Only Those Who Do the Will of God Will Enter the Kingdom

[Behold]

speaking and doing obediently that pleases God, and leads to eternal life,

Faith in Jesus leads to eternal Life......not "speaking and being obedient".

The "obedient" part, is the Discipleship, that happens AFTER you are become a Christian.

However with some who are not going to heaven........they are become a disciple of Christ and were never yet born again.

 

[GracePeace]

Faith in Jesus leads to eternal Life......not "speaking and being obedient".

John 5:28...those who have DONE good to the resurrection of life, and those who have DONE evil to the resurrection of judgment.
John 8:29And he who sent me is with me. He has not left me alone, for I always DO THE THINGS that are pleasing to him.
John 12:50 And I know that HIS COMMANDMENT IS ETERNAL LIFE. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has told me.
John 14:21Whoever has my COMMANDMENTS and KEEPS them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.
John 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

 

[mailmandan]

It is not "proper" to conclude what Jesus is teaching in Matthew 7 by jumping over to John 6.

Are you saying that Matthew 7:21 and John 6:40 are not in harmony?

You're agreeing with me that good works are necessary for justification on that day, you're just saying "good deeds automatically happen if you really believe", correct?

Man is justified (accounted as righteous) by faith and not by works (Romans 4:2-6) and we are justified (shown to be righteous) by works. (James 2:14-24) Faith is the root of salvation and works are the fruit. No fruit at all would demonstrate there is no root. All genuine believers are fruitful but not all are equally fruitful. (Matthew 13:23)

 

[GracePeace]

Are you saying that Matthew 7:21 and John 6:40 are not in harmony?

I clearly said that interpreting Matthew 7 is to be done by interpreting it in its context--and I demonstrated the irresponsibility of citing a single verse from John by showing John has many verses that contradict your abusage of a single sliver of his writing.

Man is justified (accounted as righteous) by faith and not by works (Romans 4:2-6) and we are justified (shown to be righteous) by works. (James 2:14-24) Faith is the root of salvation and works are the fruit. No fruit at all would demonstrate there is no root. All genuine believers are fruitful but not all are equally fruitful. (Matthew 13:23)

You agree that Jesus says "Get away from Me, you workers of lawlessness" right?
If it is "workers of lawlessness" who are rejected on that Day, who is accepted but "workers of law", those who do not merely say "Lord, Lord", but who also live up to the teachings of righteousness He had been teaching, who build their houses on the Rock, not on sand?

 

[Behold]

John 5:28...those who have DONE good to the resurrection of life, and those who have DONE evil to the resurrection of judgment.

Your verse is talking to Jews who are not Christians.......as Jesus had not died on The Cross in your verse.

So, the only way to "Do good", so that God will accept you, is to "obey the Gospel"...which is to Believe it.

Let me explain Salvation to you.. as God provided it.

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There exists in Heaven, Eternal Holy God, who is Righteousness.
And there is Heaven, where there is only Righteousness, found.

So, the eternal issue is.....how can a sinner, who is unrighteous, become "one with God" and go to heaven?

A.) So, God became a man, and died on The Cross so that by His blood and death Sacrifice, that is the NEW Covenant... God could deal with all our sin, and then give us His very own Righteousness.

And now being "made righteous", by the "imputed righteousness of Christ"... that is """ the GIFT of Righteousness"" we are become born again, = joined to God, spiritually.

See that? That is Salvation and its eternal.
That is Eternal Life. That is what it means to be "IN Christ"..

Now......notice this verse carefully...

"""""""Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for Righteousness."""""

Notice that God counted or imputed = RIGHTEOUSNESS to Abraham, soley and only based on Abrahams faith.

And God does the same for us.., as our "Faith is counted by God as (Christ's) Righteousness".

The means that the Believer has received RIGHTEOUSNESS from God, as a GIFT......>"The Gift of Righteousness".

John 8:29And he who sent me is with me. He has not left me alone, for I always DO THE THINGS that are pleasing to him.

Your verse, is Jesus talking about Himself., and He was sinless.
You are not Him, as you have sinned. @GracePeace
Choose your verses more carefully.

John 12:50 And I know that HIS COMMANDMENT IS ETERNAL LIFE. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has told me.

Yes, "His commandment" is eternal life if you do it........as this is God's Will.

God's Will is that "everyone believe in Jesus".

John 14:21Whoever has my COMMANDMENTS and KEEPS them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.

Your verse does not say that keeping commandments, is Salvation.

John 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

Yes, Jesus IS Eternal Life., and Jesus said that if you Believe in Him......He will "give you eternal Life".

A.) Jesus is Salvation

 

[GracePeace]

Your verse is talking to Jews who are not Christians.......as Jesus had not died on The Cross in your verse.

So, Jesus teaches about a future event that will never occur?
In your book, Jesus erred? Not possible.
In fact, Jesus teaches the same thing after the Cross.

Revelation 22
12“Behold, I am coming soon, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done.

Paul, wonder of all wonders, teaches the same (and it's after the resurrection) :

Romans 2
6who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: 7to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation. 9There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, 10but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

So, both teach eternal life is rendered to DOERS OF GOOD.
You reject that--that's your problem, not mine.

So, the only way to "Do good", so that God will accept you, is to "obey the Gospel"...which is to Believe it.

So, you agree with me that only the doers of good will be resurrected to life (the thing you just argued against)?

Your verse, is Jesus talking about Himself., and He was sinless.
You are not Him, as you have sinned. @GracePeace
Choose your verses more carefully.

John 20
"As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.”

So, the words selected by the Spirit are not accidental : John 8:29 says "he who sent me is with me because I always do the things that please Him" because it now applies to us who are sent just as He was sent (ie, He is with us if we do what is pleasing to Him), as I proved when He says "he who keeps My commands loves me, and ... I will reveal Myself to him", He will be with them, because they are pleasing Him by keeping His commands which are eternal life which is to know God through Christ revealing Himself to you because you love Him and keep His commands.

Yes, "His commandment" is eternal life if you do it........as this is God's Will.

God's Will is that "everyone believe in Jesus".

John 15
12“This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you.

This is just as John teaches :

1 John 3
23And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.

So, the commandment is singular : believe AND love one another. You cannot separate the two, as you wish to do.
Now, Paul says "faith works by love", hence "each man must be fully convinced in his own mind" to remain in God's justifying righteousness, which is "from faith to faith" (Ro 1:17), and the one who does not is not justified, but is "condemned" (Ro 14:23), proving he is not abiding in Christ in Whom there is "no condemnation" (Ro 8:1), as John also teaches.

John 15
4“Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. 5“I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. 6“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. 7“If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8“My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples. 9“Just as the Father has loved Me, I have also loved you; abide in My love. 10“If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

1 John 3
24Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.

Your verse does not say that keeping commandments, is Salvation.

You actually believe you can be "saved", yet resurrected to condemnation instead of life (taught by both post-resurrection Jesus in Revelation 22 and post-resurrection Paul in Romans 2)?

Yes, Jesus IS Eternal Life., and Jesus said that if you Believe in Him......He will "give you eternal Life".

A.) Jesus is Salvation

I have equally asserted, and provided Scriptures, that Jesus said obeying His commands is eternal life.

John 5:28...those who have DONE good to the resurrection of life, and those who have DONE evil to the resurrection of judgment.
John 8:29And he who sent me is with me. He has not left me alone, for I always DO THE THINGS that are pleasing to him.
John 12:50 And I know that HIS COMMANDMENT IS ETERNAL LIFE. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has told me.
John 14:21Whoever has my COMMANDMENTS and KEEPS them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.
John 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

 

[GracePeace]

Man is justified (accounted as righteous) by faith and not by works (Romans 4:2-6) and we are justified (shown to be righteous) by works. (James 2:14-24)

It sounds like you agree with me--that there is an ongoing assessment/judgment (otherwise, there couldn't be ongoing justifications) that will culminate on the final Day of Judgment.

 

[mailmandan]

I clearly said that interpreting Matthew 7 is to be done by interpreting it in its context--and I demonstrated the irresponsibility of citing a single verse from John by showing John has many verses that contradict your abusage of a single sliver of his writing.

I actually did also interpret Matthew 7 in context (Matthew 7:15-23) and Matthew 7:21 is in perfect harmony with John 6:40. I neither abused scripture nor did anything irresponsible.

You agree that Jesus says "Get away from Me, you workers of lawlessness" right?
If it is "workers of lawlessness" who are rejected on that Day, who is accepted but "workers of law", those who do not merely say "Lord, Lord", but who also live up to the teachings of righteousness He had been teaching, who build their houses on the Rock, not on sand?

Jesus never knew these workers of lawlessness which means they were never saved. (vs. 23) These many people in Matthew 7:22 had the wrong foundation. They were trusting in their works to save them and not in Jesus Christ alone. Their hearts were not right with God, so their "attempted external obedience" (apart from the righteousness of God which is by faith and the blood of Christ - Romans 3:24-28; Philippians 3:9) was still stained with sin. Hence, workers of lawlessness. Those who are born of God practice righteousness and not lawlessness. (1 John 3:9-10)

In Matthew 7:24-27, we find two different foundations with two different results, and not salvation by works, as some would suppose. Each house has a different material upon which its foundation is laid, and each house has a different final outcome. One house is built by a wise man upon a rock and it stands. The other is built by a foolish man upon the sand and it collapses. The rock the wise man builds upon is true righteousness found in Jesus Christ alone. The sand the foolish man builds upon is self-righteousness.

 

[GracePeace]

I actually did also interpret Matthew 7 in context (Matthew 7:15-23) and Matthew 7:21 is in perfect harmony with John 6:40. I neither abused scripture nor did anything irresponsible.

Jesus never knew these workers of lawlessness which means they were never saved. (vs. 23) These many people in Matthew 7:22 had the wrong foundation. They were trusting in their works to save them and not in Jesus Christ alone. Their hearts were not right with God, so their "attempted external obedience" (apart from the righteousness of God which is by faith and the blood of Christ - Romans 3:24-28; Philippians 3:9) was still stained with sin. Hence, workers of lawlessness. Those who are born of God practice righteousness and not lawlessness. (1 John 3:9-10)

In Matthew 7:24-27, we find two different foundations with two different results, and not salvation by works, as some would suppose. Each house has a different material upon which its foundation is laid, and each house has a different final outcome. One house is built by a wise man upon a rock and it stands. The other is built by a foolish man upon the sand and it collapses. The rock the wise man builds upon is true righteousness found in Jesus Christ alone. The sand the foolish man builds upon is self-righteousness.

Where does it say they were trusting in their works? It says they were "lawless", saying, "Lord, Lord", but not DOING what was righteous (since they are lawless)--and who does Christ accept, when He returns, on that Day of Judgment, except the "lawful", who DO THE GOOD THINGS HE HAS BEEN TEACHING FROM GOD THE FATHER, then?

 

[amigo de christo]

Consider that the Jesus Commandment that says to "Love God with all your Heart".......was given to people who are not Christians.
Jesus told Religious people to "Love God with all your Heart, soul, mind, body".


When a sinner comes to Christ.....they are coming to Christ because they are enlightened by the Holy Spirit to understand that they need to be forgiven.

In James, He talks to "dead faith" Christians, who dont love God, as if they did, they would not have a cold dead faith.

In John's Revelation.....Jesus talks to believers and said He wishes they were COLD or HOT........toward their faith.......vs being stagnant or "Lukewarm".

There are a lot of people in this world who Love God., but this is not why God accepts them.

God accepts us, becasue we did what God told us to do...........We TRUSTED in Christ.............."we OBEYED the Gospel".

The MaryCult, probably has more God loving people in it, who are going to hell, vs any other denomination.
These people are "raised Catholic"...and they have Mary and God and Jesus, given to them all the time, but not according to right Faith.

Jesus said to go to Heaven, you have to be "BORN AGAIN".....and that is not about Loving GOD......that is about being Forgiven all your sin.

Well you started out the gate strong .
But again you are incorrect .
The part where you implied there are many people in this world who LOVE GOD . NO they dont .
as far as to why GOD accept us , YOU are correct about my friend .
BUT wrong about the fact that these people LOVE GOD .
THERE are not many people in the mary cult that love GOD . FOR had they loved GOD
why would they have loved and sat under that . THEY WOULD NOT .
and i have seen catholics WHO DID get awakened by GOD
but guess what , IN TIME THEY THEN COME OUT OF THAT HO .
for they now HAVE THE LOVE OF GOD upon them .
And as far as these people having mary , having GOD and JESUS , given to them all the time
YOUR RIGHT , ITS THE WRONG VERISON OF said mary , of said GOD and of said JESUS .
YET THEY LOVE IT . why , cause the LOVE OF GOD IS NOT IN THEM .
they are just like i once was , lip not heart . bad place to be my f riend.
THE only difference between the old me and much of the protestant realm and the RCC
IS i was not religiously indoctrinated into my other jesus , THEY WERE . WE BOTH FOLLOW THE WRONG GOD and WRONG CHRIST .
BUT praise GOD for his mercy my friend . HE PULLED ME OUT of that mess . any guesses on what
BOOK he put me into .
a hint
THE SAME ONE I BEEN PLEADING , BEGGING folks to get into . YEAH the BIBLE . one sure can learn much
F ROM GOD my friend . OH YEAH its b ible time in the house all right . BIBLE TIME IN THE HOUSE .
TIME we learn for ourselves what the hirelings no longer teach . THE TRUTH

 

[GracePeace]

Jesus never knew these workers of lawlessness which means they were never saved.

Oops, God can forget righteousness (Ez 18:24), so He can validly say "I never knew you" to people who don't ENDURE (Hebrews 3, 10) in the faith, because "faith is completed by works" (Ja 2), yet their lawless works did not accord with faith, thus, having not tested themselves to see if they were still in the faith, they fall away from that faith they professed (saying, "Lord, Lord" to Him, not knowing they are no longer in the faith), thus, as He says, "Whoever denies Me before men I will deny before My Father", and "in their works they deny Him"--and "faith is counted as righteousness", but He forgets their "faith counted as righteousness", thus, "I never knew you".

 

[GracePeace]

Oops, God can forget righteousness (Ez 18:24), so He can validly say "I never knew you" to people who don't ENDURE (Hebrews 3, 10) in the faith, because "faith is completed by works" (Ja 2), yet their lawless works did not accord with faith, thus, having not tested themselves to see if they were still in the faith, they fall away from that faith they professed (saying, "Lord, Lord" to Him, not knowing they are no longer in the faith), thus, as He says, "Whoever denies Me before men I will deny before My Father", and "in their works they deny Him"--and "faith is counted as righteousness", but He forgets their "faith counted as righteousness", thus, "I never knew you".

Same as happens in Matthew 18 with the parable of the unforgiving steward--he did not love as he was loved, did not forgive as he was forgiven, thus, his faith counted as righteousness, not being completed by works, goes away and his debt (which had been forgiven as a consequence of his faith Ro 4:6-8) returns, that is God forgot his "faith counted as righteousness", whereby he had been forgiven, and he is treated as an unbeliever, since he did not express the faith in his actions, but expressed a rejection of the truth of his having been forgiven.

 

[mailmandan]

It sounds like you agree with me--that there is an ongoing assessment/judgment (otherwise, there couldn't be ongoing justifications) that will culminate on the final Day of Judgment.

Justification is a one time event. (Romans 5:1) Progressive sanctification is ongoing.

 

[GracePeace]

Justification is a one time event. (Romans 5:1) Progressive sanctification is ongoing.

1. Yet you already conceded that Abraham was justified AFTER he believed because of his works that completed his faith, which happened later on after he believed. How was he "justified" AFTER he believed if justification is a one-time event, and there is no ongoing assessment/judgment?
2. Is there a future Day of Judgment? Will men be justified for doing good or condemned for doing evil on that Day (Jn 5; Ro 2:6-16; Rv 22:12)--will Jesus condemn the "lawless" as Mt 7 says?

 

[amigo de christo]

Justification is a one time event. (Romans 5:1) Progressive sanctification is ongoing.

My advice is
PREACH THE NAME OF THE ONLY ONE whereby one is and can be justified BY FAITH IN HIM .
ANY GUESSES ON WHO THAT IS . a hint , JESUS THE CHRIST .
as i am sure you have zero problem with agreeing with that .
But always remember and be not like i once was
WE CANT SIT at the table of compromise
we cannot preach two gospels
we cannot preach another jesus that accepts sins and FALSE RELIGOINS as okay .
THAT JESUS DONT EXIST , wait i spoke too quickly .
that other jesus does exist , ONLY ITS THE DEVIL IN WOOL . AND friend HE AINT SAVING ANYONE .
HE is the one folks must be FREED FROM . again BY FAITH IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
THE ECUMINCAL MOVEMENT IS OF SATAN . that i can promise you . and believe me
we dont sit at the table of satan and even dare try and blend the table of CHRIST with that mess .

 

[amigo de christo]

Justification is a one time event. (Romans 5:1) Progressive sanctification is ongoing.

Be bold mailman dan . Be bold IN CHRIST JESUS .
the time to expose any and all things contrary TO GOD and to HIS CHRIST is RIGHT NOW .
BE BOLD my friend . pray for u tterance .
GOD will hear any prayer according to his will . and believe you me , GOD DONT WANT US AT THE TABLE
of co exist ecumincal interreglious anti christ dialgoue .
HE actually wants us to expose IT
and to preach THE REAL JESUS and HIS TRUE GOSPEL . i will pray for you my friend , you pray for me .
AND LET OUR PRAYER BE
OH LORD GOD ALL MIGHTY Give us the words and actions by which we shall honor you
and expose all that is contrary to YOU . to help all that we can and to pull all that we can
from this dissumalation of what many now see as love and believe to be of GOD .
CAUSE IT DARN SURE AINT LOVE FROM GOD or OF GOD .
Regulators MOUNT UP .
AS ye have been freely given , T IS TIME to freely give that same grace to others . POINT TO CHRIST
and make NO DEAL with the HARLOT . expose the HO , just say NO .

 

[amigo de christo]

1. Yet you already conceded that Abraham was justified AFTER he believed because of his works that completed his faith, which happened later on after he believed. How was he "justified" AFTER he believed if justification is a one-time event, and there is no ongoing assessment/judgment?
2. Is there a future Day of Judgment? Will men be justified for doing good or condemned for doing evil on that Day (Jn 5; Ro 2:6-16; Rv 22:12)--will Jesus condemn the "lawless" as Mt 7 says?

Always remember
we dont make deals with THE HO .
expose the HO , to her say NO .
By now i am sure some of you all realize what i am .
A man , who by the grace of GOD , dont make deals with THE HO
nor compromises the words of the LORD .
A man who knows he does not know all
BUT has HE WHO DOES KNOW ALL .
MY GOD s hall keep me safe as he does all his sheep .
And the voice of the harlot and that which is of anti christ , THE SHEEP and this sheep DONT HEED .
I expose it and all who are sold out to its lies . OF WHICH ARE MANY and the many i speak of
wear wool my friend .
SO i say this with upmost urgency
I DONT MAKE DEALS WITH A WHORE .
And no matter what she offers
no matter if she begs and pleads for me to compromise
I TELL THAT WHORE , NO DEAL WHORE . I HEED JESUS . HE SAVED ME . be gone WHORE
its JESUS SERVING TIME . It be BIBLE TIME IN THE HOUSE . hope that encouraged you

 

[GracePeace]

Always remember
we dont make deals with THE HO .
expose the HO , to her say NO .
By now i am sure some of you all realize what i am .
A man , who by the grace of GOD , dont make deals with THE HO

These are terms I didn't think I'd see on a Bible discussion forum.

 

[mailmandan]

Where does it say they were trusting in their works? It says they were "lawless", saying, "Lord, Lord", but not DOING what was righteous (since they are lawless)--and who does Christ accept, when He returns, on that Day of Judgment, except the "lawful", who DO THE GOOD THINGS HE HAS BEEN TEACHING FROM GOD THE FATHER, then?

Matthew 7:22 - Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have "WE" not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS? Notice they said "WE" which demonstrates they were trusting in what THEY DID to receive eternal life and not in Jesus Christ alone.

*The correct answer for these many people would have been Lord, Lord, didn't "YOU" die for our sins, were buried and rise again the third day to provide for us eternal life? We believe in/have faith in/trust in YOU for salvation.

Since these many people did not believe in Jesus Christ unto salvation (John 3:15,16,18; 6:40:47 etc..) they were not saved and all of their sins remain. Hence, they were lawless as are all lost unbelievers in the eyes of God. A good tree bears good fruit but a bad tree bears bad fruit. (Matthew 7:17)

 

[amigo de christo]

Watch and behold . now what i say might anger some
but say it i will anyway that perhaps it might help them too .
IF i came unto a church that preached the prosperity gospel and allowed women preachers .
And i warned them to repent of it
and then they said , OKAY amigo let us meet halfway
we will cease our preaching of the gospel but our women preachers remain .
I would say NO DEAL .
we do not compromise ANY TRUTH .
we dont sit around and keep most of HIS sayinngs and pass over some .
WE KEEP ALL HIS SAYINGS .