right?

If you believe osas, sola fide and sola scriptura you believe A LOT of stuff not in bible. Hilarious

 

[Dan Clarkston]

If you believe osas, sola fide and sola scriptura you believe A LOT of stuff not in bible. Hilarious

Sola scriptura is supposed to be the belief that the Bible is the sole infallible source of authority for Christian faith and practice.

Very people actually believe or practice that though.

If you don't believe God's Word is the sole infallible source of authority for Christian faith and practice, where do you get your beliefs from???

 

[nedsk]

Sola scriptura is supposed to be the belief that the Bible is the sole infallible source of authority for Christian faith and practice.

Very people actually believe or practice that though.

If you don't believe God's Word is the sole infallible source of authority for Christian faith and practice, where do you get your beliefs from???

From where do you get "God's word"?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

From where do you get "God's word"?

See... you have been deceived in to believing the Lord, thru Holy Spirit, was incapable of directing His Word to be put in to written form.

That's why you are deceived!

And, I'll ask again.... since you acknowledge you reject the written Word of God, WHERE do you get Truth from???

Just any old thoughts floating thru your mind that sound OK you think is from the Lord?

That's how we got so called "gay christians" and other such nonsense.

 

[nedsk]

See... you have been deceived in to believing the Lord, thru Holy Spirit, was incapable of directing His Word to be put in to written form.

That's why you are deceived!

And, I'll ask again.... since you acknowledge you reject the written Word of God, WHERE do you get Truth from???

Just any old thoughts floating thru your mind that sound OK you think is from the Lord?

That's how we got so called "gay christians" and other such nonsense.

I'll ask again politely because you were rude enough the first time not to answer.

From where do you get God's Word from? It's not a hard question.

 

[pandaflower]

When someone admits they reject the written words from God, besides that then being a self incriminating admission they committed fraud when registering here as a Christian,how do we justify trying to counter their posts using scripture they don't believe in or respect?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Answered already.... too bad you missed it!

Shalt thou goesy backeth and readest what has been written thus far and seest if thou canst findeth it?

 

[nedsk]

Answered already.... too bad you missed it!

Shalt thou goesy backeth and readest what has been written thus far and seest if thou canst findeth it? View attachment 70017

You don't even have the integrity to answer me directly. You people really hate being questioned. It's fascinating to watch

Show me where Scripture says it is the sole authority of faith.

 

[nedsk]

When someone admits they reject the written words from God, besides that then being a self incriminating admission they committed fraud when registering here as a Christian,how do we justify trying to counter their posts using scripture they don't believe in or respect?

You just ignore the written words of God and have been told by other heretics what the words mean.

 

[Davy]

From where do you get God's Word from? It's not a hard question.

Apostle Peter well answered that...

2 Peter 1:16-21
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty.

17 For He received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to Him from the excellent glory, "This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased."

18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with Him in the holy mount.

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
KJV

 

[nedsk]

Apostle Peter well answered that...

2 Peter 1:16-21
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty.

17 For He received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to Him from the excellent glory, "This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased."

18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with Him in the holy mount.

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
KJV

Well I have to say I do appreciate that you had the decency to actually answer the question. As to your answer they spoke and it was written down. The short answer is the Bible is where we get God's word from. And the Bible no where says it is the some rule of faith.

 

[Davy]

Well I have to say I do appreciate that you had the decency to actually answer the question. As to your answer they spoke and it was written down. The short answer is the Bible is where we get God's word from. And the Bible no where says it is the some rule of faith.

Did you mean 'sole' rule of faith?

Well, The Bible, The Word of God, actually IS... the sole rule of Faith regarding God's Plan of Salvation through His Son Jesus Christ Who died on the cross for the remission of sins of those who believe. And Apostle Paul said in Gal.3:22 that the Scriptures have concluded all under sin so that the Promise by Faith of Jesus Christ would be to those who believe. That means we cannot make up our own definition of that Faith, we must agree with how God's Word defines that Faith.

 

[nedsk]

Did you mean 'sole' rule of faith?

Well, The Bible, The Word of God, actually IS... the sole rule of Faith regarding God's Plan of Salvation through His Son Jesus Christ Who died on the cross for the remission of sins of those who believe. And Apostle Paul said in Gal.3:22 that the Scriptures have concluded all under sin so that the Promise by Faith of Jesus Christ would be to those who believe. That means we cannot make up our own definition of that Faith, we must agree with how God's Word defines that Faith.

Yes, sole rule of faith.

Where does the sole rule of faith say it is the sole rule of faith? The passage you cited doesn't say it

 

[Davy]

Yes, sole rule of faith.

Where does the sole rule of faith say it is the sole rule of faith? The passage you cited doesn't say it

If you claim to be a Christian, which you did select in your avatar, then show me where your actual <NAME> is written in the Book of Life in God's Word. I don't see your NAME written anywhere in God's 'written' Word. That's the kind of question you are asking, which is really a show of Biblical ignorance.

 

[nedsk]

If you claim to be a Christian, which you did select in your avatar, then show me where your actual <NAME> is written in the Book of Life in God's Word. I don't see your NAME written anywhere in God's 'written' Word. That's the kind of question you are asking, which is really a show of Biblical ignorance.

I never made the claim my name was in there so why would I need to show evidence that it is? You think you have a gotcha question there but it's just laziness. As to whether or not im a Christian your opinion in that regard is meaningless to me.

You however claim the word of God (the Bible) is the sole rule.of faith. Wonderful. I have no problem believing you as long as the sole rule of faith declared itself as such. Please direct me to the book chapter and verse(s) where it does so. I'll wait here. I bet the next response from you is about me rather than the issue at hand. Let's see.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Every word except,

eat my flesh and drink my blood which Jesus says three times then says, for my flesh is real good and my blood is real drink.

Those are yucky right?

If you believe osas, sola fide and sola scriptura you believe A LOT of stuff not in bible. Hilarious

And Jesus explained that phrase which is part of a Passover Seder. No they are not yucky, but wonderful1.

and sorry but osas, sole fide and sola scriptura are what the bible teaches.

But why should we believe things not found in the bible , e3specially when they contradict the clear teaching of Scripture.

Things like the perpetual virginity of Mary, Mary was born sinless and never sinnned, and Mary Queen of Heaven and Purgatory.

I actually pity folks like you, Bread of Life and Marymog. You all believe that jesus did not die and pay the price for all your sins. I know you believe that because you believe you can lose your salvation by sin. But Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10 tell us IF we could lose lose our salvation, it is impossible again to restore such a one to repentance.

 

[BreadOfLife]

This is speaking of Christ

No – it is Christ speaking to His Disciples.

This is authority given to all believers

WRONG.

When Jesus spoke to the crowds – it was to ALL believers.
When He instructed His Apostles – it was to the leaders of His Church.

This is in the context of dealing with issues between brothers. It does not grant the church OR the pope the ability to speak ex cathedra

It is a statement of the Authority of the Church.
Jesus never gives this Authority to the crowds.

This is speaking of the Holy Spirit...not the authority of the church.

Open your eyes.

It is speaking ABOUT the Holy Spirit and the Authority He gives the Church.
“… he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.”

You are taking verses out of context. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees on numerous occasions about the danger of tradition over the scriptures.

Mt 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

Mk 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Mk 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

This grants sola scriptura. If they speak not according to the scriptures it is because they are in darkness:

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

What word? Not the word of the church. Not the word of the pope. It is talking about the scriptures.

Here is the testimony of Jesus:

Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written...

WRONG.

First of all, the traditions that Jesus condemned were the ones that the Pharisees placed ABOVE the word of God. Things like the washing of cups, pitchers and kettles.

Sacred Tradition, on the other hand is what Paul is talking about in 2 Thess.
2 Thess 2:15
"Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an ORAL STATEMENT or by a LETTER from us."

He placed these Traditions ON PAR with Scripture.

Mt 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again,

Mt 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written...

First of all - “Firstborn” does NOT indicate that she had “other” children. It’s a Biblical term that simple means, “the one who opens the womb of the mother.”

Exodus 13:1-2
The Lord said to Moses, “Consecrate to me all the firstborn; whatever is the first to open the womb among the people of Israel, both of man and beast, is mine.”

Secondly – the word “until” in Biblical language does NOT necessarily mean that something comes after.
2 Samuel 6:23 tells us: Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child UNTIL the day of her death.
Are we to assume that Michal had children after she died?

Moses was buried by God in the valley of Moab after his death. Deut. 34:6 explicitly states: And he buried him in the valley of the land of Moab over against Phogor: and no man hath known of his sepulchre UNTIL this present day.
Sooooo – did they find his grave after this??

Let’s also examine Acts 2:34-35 (also see Psalm 110:1, Matt 22:44): For David did not go up into heaven, but he himself said: 'The Lord said to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand UNTIL I make your enemies your footstool."'
Are we to surmise that Jesus will cease to sit at the right hand of the Father after his enemies are made his footstool? The problem here is that the anti-Catholic attempts to apply 21st century English to Hebrew and Greek from a culture thousands of years ago.

Finally – it would take another post and another thread to present ALL of the implicit evidence of Mary’s sinlessness. I already educated you on the following – and you could NOT rebut it:

Among other verses, Luke 1:28 gives us a glimpse of Mary’s sinlessness:
The Greek word is “Kecharitomene” that Luke used in his Gospel (v.1:28), which is the perfect passive participle, indicates a “completed action with a permanent result”. It translates, “completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace.” Mary is the ONLY person in ALL of Scripture who is called “Kecharitomene.”

The Angel didn’t say, “Hail Mary, full of grace.”
He said, “Hail, Kecharitomene” . . .

 

[Dan Clarkston]

You don't even have the integrity to answer me directly

If you are able to understand english, you'd already have the answer to your question

It is integrity on my part to let you know your question has already been answered.

Maybe work on your reading and comprehension skills.... take a class at the local junior college or something.

You just ignore the written words of God

Huh? You believe the WRITTEN Word of God?

Did you see any mention of this in my previous posts that you missed and had to keep asking questions?

I never made the claim my name was in there

If it's not then you won't be spending eternity with the Lord.

as long as the sole rule of faith declared itself as such.

Now we're getting down to it.... you think God's written Word is not the source of Truth

You apparently believe we must go to other sources to get Truth other than God's Word.... and that's the deception satan loves to get people caught up in as it keep the door open for him to feed these people deception

They'll think it's Truth from the Lord when in reality it's lies from the devil because it is in opposition to what the Lord has already said in His Word.

 

[nedsk]

If you are able to understand english, you'd already have the answer to your question

It is integrity on my part to let you know your question has already been answered.

Maybe work on your reading and comprehension skills.... take a class at the local junior college or something. View attachment 70077




Huh? You believe the WRITTEN Word of God?

Did you see any mention of this in my previous posts that you missed and had to keep asking questions?




If it's not then you won't be spending eternity with the Lord.





Now we're getting down to it.... you think God's written Word is not the source of Truth

You apparently believe we must go to other sources to get Truth other than God's Word.... and that's the deception satan loves to get people caught up in as it keep the door open for him to feed these people deception

They'll think it's Truth from the Lord when in reality it's lies from the devil because it is in opposition to what the Lord has already said in His Word.

Oh course his word is the source of truth. But his word doesn't say it's the only source of truth and you won't and can't show where the word of God says it is. All the rest of your bluster there is superfluous noise.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Oh course his word is the source of truth. But his word doesn't say it's the only source of truth and you won't and can't show where the word of God says it is. All the rest of your bluster there is superfluous noise.

God's Word actually does say the scripture is THE Source of Truth

2 Timothy 3:16,17
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Godly doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness can ONLY be found in God's written Word.
The Lord clearly indicates that only scripture is given by inspiration of God.

If the Lord wanted us to look to false sources of so called "truth" he would have said tune in to the pope, or the calvinists, or whatever cult you belong to. Instead the Lord warns in His Word not to follow false doctrine

The old devil enjoys hearing that people think there is Truth to be found outside of God's Word because it keep the door open for him to deliver deception to people which is how catholics and reformed theology came to be.... it is inspired by satan.