The Antichrist ... or just another false prophet

[Douggg]

It is my view that the beasts are the four fallen winds of heaven

Jay, what bible passage are you reading "four fallen winds of heaven"

 

[Jay Ross]

No, the ten horns has nothing to do with worldly religions. The horn in Scripture signifying power. The kings symbolizing their reign (not men) which they will have near the end. Horns consistently symbolize power. And the word little means, well little. For example, a little season or one hour. That means their fullness of power will last for a little while. Since the spirit Satan is "given" power "AS" Kings (to reign) for a little when "he is loosed of God," he uses that time to gather the nations (not geopolitical nations, but unsaved - eg. Gentiles) against the Saints all over the world. This is near the end and supported by Revelation chapter 20.

Thank you for your thoughts.

However, I keep thinking the ten horn are directly associated with the fourth beast, which is slain, that the Little Horn also had influence over for a very long time.

Daniel 7:7-8: - 7 "After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. 8 I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.​

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Now it is my view that the ten horns of the fourth beast in Daniel 7:7-8 represents ten various religions.

The Little Horn was actively trampling God's Sanctury and His Earth Hosts from around 250 BC and will be still active in this role of trampling God Earthly host until the end of this present age.

Let us see what with transpire in the next 20 or so years.​

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, what bible passage are you reading "four fallen winds of heaven"

Certainly not the fanciful translation that you hold dear to your soul.

 

[ewq1938]

The Little Horn/False Prophet is also a fallen angel.

Scripture does not say that nor does it say mountains are religions.

 

[ewq1938]

No, the ten horns has nothing to do with worldly religions. The horn in Scripture signifying power. The kings symbolizing their reign (not men) which they will have near the end. Horns consistently symbolize power. And the word little means, well little. For example, a little season or one hour. That means their fullness of power will last for a little while. Since the spirit Satan is "given" power "AS" Kings (to reign) for a little when "he is loosed of God," he uses that time to gather the nations (not geopolitical nations, but unsaved - eg. Gentiles) against the Saints all over the world. This is near the end and supported by Revelation chapter 20.

You are conflating things. The ten kings rule one hour BEFORE THE MILL, while satan is released from his prison and leads a rebel army AFTER THE MILL.

 

[Jay Ross]

Scripture does not say that nor does it say mountains are religions.

But you cannot read poetry literally, you have got to consider it as a metaphorical description of what is really happening.

If the stone that comes down out of heaven untouched by human hands is the foundation stone for our relationship with God, both for the Israelites and the Gentiles, then if this stone then grows to become the biggest mountain on the earth, then is it an actual mountain or the basis of the religion that both the Israelites and the Gentiles become a part of, our common fertile field where God scatters His seeds upon for us to become emotionally and religiously bound in harmony with Him.

Daniel 2:35: - 35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold were crushed together, and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; the wind carried them away so that no trace of them was found. And the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.​

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The question that you have not considered is that a single mountain that expanded from the stone that came down from heaven is, "How does foundation stone that came down from Heaven become a mountain that can fill the whole world and still remain a great mountain.

I believe that this verse is speaking metaphorical and not literally about a religious understanding that places God/Jesus at the centre of the whole world. This mountain will tower over all of the other mountains/religions such that when the Four Faceted Beast is captured in Revelation 19 and dispatched into the Lake of Fire along with the eight horn, i.e. the other eight religions, that remain when this happens.

Let us be patient and see whether or not Satan, the four Beast, the Little Horn and the Kings of the earth will be judged in our near future and imprisoned for many days to await the time of their punishment.

 

[ewq1938]

But you cannot read poetry literally, you have got to consider it as a metaphorical description of what is really happening.

If the stone that comes down out of heaven untouched by human hands is the foundation stone for our relationship with God, both for the Israelites and the Gentiles, then if this stone then grows to become the biggest mountain on the earth, then is it an actual mountain or the basis of the religion that both the Israelites and the Gentiles become a part of, our common fertile field where God scatters His seeds upon for us to become emotionally and religiously bound in harmony with Him.

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Daniel 2:35: - 35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold were crushed together, and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; the wind carried them away so that no trace of them was found. And the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.​

NKJV​

The question that you have not considered is that a single mountain that expanded from the stone that came down from heaven is, "How does foundation stone that came down from Heaven become a mountain that can fill the whole world and still remain a great mountain.

I believe that this verse is speaking metaphorical and not literally about a religious understanding that places God/Jesus at the centre of the whole world. This mountain will tower over all of the other mountains/religions such that when the Four Faceted Beast is captured in Revelation 19 and dispatched into the Lake of Fire along with the eight horn, i.e. the other eight religions, that remain when this happens.

Let us be patient and see whether or not Satan, the four Beast, the Little Horn and the Kings of the earth will be judged in our near future and imprisoned for many days to await the time of their punishment.

Mountains in Rev are not religions. They are land according to the Greek language. Anything else is pure eisegesis. The fact that ten kingdoms exist within the 7 areas of land is further evidence.

 

[Jay Ross]

Mountains in Rev are not religions. They are land according to the Greek language. Anything else is pure eisegesis. The fact that ten kingdoms exist within the 7 areas of land is further evidence.

Whatever you want to believe. I just see things differently.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Thank you for your thoughts.

However, I keep thinking the ten horn are directly associated with the fourth beast

Yes, they are. But the question is, do you know what does the fourth beast represents?

, which is slain, that the Little Horn also had influence over for a very long time.

No, the little horn appears "AFTER" the beast comes out of the bottomless pit. Not a "a very long time".

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Daniel 7:7-8: - 7 "After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. 8 I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.​

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Now it is my view that the ten horns of the fourth beast in Daniel 7:7-8 represents ten various religions.​

This fourth beast represents a kingdom made up of false prophets and false christs within the New Testament congregation, who corrupt and destroy the true gospel. This is the seventh head of the beast in Revelation 17. Consider carefully:


Daniel 8:23–24
(23) And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
(24) And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.


The “transgressors” are the false prophets and false christs. The “king of fierce countenance” is the eighth king who is of the seven. His power will be great because the false prophets and false christs hand it over to him, giving him the kingdom (the church) through their lying signs and wonders.


Revelation 17:12–13
(12) And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
(13) These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.


Revelation 17:17–18
(17) For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
(18) And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.


The false prophets and christs deliver their kingdom—the visible church—to the beast. Though they do not realize it, their lying signs and wonders make them his representatives. God allowed it and used the beast as a judgment upon his unfaithful church.

This has nothing to do with 250BC or Antonius.

The Little Horn was actively trampling God's Sanctury and His Earth Hosts from around 250 BC and will be still active in this role of trampling God Earthly host until the end of this present age.​

No it has to do with the New Testament congregation after Satan is loosened from bottomless pit (after the building of the church is finished).

Let us see what with transpire in the next 20 or so years.​

You miss the signs.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The ten kings rule one hour BEFORE THE MILL

False. The millennial kingdom is the period when the church was being built through the testimony of the Two Witnesses. During that time, Satan was bound in the bottomless pit, along with his ten kings which explains why they did not have the kingdom yet! When the last of the Elect is secured, Satan will be released, and the ten kings will start attacking the Two rule the church.

There were no ten horns ruling during the testimony of the Two Witnesses. That comes afterward—when the transgressors, represented by the ten kings, enter into the church and corrupt the Gospel. This continues until the transgressors are come to the full. Being full means, that they have finally killed the Two Witnesses - the truthful gospel has been silenced. They have effectually taking over the kingdom and have Christ replaced with the image of the beast with their lying signs and wonders. This way, they have given the kingdom (church) to the beast for one hour.

, while satan is released from his prison and leads a rebel army AFTER THE MILL.

True. After the millennial kingdom of the Great Commission come to the end, then Satan will be loosened. Nothing to do with your so-called future 1,000 years kingdom as you think! :-)

 

[ewq1938]

False. The millennial kingdom is the period when the church was being built through the testimony of the Two Witnesses.

Not according to the bible. The 2W are active and die in the GT, long before the Mill even starts. Also, the church is NOT being built during the GT or the Mill. It was built LONG ago, before either time period.

 

[Davy]

Time will tell who is right and is starting to understand God's prophetic words.

Time is already past for those who 'already' know the seven mountains are about KINGDOMS. It's folks like you that are way... behind in understanding God's Word on that.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Not according to the bible.

Then show me the Scripture and explain it biblically if you have wisdom of Christ.

The 2W are active and die in the GT, long before the Mill even starts. Also, the church is NOT being built during the GT or the Mill. It was built LONG ago, before either time period.

I rebuke you because you come with false premillennial doctrine, claiming that the Church has nothing to do with the Great Tribulation, or that it is not being built during the millennial reign of Christ since the Cross. You are gravely mistaken, and your error is not with me but with God Himself.

Furthermore, you show that you do not even understand who the Two Witnesses truly are according to Scripture. Instead, you follow the vain traditions and wild speculations of your camp—imagining Moses, Elijah, or whoever suits your theory—rather than submitting to the plain testimony of God’s Word.

Your doctrine is not only false, but it blinds you to the reality of Christ’s present reign and the ongoing work of His Church. Repent of these errors before they consume you.

 

[Davy]

Yes. But do you understand what the horn signifies in Scripture? The kings? And crowns?


The one hour of the rule "FOR" the ten kings "is" the time of the wicked. It is the days of the wicked, or the days of their rule. It will be the time for the Gentiles (unsaved) to rule in God's congregation where the truth cannot be found:

Amos 8:11

• "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:"

Those days of a lack of hearing God's word are the days of the wicked, Selah. Nothing to do with European nations, ten men, or the kingdom of "beast-king." It is the hour of God's judgment upon His unfaithful church (AKA Babylon the Great) where the false prophets and christs rules.

You need to understand that it is all about strong delusion prophesied within the CHURCH. It manifests itself in many sinful man otherwise known as the man of siin that "rules" in the church as a slave or bondservant of Satan because he rules through those men! As opposed to the man of God who was commissioned to rule righteously by God's word. That's why he is called the man of sin or lawlessness. It is because he's taken over the role of leader of the church and he is ruled by the spirit of antichrist, the spirit that works in the children of disobedience.

Revelation 17:12

• "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast."

These kings did not rule the church because the Two Witnesses (Elect) rule the church preaching the Gospel truth. UNTIL all Elect are secured and Satan comes out of the bottomless bit, these ten kings then rule with Satan for a short season (Daniel7:8; Revelation 6:11; 17:10; 20:3) which is symbolically one hour. Those people who have NOT yet sealed by God after God finished sealed His people, will refuse to receive the love of truth and God is judging them for it!

It is for this very reason Satan is loosed from his prison after all Israel is saved!! Their delusion is spiritual insanity, the madness of fools who want to be called by Christ's name, and yet do their own will instead of God's. In which case, they will eat their own bread and wear their own apparel. No word nor robe of Christ, for they have a name they live but are dead!

Therefore, because of them, their church is already spiritually dead. And we, the Elect of God, as the eagles standing afar off, lift up our voices to prophesy judgment against her. For we “see” the abomination of desolation now standing with her midst! This is no small matter—it is the very sign that the judgment of the Lord has fallen upon His unfaithful house. For a little while, she shall be given over to desolation and shame, until the day when Christ Himself appears to render His final judgment. Let all who have ears to hear understand: God will not be mocked.

MORE JEHOVAH WITNESS B.S. ABOVE.

Christ's Church is NOT the Babylon Harlot.

The "strong delusion" Apostle Paul taught about is upon the DECEIVED who FALL AWAY to the coming false-Messiah which is specifically sent to the blinded unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem at the end. Christ's Church is NOT the main target, but unbelieving Jews of Israel are, as JERUSALEM is where that false-Messiah is going to be setup by the Jews as King in place of The Christ. The JEWS will believe he is Messiah that has finally come while they still... reject Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ. Then Jesus Christ will come afterwards to destroy that false-Messiah, and the blinded Jews will be in shame when they see the Real Messiah, Jesus Christ, coming in the clouds.

 

[Davy]

Not according to the bible. The 2W are active and die in the GT, long before the Mill even starts. Also, the church is NOT being built during the GT or the Mill. It was built LONG ago, before either time period.

Although I don't believe in the Pre-trib Rapture theory, the above statements are correct per God's Word. The faithful of Christ's Church are 'sealed' with God's Seal before the "great tribulation" starts. And those blinded to the Truth remain blinded throughout the GT until Jesus returns. Then when Jesus appears, He gathers His faithful Church and they reign with Him over the unsaved nations for His "thousand years" reign that begins immediately AFTER the GT.

 

[Douggg]

Certainly not the fanciful translation that you hold dear to your soul.

Jay, what bible passage (from the translation you use) are you reading "four fallen winds of heaven" ?

 

[TribulationSigns]

MORE JEHOVAH WITNESS B.S. ABOVE.

Watch your language. I am not Jehovah Witness. I do not support their doctrine. But I teach what Bible says. You are trying to compare this with Jehovah Witeness as an excuse not to hear the truth. Not my problem. That is between you and God.

Christ's Church is NOT the Babylon Harlot.

Yes, that is why it is a mystery to you just like the Jews of Old.

The "strong delusion" Apostle Paul taught about is upon the DECEIVED who FALL AWAY to the coming false-Messiah

False Messiah? Where do you find that in Scripture?

which is specifically sent to the blinded unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem at the end.

You got wrong Jews and wrong Jerusalem. In the New Testament, we are spiritual Jews, where we preach through the church which is spiritually Jerusalem.

Christ's Church is NOT the main target

LOL. Oh yeah. They are being attacked by the army of the false prophets and christs as we speak.

but unbelieving Jews of Israel are, as JERUSALEM is where that false-Messiah is going to be setup by the Jews as King in place of The Christ.

Forget Middle East headlines. Forget your obsession with a physical city called Jerusalem. Forget the fantasy of a seven-year peace treaty. Forget your Hollywood-style “third temple” script. Forget waiting for some supernatural spirit possessed villain to sit in a literal building facing Golden Gate in Jersualem—blah, blah, blah.

Newsflash: the New Testament temple after the Cross is not bricks and mortar, but the Church, which is the true dwelling place of God’s Spirit. That’s where the Kingdom of God is revealed. Hello? You need to stop spending too much time with Jerusalem Post or click-bait YouTube prophecy channel with false literal interpretation. This is straight from Scripture. Maybe try reading the Bible instead of chasing after the false prophets and world news headlines.

The JEWS will believe he is Messiah that has finally come while they still..

Wrong. Yes, blindness in part has come upon Israel, but don’t twist that into some fantasy about a national salvation event planned in the Middle East after the church is rapture out. This means that there are some Jews do believe in Jesus Christ through the Gospel testimony since the Cross - after the blindness has come to Israel when their kingdom representative was taken from them, Selah!

But this idea that the Jews will suddenly hail a False Messiah in a soon-to-be-built temple? Pure delusion. That’s not the Gospel, that’s end-times fan fiction. Christ already established His true temple in the Church. Waiting for some man to sit in a physical building in Jerusalem isn’t biblical truth—it’s wishful dreaming.

 

[Jay Ross]

es, they are. But the question is, do you know what does the fourth beast represents?

In Daniel 7:1-12 we are introduced to the four beasts that are judged in verses 11-12. At this time all of the four beasts, in our near future will be judged and we be imprisoned for many days to await the time of their punishment.

Then when the Bottomless pit is unlocked the four beasts begin to act in unison and form a four facetted beast.

You miss the signs.

If that is what you believe, then so be it, but from my perspective, I believe that I understand the timeline of the unfolding end times fairly well. But that is just my opinion which you have presented your evidence that for you disproves what I have posted.

 

[Davy]

Watch your language. I am not Jehovah Witness. I do not support their doctrine. But I teach what Bible says. You are trying to compare this with Jehovah Witeness as an excuse not to hear the truth. Not my problem. That is between you and God.

Even the JW has their versions of Preterism and Historicism which wrongly interpret The Bible. And one of their PET doctrines is a false preaching against the United States with trying to associate it as part of the Revelation 'beast'. So if the shoe fits, wear it.

Yes, that is why it is a mystery to you just like the Jews of Old.

There is no mystery about the Babylon Harlot of Revelation 17 for me, because I STAY in God's Word as written, and He made it easy! All one need do is read the very last verse of Revelation 17 to know what the Babylon Harlot represents. It represents the "great city" JERUSALEM at the time of the very END of this world when the 'beast' arrives to take it over.

So your doctrine of men that attempts... to apply the Babylon Harlot to Christ's Church, or to America, is just a HUGE JOKE! a design by the devil to DECEIVE.

False Messiah? Where do you find that in Scripture?

See brethren, he doesn't even know enough of God's written Word to understand the warnings by Lord Jesus and His Apostles about the coming false-Messiah to Jerusalem at the end of this world to play God. How can I even converse with someone who doesn't even read their Bible enough to know about that?

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, what bible passage (from the translation you use) are you reading "four fallen winds of heaven" ?

Dougggg your understanding of the scriptures is far from perfect judging from what you are continually posting.