Thats healing in his wings isnt it? Touch the hem of his garment and be healed (wings)
Biblical proof that we the New Testament Church are true Israel today
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Men that reject Christ are not wise but complete and utter fools (regardless of race). They are wicked. They are ungodly. They are blind. They are dead in sin. They are of their father the devil. They are destined for hell.
Israel overwhelmingly rejects Jesus. Hello! Waken up! Come into the real world.
Like Onced save Always saved thing?
John 5:15 Afterward Jesus findeth him (who he healed) in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, (lest a worse thing) come unto thee.
I believe the fulness of the Gentiles (or the full amount of the Gentiles) coming to salvation takes us right up until the second coming, then comes the end. The salvation of the nations does not stop until He comes.
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Romans 11:25 declares, “For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in (or, of) part is happened to Israel, until (or achris hou) the fulness (or full amount) of the Gentiles
Dispensationalists interpret this passage as if there is an age of Gentile conversion, which when concluded is followed by an age of Jewish conversion. However, that is not what this is saying. In fact, we know that salvation is equally open to Jews and Gentiles during the new covenant period. This alone should nail the fallacy that we are in a day of only Gentile salvation. This current era is not limited to Gentiles, and the period before the end is not limited to Jews. This passage isn’t remotely suggesting that there is a day coming when salvation will be removed from the Gentiles and given to the Jews. There isn’t a time in the future when salvation is available that Gentiles will be excluded from being saved. Such a thought is absurd. Salvation is available to the “whosever will” right up until the end. The door of opportunity is equally open to the Jew and Gentile during this intra-Advent period.
Now is the day of salvation, the only day of salvation. 2 Corinthians 6:2 confirms, “behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.”
Of course, much Scripture depicts the end of salvation as the climactic second coming of Christ. There is no salvation after the return of Jesus. This is when the longsuffering of God comes to an end (2 Peter 3:9, 15). This is when the full amount of Gentiles will be completed. What is more, once the nations of the world have heard the Gospel the ends comes. There is not another age of salvation. Jesus said in Matthew 24:14: "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." This is when the full amount of Gentiles will be completed. The second coming brings the curtain down on the great commission. Once the ark door closes it is too late (Matthew 25:10-13, 28:19-20 and Act 3:19-21). At the end of this age (or literally, the consummation of the age), the time of God’s grace will finally be complete.
Another problem with the Dispensational viewpoint is that it advocates an ongoing distinction between races – specifically the Jew and the Gentile. It also attributes a merit to one’s race – saying that one day one’s birthright will determine salvation. The New Testament is careful to show that race means nothing today – or ever will. It carries no favor. There is no distinction between the nations. They believe there will be some future day – namely the Coming of Christ – when race will mean something and it will determine whether one will be saved or not. For example, they intimate this reading before us proves that there is a day coming when the whole nation of Israel will be corporately saved. Race obviously is an incredible benefit. This racial identity will then automatically secure their salvation. If this is so we should offer those that are not born again a plan b, namely convert to Judaism because it is going to guarantee their salvation at Christ's return.
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Earburner
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Are you saying that Jacob's name change to Israel made him to be "a NEW creature/creation", being that of a NEW RACE?? If so, then you are mixing NC facts of reality with the OC promises that were to come.
2Cor.5[17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature [race]: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. [G2937]
Gal.6[15] For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature [a race that shall never die]. John 11:26.
Jacob, renamed Israel, and then his descendants, were NEVER new creatures, They could never be born again of the Holy Spirit of Christ, UNTIL after Christ's death and resurrection!!
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... in your opinion. But throughout the OT (as the NT) the natural always came before the spiritual. This dynamic of Jacob and Israel fits in with that. Hebrew blood, the promises to Abraham, are embodied in the creation of Israel.
After Jacob’s encounter with God at Peniel, his name was changed to Israel. Here was the beginning of Israel’s story, albeit Israel didn’t take on a more formal nationalistic character until Moses. Jacob had 12 children, these became the literal children of Israel. From this Israel developed. His children were: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Benjamin, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher and Joseph. These became the 12 tribes of Israel. When it came to receiving land, the tribe of Levi was not assigned land, as they were set aside to serve the Lord. The allocation of land was thus distributed: Reuben, Simeon, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Benjamin, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Ephraim and Manasses. The tribe of Joseph was basically split into 2 – Ephraim and Manasses. Jacob became the patriarch of this new evolving people-group.
Israel was an evolving organism. As time moved along in Egypt, and as the Pharoah’s changed, Egypt became more and more concerned at the strength and influence of the Israelites. When they arrived in Egypt, they were a family of 70 (Exodus 1:5 and Deuteronomy 10:22). By the time they exited Egypt, they were a significant ethnic group, numbering millions. Even though we do not know an exact figure, we can assume that because the size of Israel’s army (post-exodus) numbered well over 600,000 men (Numbers 1:17–46). Some learned historians suggest this figure implies a total Israelite population of around 2.4 million. Most theologians and historians estimate Israel’s population to have been around 3 million.
After the children of Israel’s prolonged sojourn in Egypt, and with God’s raising up of a strong leader to head up the Hebrew people in Moses, Israel took on a more nationalistic form. God raised up Moses to deliver His people from the bondage of Egypt and the cruelty of Pharaoh. He became God’s chosen instrument to preserve His seed and oversee His flock. Hebrews 3:2 sums up the character of Israel’s deliverer: “Moses was faithful in all his house.”
As with any new nation, there was a need to organize it into a healthy viable structure with suitable laws to govern it. From Egypt, the Israelites were led by God to Mount Sinai, who appeared throughout their travels as a cloud by day and as a fire by night (Exodus 13:21). It was here that Moses spoke directly with God and received the Ten Commandments, which were strict guidelines by which He required the nation of Israel to abide by. These laws were God’s blueprint for ruling Israel direct from heaven.
Earburner
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God’s heart and design for Old Testament Israel from the start was that they would glorify His name, be obedient unto His voice, and be a testimony to the nations. His desire was that they would be a holy nation, a special treasure, a kingdom of priests, a light to the Gentiles, and living witnesses to the reality and power of God on this earth. But Old Testament Israel never realized this great assignment. Ancient Israel was very parochial. It had no structure or procedures to reach the heathen with the Gospel. The reality is: they often failed in their own relationship with God through compromise and blatant rebellion. Not surprisingly they showed little appetite to reach the blinded Gentiles, thus failing in God’s purposes for them as a people.
While these lofty expectations were placed upon national Israel, they could only be realized in and through a holy people that were in right standing with God. Only they enjoyed a personal relationship with Yahweh, and had therefore the ability to comply. As Jesus put it in Matthew 22:14: “For many are called, but few are chosen.” Interestingly, and significantly, all of these great demands are applied to the congregation of God in the New Testament.
Romans 11:7-10 demonstrates, “What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumbling block, and a recompence unto them: Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.”
National Israel did not carry the favor of God, the elect did. This much misunderstood passage actually says the opposite to what Premillennialists suggest. It clearly says: “Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for.” This reinforces the fact God’s favor did not automatically rest upon ethnic Israel. They were overwhelming lost. It also reiterates that there were 2 Israels in existence: one that was mere racial Israel, and the other that was elect Israel. It tells us “the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.” This description of “the election” was not an abstract reality but rather a chosen people.
In a sense yes, the name change from Israel to Jacob did make him a new creature/creation through the One SEED, Christ. Not in the physical but spiritually, "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated". (Ro 9)
All Israel shall be saved certainly does not mean every son/daughter of physical descendants called Israel physically through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Paul says the Deliverer shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob (personal/spiritual name), because the Covenant is unto THEM, when Christ shall take away THEIR sins. Both are called Israel, one after the flesh, the other after faith, and only those of Israel of faith shall be saved.
Romans 11:26-27 (KJV) And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Earburner
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TR Greek- Gal. 4:29- But as then, he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now.
I can agree to what you are saying with the way the TR Greek describes it. For prior to the "glorification" of Christ, the permanent indwelling of "the Holy Spirit was NOT yet given" [John 7:39]. Having died in faith under the altar of the OC., they had NOT yet received the the Promise of the Holy Spirit, which is the vehicle of Eternal Life.
Therefore, the best that God could do for them was to keep their names in His "Remembrance" (Malachi 3:16-18) until AFTER Christ was glorified.
We can see them in Rev. 6:9-11 all receiving "white robes". THEY ARE the symbolic 144,000 faithful of OC. Israel.
Everyone born after Christ's resurrection is of the Great Multitude, for since Christ, now there is NO difference between Jew or Gentile.
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Are you denying that there is such a thing as races or are you denying that there is such a thing as the Jewish race?
There is no difference spiritually today amongst the redeemed, but that does not negate our natural unique nationalities.
I agree, but would add, the OC saints believed in the Messiah to come the Old Testament Prophets foretell in the same way we of the New also do. That is according to grace through faith that is not our own but the gift of God. Even though the Spirit that Christ would send to be within faithful saints was not permanently within the faithful saints of Old, He was always with them. It was through the Spirit with them they believed. It was not obedience to the Law that produced faith to believe, but the power of God through the Spirit. Because faith comes through hearing the gospel (Messiah to come)
John 14:17 (KJV) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
2 Corinthians 3:6 (KJV) Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Romans 10:11-18 (KJV) For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
Galatians 3:8 (KJV) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Galatians 3:16 (KJV) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
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