We have BECOME new creatures, no? But I don't disagree that it means to fulfill as well as become. And now as scripture admonishes, we want to fulfill/manifest what we have become. Which is a new man made in the image of He who created him. Righteous and holy. The answer isn't a choice of does it mean a), b) or c}......the answer is it means all of the above. But this must be spiritually discerned......splitting hairs often results in missing the picture as a whole.
Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah
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soberxp
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But it seems to me, "made, to do, fulfill" whatever one to put in the text,
Didn't change the whole meaning.
It depends if you are reading the text with the intent to justify yourself. Either one can tilt toward appeasing the human ego (made), or make sure the text cannot be so twisted (fulfilled). In the case of the word "ginomai" one could choose either word in translation (made or fulfilled). What was the intent of the original author, Paul? Peter warns us that Paul's words are twisted and misused by many who are unlearned and unstable. I understand the bible at the depth of the Spirit....comparing like with like, spiritual with spiritual. Altering word meanings only messes up pretenders who read a verse as a zero sum game...ignoring the dozens of other verses that reveal a faulty translation. .....the biblical pattern remains intact for the honest and learned seeker.
The definition of a hypocrite might be someone who rebukes people for not doing what they themselves are not doing. Come on now.
soberxp
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1.Made: it depends on the grace of God
2.to do: it depends on our will
3.fulfill: it depends on our mission
So you think which one is the best.
Fulfill....because the SPIRIT of the text implies that God's will is being done...not that we can claim to be elevated because we put Jesus to death...as in YAY we killed Jesus so we can become great!
More gaslighting and contradicting yourself here. Just like you argued that God didn't make Jesus to be sin, but Jesus made Himself to be sin, and then afterward you argued that sinful men made Him to be sin. Come on now. Kind of a pattern with you.
Spoken as a true pretender. And a bald-faced liar. I don't rebuke people because they are not walking in the higher walk...that is your deafness and blindness at work. I know how impossible the higher walk is for we humans. I rebuke people because they CLAIM to be something they are not...they are pretenders...like yourself, naming and claiming things that only those who are actually in the higher walk can claim.
And since I actually know that walk, I can point out that it's not something that carnal men can claim. I appeal to wisdom and humility...but pride and ego twist my words around to make it seem I'm the one doing the pretending. Such is the way of hypocrites.
And why do so many pretend? Because the bible is being read with self-interest...an illegal act in God's eyes. But hypocrites don't know that...AND, they won't be warned.
So while I'm in the normal "lower" walk, I exhort my fellow believers AGAINST making false claims...and if someone has believed themselves to be something they are not...then to "self-deport" and make a true application for entrance "legally" into the kingdom realm...to walk as Jesus walked.
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soberxp
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It's not that we killed Jesus, it's God's will,
like when Sakyamuni wasn't on the cross, you compare Sakyamuni to Jesus, You'd rather believe in Jesus than Sakyamuni. Because God knows better and more appropriate ways to enlighten people's hearts and minds.
You may be right, but fullfill obscures the process of God's grace as a direct result.
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NSH
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In scripture, The world is like a net, taking in all kinds of fish (not the kingdom of God). It is those fish of sufficient quality for the masters purpose that are brought into the kingdom.
The kingdom of God is the reality of Christ in you, and that cannot be faked. It is the kingdom because it is supported by all the angels and their work revolves around securing the Kingdom. So it is not right to say the kingdom of God is like a net, when this world is said to be like the net in the scriptures.
What are we to gain by preaching anything other than salvation by the blood of Jesus? There is no problem in the gospel or in how people understand it. It works the way God designed it, and those he has saved, he has saved.
It does not get simpler than that.
Jesus's words previously spoken in the same book of John are:
No, God's will is done IN SPITE of what we do.
Did Joseph get thrown down a well by God? was God jealous of Joseph, or his brothers? Did God tell Joseph's brothers to throw him down a well. And yet God used their evil to save the people by bringing them to Egypt. I think you have to expand your understanding of God.
Say what? You are in China, and living in another culture. I don;t think your statements make sense in our culture. What is a Sakysmuni? I know what sushi is....but that's it.
47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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soberxp
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Don't you wonder how Jesus would be different from Sakyamuni if he didn't go to the cross?
In my opinion, the fact that Jesus was not crucified may have turned out to be the same as the result of Sakyamuni.
I only said that wicked men put Jesus on the cross. Come on now. Your dishonesty is well noted. Jesus allowed Himself to be crucified. He did not crucify Himself. And your claim that God is unrighteous is unfounded.
soberxp
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You may be right, but fullfill obscures God's grace and becomes a direct result.
And we don't seem to have a mission from God, like Jesus Christ, to need fullfill.
OK I looked it up and Shakyamuni is the Buddha. Are you a Buddhist?
The Buddha was just a man...a vessel like any mortal. Jesus is a Life giving Spirit...the Creator of all living beings. The Buddha has no life to give to others....he is simply judged by his own righteousness. But Jesus Christ justifies those who enter INTO Him to be empowered with His own resurrection life and holiness.
Maybe people try to emulate another man like the Buddha...and maybe some try to emulate Jesus in a human way. But the gospel is about being set free from sin to walk in intimacy with a holy God...as holy as God is holy? How? By entering INTO Jesus who is our wisdom, righteousness and holiness.
The mission is only those who are covered by God's righteousness, who fulfill His will...His eternal will. He gives grace to the humble. He elevates the broken and surrendered ones who then serve Him as His servants and brothers.
We have this treasure in earthen vessels. We are of this earth...but Jesus is from heaven. He sanctifies what is mortal with His eternal life.
soberxp
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I can ask you a simple question, you weren't born knowing Jesus Christ and God, right. So when you seek the truth, It's natural to read a book that tells the truth. It could be the Koran, it could be the Diamond Sutra, it could be the Bible, and so on. I happened to read these books in the search for the truth, but I chose the Bible because of God's will, I dare not say because of my own will, For the Bible says no one seeks him.
And I do see The light of God in a lot of books, and you might object, because everyone around you is doing it, so you do, And think this is correct.
OK. But we can seek truth in the bible apart from God. The bible is a book after all. Unless we connect to the LIVING GOD by seeking Him personally..and not just finding answers in a book...then we are still doing our own will. Of course we can try APPLYING the teachings of Jesus to our lives, which has merit as long as we are not justifying ourselves the way so many bible readers do.
I think righteousness is universal....even Buddhists understand that there is a God who needs to be connected to. I am not of those who think we have to take something away from the righteous in order to preach the gospel of a higher righteousness found only in Christ.
But the pretenders understanding of righteousness is that only they can be seen as righteous...because they have no understanding at all of any righteousness that is not self-generated.
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