WHY JESUS AND THE TWELVE APOSTLES DID NOT PREACH THE CROSS

[Doug]

Uh... you're joking, right?

What is the subject of the Acts 1 Chapter regarding Jesus Christ and His Apostles? You mean you didn't see anything written there about proof of Christ's resurrection with appearing among His disciples in an upper closed off room? Acts 2 happened AFTER that Acts 1 Chapter.

And in Acts 2:22-32 Apostle Peter is SPECIFICALLY preaching The Gospel of Jesus Christ! How could you miss that?

And once those present who had yet to believe heard Peter preach The Gospel, they then asked what should they do, and Acts 2 states...

Acts 2:37-42
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"

38 Then Peter said unto them, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, "Save yourselves from this untoward generation."

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
KJV

What is the subject of the Acts 1 Chapter regarding Jesus Christ and His Apostles? You mean you didn't see anything written there about proof of Christ's resurrection with appearing among His disciples in an upper closed off room? Acts 2 happened AFTER that Acts 1 Chapter.

I don't get why you are saying this I said Peter preached the resurrection, but not salvation by the cross.

And in Acts 2:22-32 Apostle Peter is SPECIFICALLY preaching The Gospel of Jesus Christ! How could you miss that?

[Act 2:23 KJV] 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:......................Peter preached the crucifixion as a murder indictment

[Act 2:30 KJV] 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;................................Peter is not preaching the resurrection for our justification unto eternal life, but that Jesus was raised to sit on David's throne in the kingdom on earth

Where do you see that Jesus's died for our sins and rose for our justification..............where do you find him preaching faith in his blood?

Acts 2:37-42
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"

38 Then Peter said unto them, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, "Save yourselves from this untoward generation."

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
KJV

I don't know what you see in these verses since you didn't provide any commentary, but I will address pertinent verses

[Act 2:38 KJV] 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost...............They were to repent of crucifying the Lord Jesus and were commanded to be water baptized for the remission of sins. Water baptism forgave their sins and was commanded to enter the kingdom.

 

[Behold]

I think it is funny about you talking about comprehendtion when you comprehend so little.

If you had ever become a real student of the word, which is to have learned Paul's (Church Doctrine), then what im teaching would be very easy for you to understand, as its all directly taken from Paul's doctrine, literally.

Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.

Jesus explains it also as......"if you keep my words, you are my disciple indeed".

So, the issue with carrying your Cross, and keeping Jesus's words, is that you can do that and not actually be a Christian.
Hell is filled with people who were trying to be like Christ and keep commandments and are water baptized.

Now........What is the only proof of becoming a Christian?
I'll tell you so that you can finally know... @Grailhunter .

A.) Jesus said.. "you must be born again".

For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul? Matthew 16:24-26

Saving your own life by trying to be a disiple....., is not the same as God giving you eternal life that is found in Christ, that is "the Gift of Eternal Life".

We are talking about Christ and the twelve Apostles.

You are talking about the 12 now.
But previously when we were discussing Jesus's 3.5 yr ministry to the JEWS......then we understand that there was no Cross of Christ available to them.
The Cross came after they rejected Him.., and He was Crucified. He never went back to them after He was resurrected.
(now you know). @Grailhunter

The cross is more less the theme of the New Testament.

The Cross is not the Theme of the NT.
The theme of the NT is God's Righteousness, and how do you get it.

A.) "imputed righteousness".

 

[Grailhunter]

If you had ever become a real student of the word, which is to have learned Paul's (Church Doctrine), then what im teaching would be very easy for you to understand, as its all directly taken from Paul's doctrine, literally.



Jesus explains it also as......"if you keep my words, you are my disciple indeed".

So, the issue with carrying your Cross, and keeping Jesus's words, is that you can do that and not actually be a Christian.
Hell is filled with people who were trying to be like Christ and keep commandments and are water baptized.

Now........What is the only proof of becoming a Christian?
I'll tell you so that you can finally know... @Grailhunter .

A.) Jesus said.. "you must be born again".



Saving your own life by trying to be a disiple....., is not the same as God giving you eternal life that is found in Christ, that is "the Gift of Eternal Life".



You are talking about the 12 now.
But previously when we were discussing Jesus's 3.5 yr ministry to the JEWS......then we understand that there was no Cross of Christ available to them.
The Cross came after they rejected Him.., and He was Crucified. He never went back to them after He was resurrected.
(now you know). @Grailhunter



The Cross is not the Theme of the NT.
The theme of the NT is God's Righteousness, and how do you get it.

A.) "imputed righteousness".

I am addressing the topic of the thread.
You are not.
No one said Christ went back to teach the cross to the Jews.
And the cross is more or less the theme of the New Testament, without it what would be?

 

[Behold]

I am addressing the topic of the thread.
You are not.

The 12 Apostles did not "Preach the Cross" when Jesus was with them during His ministry.
As i told you., and that is the 'Thread's Topic'.
Its impossibe for Jesus's Gospel to be "Christ Crucified" (Paul's Gospel) during Jesus's Ministry to the JEWS, as Jesus had not been crucified yet.

And the cross is more or less the theme of the New Testament, without it what would be?

The Theme of the Bible is God's Righteousness......how to get it......and what if you dont have it.

God was imputing Righteousness to Abraham and Noah before Moses Law and 10 Commandments showed up, and He's doing it for every BELIEVER since The Cross of Christ was Raised.
In the Trib, those without it, are going to die and go to Hell........and thousands went there today, because they didnt have it.

 

[Grailhunter]

The 12 Apostles did not "Preach the Cross" when Jesus was with them during His ministry.
As i told you., and that is the 'Thread's Topic'.

The topic of the thread is….
WHY JESUS AND THE TWELVE APOSTLES DID NOT PREACH THE CROSS
Not
WHY JESUS AND THE TWELVE APOSTLES DID NOT PREACH THE CROSS DURING THE MINISTRY OF CHRIST

After the crucifixion what did the twelve Apostles preach? For the most part we do not know. Most of the twelve Apostles do not have writings that appear in the New Testament. Put to think that the twelve Apostles just ignored the cross would be absurd.

Peter and John refer to the cross indirectly, but most of theology of the cross is expressed by Paul.
And why would anyone want to single out the twelve Apostles?
The Apostle Paul wrote or influenced almost ¾’s of the New Testament.

 

[Grailhunter]

The Theme of the Bible is God's Righteousness......how to get it......and what if you dont have it.

Again what would the New Testament be without Christ's sacrifice on the cross?

 

[Davy]

I don't get why you are saying this I said Peter preached the resurrection, but not salvation by the cross.

I know... that's what you said, and I SHOWED HOW YOU ARE WRONG. You don't like being wrong? Tough is all I can say. Read Acts 2:22-36 instead of you BYPASSING IT! I'm not going to play your stupid little games with you declaring FALSEHOODS AGAINST GOD'S WRITTEN WORD while the Truth of Peter preaching the cross right there in those Acts 2 verses is well written!

Now if your rabbi doesn't like what I said either, then tough, is all I can say.

 

[Doug]

I know... that's what you said, and I SHOWED HOW YOU ARE WRONG. You don't like being wrong? Tough is all I can say. Read Acts 2:22-36 instead of you BYPASSING IT! I'm not going to play your stupid little games with you declaring FALSEHOODS AGAINST GOD'S WRITTEN WORD while the Truth of Peter preaching the cross right there in those Acts 2 verses is well written!

Now if your rabbi doesn't like what I said either, then tough, is all I can say.

You missed where I dealt with Acts in post #21

 

[Davy]

You missed where I dealt with Acts in post #21

You missed where I... showed your error in Acts 2, because at Acts 2:22-36 Peter preached the CROSS and BAPTISM in Christ, when you made the false claim that Peter didn't preach the cross per your Thread title.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Even you should be able to realize that If there is No Jesus on the Cross, you can't preach it. @Grailhunter

So, when Jesus was on the Earth.......talking only to the JEWS as this was His MINISTRY......He had not died on The Cross yet., and that is why He could not offer Paul's Gospel, that is "We preach Christ CRUCIFIED".. to the Jews......during Christ's minstry.

its interesting that you and PS95, and LoveYeshua......cannot comprehend that Jesus could not tell the Jews about His Cricifixion, because during His 3.5 yrs of ministering to the JEWS.....>He had been Crucified yet. And after He rose from the Dead, He didnt go back to the Jews, as His ministry was OVER.

@Doug

Behold, Your statement is not merely mistaken; it is deeply misleading and dishonors the very words of Christ. You claim that Jesus “could not preach the cross” because He had not yet been crucified. But this denies the plain testimony of the Gospels, where Jesus repeatedly and openly foretold His suffering, death, and resurrection.

In Matthew 16:21 we read, “From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things… and be killed, and be raised the third day.” This is not vague symbolism; it is the cross preached directly by Christ Himself. In John 3:14–15 He said, “As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up.” Again in Luke 9:22, “The Son of Man must suffer many things… and be killed, and be raised the third day.” And in Matthew 20:18–19, He declared the manner of His betrayal, condemnation, crucifixion, and resurrection.

To say that Jesus “did not preach the cross” is to call the Lord Himself a liar, for these are His very words. To say He “did not return to the Jews” is equally false, for after His resurrection He gathered His disciples and said: “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem” (Luke 24:46–47). Beginning at Jerusalem — not abandoning the Jews, but making them the first hearers of the cross.

And this is exactly what Peter, filled with the Spirit, did at Pentecost. He preached to the Jews: “Him… you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death” (Acts 2:22–24). The apostolic Gospel of the cross was preached in Jerusalem, by Peter, to the Jews, before it ever reached the Gentiles.

So your assertion is not only bionically false, it is dangerous, because it places Paul as the supposed “origin” of the Gospel of the cross, instead of Christ Himself. That strips the authority of the Lord’s own words and makes Him a mere forerunner of Paul — which is blasphemy.

The truth is plain: the preaching of the cross did not begin with Paul, but with Jesus Christ Himself, who declared it, fulfilled it, and commanded it to be proclaimed first to the Jews. To deny this is to deny Christ’s own words, and such a message is not from the Spirit of God.

 

[Doug]

You missed where I... showed your error in Acts 2, because at Acts 2:22-36 Peter preached the CROSS and BAPTISM in Christ, when you made the false claim that Peter didn't preach the cross per your Thread title.

Please show me the verse/verses in Acts 2 where Peter preached the cross for salvation

 

[Doug]

In Matthew 16:21 we read, “From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things… and be killed, and be raised the third day.” This is not vague symbolism; it is the cross preached directly by Christ Himself. In John 3:14–15 He said, “As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up.” Again in Luke 9:22, “The Son of Man must suffer many things… and be killed, and be raised the third day.” And in Matthew 20:18–19, He declared the manner of His betrayal, condemnation, crucifixion, and resurrection.

[Luk 18:34 KJV] 34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

Why would the understanding of the death and resurrection be hid from his disciples if he was openly preaching the cross for salvation?

 

[Davy]

Please show me the verse/verses in Acts 2 where Peter preached the cross for salvation

I told you NO GAMES. I already told you where the Scripture was.

 

[Doug]

I told you NO GAMES. I already told you where the Scripture was.

it was not anywhere in Acts 2 and thats why you cant show me the scripture

 

[Davy]

it was not anywhere in Acts 2 and thats why you cant show me the scripture

You are telling a LIE, because I showed you where it is in Acts 2 in my post #29, and that wasn't the first time either.

 

[Doug]

You are telling a LIE, because I showed you where it is in Acts 2 in my post #29, and that wasn't the first time either.

You gave quite a few verses, but nowhere in Acts 2:22-36 is Peter preaching the cross
Also I asked you to give me specific verses where you see the cross and you haven't
In short you have shown nothing to substantiate your assertion

 

[Doug]

Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see Christ's day, that hints that Abraham understood the actual Gospel of Jesus Christ.

[Jhn 8:51 KJV] 51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death........................This passage has to understood by viewing the context. Here Jesus says that those in him would not see death

[Jhn 8:52-53 KJV] 52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. 53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?........................The Jews refuted what Jesus said by saying Abraham was dead and so where the prophets

[Jhn 8:56 KJV] 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad...................Jesus is simply saying that Abraham was alive in him

 

[Behold]

Again what would the New Testament be without Christ's sacrifice on the cross?

Moses's Law and the 10 Commandments.

 

[Behold]

You missed where I... showed your error in Acts 2, because at Acts 2:22-36 Peter preached the CROSS and BAPTISM in Christ, when you made the false claim that Peter didn't preach the cross per your Thread title.

Learn how to read.

None of those verses say that Jesus died on The Cross for your sin.
Not one.
Not ONE......= ZERO.

Those verses talk about David, and Christ's soul not being left in Hell and Christ's resurrection, ect.

Peter also tells the Jews that they crucifed Jesus.

But there is nothing in all those verses that tell anyone to Trust in Christ or to BELEIVE In Jesus...... or Give God your FAITH in Christ...., and there is not one word in all those verses about Christ dying for sins.

A.) No Gospel found in your verses @Davy

If you want the Gospel........go and study Paul's epistles, or if you are too lazy to do that, then just read John 3:16.

 

[Davy]

You gave quite a few verses, but nowhere in Acts 2:22-36 is Peter preaching the cross
Also I asked you to give me specific verses where you see the cross and you haven't
In short you have shown nothing to substantiate your assertion

I guess I'm going to have to SPOON FEED you.

The following Acts 2 Scripture is Peter PREACHING THE CROSS. By your DENIAL of the following Acts 2 Scripture, I have to wonder IF... you are an actual Christian, because it is obvious what Peter is preaching concerning Christ's CRUCIFIXION and RESURRECTION from the dead!

Apostle Peter speaking...

Acts 2:22-36
22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by Him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Got to start with the above verse so one knows Who these verses are pointing to.

23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

THERE'S THE CROSS, JESUS' CRUCIFIXION! Peter points directly to "Ye men of Israel" as being responsible.

24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that He should be holden of it.

THERE'S JESUS' HAVING BEEN RAISED FROM THE DEAD BY THE FATHER, CHRIST'S RESURRECTION!

25 For David speaketh concerning Him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for He is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt Thou suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption.

The Father did NOT allow Jesus' body to see corruption. That is what David was saying about Christ Jesus.

28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; Thou shalt make me full of joy with Thy countenance.

29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Christ Jesus' flesh lineage would come from David's lineage. David's earthy throne is to be inherited by Lord Jesus Christ at His future return.

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Again, Jesus' flesh body was translated, not found in the tomb. It did not see corruption like our dead flesh bodies do. Christ's RESURRECTION was special, his Spirit body retaining the marks of His crucifixion. AGAIN THIS IS PETER PREACHING OF THE DEATH AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST!

32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

PETER DIRECTLY PREACHING THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST, PETER HIMSELF AS A DIRECT WITNESS OF IT.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, He hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, "The LORD said unto my Lord, 'Sit Thou on My right hand,
35 Until I make Thy foes Thy footstool.'"

Christ Jesus at present sits at the right hand of The Father, still expecting until all His enemies are made His footstool. THAT AGAIN IS ABOUT CHRIST'S RESURRECTION AND HAVING ASCENDED TO HEAVEN TO THE FATHER.

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, Whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
KJV

ONCE AGAIN, PETER PREACHES JESUS' CRUCIFIXION, THEN SPECIFICALLY 'THE CROSS' WITH WHAT ONE MUST DO TO BE SAVED...

Acts 2:37-41
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"

Those present of Israel then ask Peter what they should do to alleviate responsibility for the sin of having Jesus crucified!

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

SINCE YOU THINK YOU MUST HEAR WORDS ABOUT HOW TO BE SAVED BY CHRIST'S DEATH AND RESURRECTION, THERE IT IS, THE DIRECT PREACHING OF THE CROSS BY APOSTLE PETER!

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, "Save yourselves from this untoward generation."
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
KJV

THEN THOSE WHO HEARD AND UNDERSTOOD PETER'S PREACHING WERE BAPTIZED IN JESUS CHRIST, AND ADDED TO THE CHURCH.