Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?

[Behold]

The second coming was a rapture. Is John still on earth? I am serious.

If you were serious, you'd know that AD 70, that is the Preterism 2nd ADvent.......was never mentioned by John.
John didnt teach that "Jesus came in 70 AD".

This is a false teaching that came from heretics, by twisting scriptures.

See, If John knew that Jesus came back to Earth #2, he would have written about it........about meeting HIM again.

He never did, and He lived 30 yrs after AD 70.

 

[MonoBiblical]

If you were serious, you'd know that AD 70, that is the Preterism 2nd ADvent.......was never mentioned by John.
John didnt teach that "Jesus came in 70 AD".

This is a false teaching that came from heretics, by twisting scriptures.

[Rev 3:11 KJV] 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
[Rev 22:7, 12, 20 KJV] 7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed [is] he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. ... 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. ... 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Say again. Is he riding his giant turtle to get here?

 

[Behold]

[Rev 3:11 KJV] 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

That has nothing to do with AD70

[Rev 22:7, 12, 20 KJV] 7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed [is] he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. ...

Has nothing to do with AD70

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. ... 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Has nothing to do with AD70

Say again. Is he riding his giant turtle to get here?

Has nothing to do with AD 70.

As "quickly" would have been 2 months after He went back to Heaven.......or something similar.

"No no, it has to be 70AD, because that is what the fanatic Preterist Heretics teach, so, it must be true".

A.) Its not

 

[HealthyShape]

He never did, and He lived 30 yrs after AD 70.

How do you know? You are stating this like some kind of a certain fact, while it is only a tradition originated from a short note written by Irenaeus in 190 AD.

 

[Behold]

How do you know? You are stating this like some kind of a certain fact, while it is only a tradition originated from a short note written by Irenaeus in 190 AD.

When did AD 70 Happen?

Did it happen in AD 70?

Does Preterism teach that the 2nd Advent occurred at AD70?

So, JOHN, lived 30 more Years....after AD 70.....and JOHN never wrote a letter, or a sentence, that said....>"Jesus came back"....I saw Him"...

Understand?

So, never mind the Preterist nutbars, like Irenaesus..............go back to JOHN......who was THERE.......and notice that 30 yrs after AD70, John never said a world about Christ coming Back, already.
Do you think He would not have told the WORLD.........?

Jesus came back again......>I saw Him today....again. !!

You have to think.

 

[HealthyShape]

When did AD 70 Happen?

Did it happen in AD 70?

Does Preterism teach that the 2nd Advent occurred at AD70?

So, JOHN, lived 30 more Years....after AD 70.....and JOHN never wrote a letter, or a sentence, that said....>"Jesus came back"....I saw Him"...

Understand?

So, never mind the Preterist nutbars, like Irenaesus..............go back to JOHN......who was THERE.......and notice that 30 yrs after AD70, John never said a world about Christ coming Back, already.
Do you think He would not have told the WORLD.........?

Jesus came back again......>I saw Him today....again. !!

You have to think.

It seems you have to read more carefully.

I said - how do you know that John lived 30 more years? You are stating this like some kind of a certain fact, while it is only a tradition originated from a short note written by Irenaeus in 190 AD.

 

[Scott Downey]

lol

Your answer back is very childishly immature.
You are not a serious student of scripture, you believe emotionally, not in truth.

 

[Scott Downey]

@David in NJ, tell me, do you still believe in ungodly survivors living on this first earth after the return of Christ?

 

[Behold]

It seems you have to read more carefully.

I said - how do you know that John lived 30 more years?

Its because i teach Church History.

Why dont you stop posting and go and do a search for : When did John the apostle Die. ???

Is this too difficult for you, as isn't that the obvious thing?

OK i'll do it for you..

Its believed by "scholarship", and "church History" that John died sometime after : 98AD.

I said "30 Yrs", because its possible that is was more then 30 Yrs........so, what i posted correlates with Church Historical Scholarship.

So, John died 30yrs after AD 70.
This means that He woudl have know that Jesus came back for 3 DECADES.
Where is the letter?
Did Johh forget to tell the Church?.....and if he had, then the Church would have been talking about JOHN's letters, for the next 2000 yrs.

John said NOTHING about Christ's 2nd Advent happening in 70AD, because this is a Preterism ILLUSION.......Its a cult theology... A LIE.

 

[HealthyShape]

Its because i teach Church History.

Why dont you stop posting and go and do a search for : When did John the apostle Die. ???

Is this too difficult for you, as isn't that the obvious thing?

OK i'll do it for you..

Its believed by "scholarship", and "church History" that John died sometime after : 98AD.

I said "30 Yrs", because its possible that is was more then 30 Yrs........so, what i posted correlates with Church Historical Scholarship.

So, John died 30yrs after AD 70.
This means that He woudl have know that Jesus came back for 3 DECADES.
Where is the letter?
Did Johh forget to tell the Church?.....and if he had, then the Church would have been talking about JOHN's letters, for the next 2000 yrs.

John said NOTHING about Christ's 2nd Advent happening in 70AD, because this is a Preterism ILLUSION.......Its a cult theology... A LIE.

Oh, it is "believed". Cool.

You should base your arguments on something verifiable, not on beliefs. You teach church history and I still had to correct you that it is just a tradition, not a fact? Come on, teach better.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

"Without wisdom, without discernment" are just vague, lazy arguments that can be used by all sides about anything they do not agree with.

The New Testament church believed and taught that they are in the last times and that the Lord will return in their generation. It is even accepted in the standard, mainstream scholarship.

"You need a discernment to read something else than what is written and what they clearly believed it to mean" is rather a coping mechanism for the issue that somebody's views do not fit the belief of the apostolic church.

Jesus did not come in 70 AD. When He comes at the last trumpet, the dead in Christ will be resurrected, all of His people will be changed to put on bodily immortality and all His people will be gathered to Him in the air (1 Cor 15:22-23;50-54, 1 Thess 4:14-17, Matt 24:30-31/Mark 13:26-27) and He will destroy all of His enemies on the earth by fire (2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-12). That has not yet happened and you have no way around that.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Thanks for the compliments

LOL. This thread is about giving reasons why full preterism is not true, but leave it to you to try to change the subject. Grow up.

 

[MonoBiblical]

That has nothing to do with AD70



Has nothing to do with AD70



Has nothing to do with AD70



Has nothing to do with AD 70.

ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT. DO YOU CARE TO... PROVE IT?

As "quickly" would have been 2 months after He went back to Heaven.......or something similar.

"No no, it has to be 70AD, because that is what the fanatic Preterist Heretics teach, so, it must be true".

A.) Its not

Why should I wait for him to return?

 

[MonoBiblical]

As "quickly" would have been 2 months after He went back to Heaven.......or something similar.

He didn't ascend into the Kingdom of God?

 

[MonoBiblical]

How do you know? You are stating this like some kind of a certain fact, while it is only a tradition originated from a short note written by Irenaeus in 190 AD.

Polycarp lied about John the apostle completely.

 

[MonoBiblical]

So, JOHN, lived 30 more Years....after AD 70.....and JOHN never wrote a letter, or a sentence, that said....>"Jesus came back"....I saw Him"...

Polycarp lied.

 

[Davy]

here’s a comparison chart of the main interpretations of Daniel’s 70 weeks prophecy (Daniel 9:24–27):

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Interpretations of the 70 Weeks​

Aspect	Historic / Messianic View	Futurist / Dispensational View	Preterist View
70 “weeks” meaning	490 years total (7 × 70)	490 years total, but with a long gap before the last week	490 years total, symbolic but fulfilled in the first century
Starting point	Decree to rebuild Jerusalem (often 457 BC under Artaxerxes)	Same (usually 457 or 444 BC, Artaxerxes)	Same (457 BC or another decree)
69 weeks (483 years)	Brings us to the coming of Jesus the Messiah	Brings us to Jesus’ triumphal entry or baptism	Brings us to Jesus’ ministry
The “Anointed One cut off”	Refers to Jesus’ crucifixion	Refers to Jesus’ crucifixion (after 69 weeks, before gap)	Refers to Jesus’ crucifixion
The 70th week	Fulfilled by Christ’s ministry (3½ years) and the gospel’s spread to Israel (another 3½ years)	Still future: a 7-year tribulation period	Fulfilled in the years 30–70 AD
“He shall confirm a covenant”	Jesus confirming the New Covenant by His death	The Antichrist making a peace covenant with Israel	Jesus confirming the New Covenant
“In the middle of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice”	Jesus’ death ended the sacrificial system	Antichrist breaks covenant after 3½ years, stops sacrifices in rebuilt temple	Jesus’ death ended sacrifices; final destruction in 70 AD
“The people of the prince to come” destroy the city & sanctuary	Romans destroyed Jerusalem and Temple in 70 AD	Romans destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD, but “the prince to come” (Antichrist) is still future	Romans destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD
Fulfillment timing	Completed in the first century with Jesus and early church	Mostly fulfilled, but last week postponed to the future	Entirely fulfilled by 70 AD
Main theme	Christ’s atonement & gospel mission	End-time tribulation & Antichrist before Christ’s return	Christ’s work & judgment on unbelieving Israel

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Summary​

• Historic/Messianic: 70 weeks = fulfilled in Jesus’ ministry and the early church.
• Futurist/Dispensational: 69 weeks fulfilled up to Jesus, then a “gap,” final 70th week = future 7-year tribulation.
• Preterist: All 70 weeks fulfilled by the time of Jerusalem’s destruction in AD 70.

The view you left out, which is the one that counts, is The BIBLICAL VIEW AS WRITTEN. Those views you posted above are all FROM MENS'S DOCTRINES.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

[Rev 3:11 KJV] 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
[Rev 22:7, 12, 20 KJV] 7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed [is] he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. ... 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. ... 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Say again. Is he riding his giant turtle to get here?

Him coming quickly refers to the fact that once He does come, He will come quickly and not mess around. He will come as quickly as the lightning flashes from the east to the west (Matthew 24:27). The word translated as "quickly" in those verses means immediately or very quickly. It has nothing to do with Him coming soon after the book was written as preterists falsely believe. He obviously did not come immediately or very quickly after it was written, even if it was written in 65 AD or whenever you think it was written.

 

[pandaflower]

If FP were true it means the second coming of Christ has already occurred.

What's that mean for every actual born again irrevocably Saved Holy Spirit filled Christian here?

Exactly!

 

[David in NJ]

Your answer back is very childishly immature.
You are not a serious student of scripture, you believe emotionally, not in truth.

LOL x100