WARNING: Many Who Now Speak SPEAK AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT.

[shepherdsword]

And this is where you are wrong--for I did not make any claim about blaspheming me.

Careful. These of are the days of which Jesus warned, saying “anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven."

You said this to WPM when he posted this "LOL. You are describing your own heresy of denying the future physical second coming." As if calling you a heretic was blasphemy. You based it on this "20 for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you" (Matthew 10:17-20)." So yeah, you did.

 

[lforrest]

From my point of view the holy spirit changed, to the Spirit of Christ which lives within us now.

From my point of view, what was once known as the Holy Spirit has, in this age of fulfillment, become manifest as the Spirit of Christ dwelling within us. This isn’t a contradiction—it’s a deepening of revelation.
Paul writes, “Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His” (Romans 8:9). That same Spirit is the one Jesus promised would come: “I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever—the Spirit of truth” (John 14:16–17).
The Spirit of Christ is not separate from the Holy Spirit—it is the indwelling presence of God’s own nature, given to those who believe. “Christ in you, the hope of glory” (Colossians 1:27).
So yes, the Spirit has shifted from being upon people to being within them. That’s the mystery revealed: “Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?” (1 Corinthians 3:16).


I still use Holy Spirit/Spirit of Christ conjunctively, but I do believe they are very different, yet one together in the purpose of God's desire and will, in which we find comfort and compassion even for ourselves.

I think it is fine to use the Holy Spirit/the Spirit of Christ /the Spirit of God conjunctively.

The person of the Spirit need not have changed. While his relationship with man did change. Like you say the Holy Spirit would come upon people and make them prophecy. But now he indwells in the believers. What changed is we are now covered by the blood.

Perhaps the Spirit has a certain degree of tolerance for things that grieve him. Back in the days of Noah God said his Spirit will not contend with man forever, and his days were numbered. But through the consecration of us by the blood of Jesus Christ, the Spirit is able to tolerate living in our temple.

 

[shepherdsword]

No--but you should have expected what is written to come and has come.

Nor have I "dodged" the accusations, but have tried to explain within biblical parameters--allowing the Spirit to lead, rather than myself (which I have refrained from doing). Have I demanded or taken all the credit? Certainly not, but have given God the credit at every turn.

Ok, If you are not dodging then provide straight answers to these questions
1) What is it that is written to come and has come?
2)What is "written of me"

 

[Muna]

In 1 Corinthians 1:22 Paul is rather speaking of the foolishness of both the Jews and the gentiles.

I was referring rather to the fact that God comes first to the Jew and then to the gentiles...with the same salvation message. Meaning what has occurred with the Jews, is even a foreshadowing--and a light--unto the gentiles. Making much of the word to the Jews, applicable also to the gentiles.

I know what Paul is saying there, you posted first concerning an evil generation seeketh a sign, after which I pointed out that the Jews (as they were) were seeking a sign, as Paul states they do, "Jews seek a sign, Greeks look for wisdom" (Christ, in his death was their sign, and the wisdom of God the other would seek for). No sign would be given them Jesus said, but the sign of the prophet Jonas, which pertained to Jonah but which also pertained to his being buried three days and night (he says so much again in John 2:18-20). That does not negate the fact that he was raised even as Jonah was to turn them from their inquities.

Acts 3:26 Unto you (the Jews) first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

 

[Muna]

The voice of the seventh angel? I never said that. God knows.

I was indeed caught up to the third heaven in the presence of God, heard words then unlawful to utter, and returned to declare them when He who restrains was taken out of the way. That is my witness.

Gotcha, so those things Paul and John and you heard, which were unlawful for them to write, or even utter are going to be made lawful for you to utter to us when this other he is out of your way to do so?

Would he be on this forum also?

As for you last question, I refer you to my signature line link below. But I have also openly been saying much of it here for some time.

I dont have signatures turned on to see your signature.

 

[amigo de christo]

I wasnt sure if he was justifying selling oil

Verily verily , truly truly i say unto thee
Whatever he be a selling aint for thee or for me . THAT BE A FACT friend .
What starts with a P and ends with an E and one amongst us is really full of this my friend . Starts with a p
in front of that car RIDE . P , RIDE . something aint right my friend . SOmething is dead wrong .

 

[Muna]

Verily verily , truly truly i say unto thee
Whatever he be a selling aint for thee or for me . THAT BE A FACT friend .
What starts with a P and ends with an E and one amongst us is really full of this my friend . Starts with a p
in front of that car RIDE . P , RIDE . something aint right my friend . SOmething is dead wrong .

It's not like I am buying it (I am not that naive)

Hey, sometimes I get pulled into a conversation out of curiosity, or I find it temporarily amusing, or I have a moment of boredom (but no real interest in it) and I am reaping what I have sown on a couple of them ...."round and round and round and round and round we go"

 

[Muna]

I am just going to leave off this conversation also, this is not going to go anywhere that I can take too seriously (at least by me anyway).

 

[ScottA]

Hey @ScottA, I’ve been pondering something and wanted to get your take.


What do you think about the idea of prophecy ceasing?


I’ve come to believe that the kind of prophecy where God reveals new, authoritative messages has stopped. Hebrews 1:1–2 says, “God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son…” That feels like a transition point—God’s final and fullest revelation coming through Christ.


Then there’s Revelation 22:18–19, where John—receiving the vision from the angel sent by the Lord (Revelation 1:1)—warns not to add to or take away from the words of that prophecy. It reads like a closing seal on divine revelation.


And Paul touches this too in 1 Corinthians 13:8–10: “Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail… For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.” Some interpret “that which is perfect” as the completed canon of Scripture, suggesting that prophecy was a temporary gift until full revelation was given.


I know there are different views on this—some say prophecy continues in a different form—but I wanted to hear how you interpret it. From my perspective, the canon is closed, and the Spirit now illuminates what’s already been revealed rather than delivering new messages.


Would love to hear your thoughts.

Good question!

There are seasons, and certainly the reference to the prophets leading up to Christ is significant, but the over arching truth regarding prophesying the future, is "Christ (The Word) is the same yesterday, today, and forever."

I would consider the mention of the prophets leading up to Christ, rather as giving credit and confirmation to the words of Christ.

As for adding or taking away from the word, there is only one way that any further written word from God could then come, which is--if it were already written, and simply not yet revealed...as in the case of the little book previewed by John spoken of in the book of Revelation that was written before but not revealed at that time.

As for prophecies failing, yes, they will all fail or cease with the last and in the end, in the fulness of time. With "love never fails" being the greater point.

 

[ScottA]

You said this to WPM when he posted this "LOL. You are describing your own heresy of denying the future physical second coming." As if calling you a heretic was blasphemy. You based it on this "20 for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you" (Matthew 10:17-20)." So yeah, you did.

No--I did not mention myself in that exchange--and you did not quote me mentioning myself as doing so either. Which makes your accusation a "false testimony."

 

[ScottA]

Ok, If you are not dodging then provide straight answers to these questions
1) What is it that is written to come and has come?
2)What is "written of me"

I have answered you already on this--the matter is in the hands of the Spirit to reveal it to you. That's how this works. If you are not clear on how it works, read again what Jesus told Peter about how he came to the knowledge that Jesus is the Christ.

 

[ScottA]

I know what Paul is saying there, you posted first concerning an evil generation seeketh a sign, after which I pointed out that the Jews (as they were) were seeking a sign, as Paul states they do, "Jews seek a sign, Greeks look for wisdom" (Christ, in his death was their sign, and the wisdom of God the other would seek for). No sign would be given them Jesus said, but the sign of the prophet Jonas, which pertained to Jonah but which also pertained to his being buried three days and night (he says so much again in John 2:18-20). That does not negate the fact that he was raised even as Jonah was to turn them from their inquities.

Acts 3:26 Unto you (the Jews) first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

I meant to "negate" nothing, but rather to say that what qualified then as an "evil generation", also applies to the gentiles--only worse. Only worse, because we were given more of what is written than the Jews.

 

[ScottA]

Gotcha, so those things Paul and John and you heard, which were unlawful for them to write, or even utter are going to be made lawful for you to utter to us when this other he is out of your way to do so?

Would he be on this forum also?

All of this is written in the scriptures--it's not a forum thing. "He who restrains" is God, which He has done by darkness and by confusion--the confusion of all language world wide at Babel. That restraint was to keep the "finish of the mystery of God" from being fully revealed and known until the times have been fulfilled. This is that time, and He has removed the restraint. I have made the "finish" available, as it was given to me to do.

But again--this is not the subject of this thread.

I dont have signatures turned on to see your signature.

www.FinishingTheMystery.com

 

[ScottA]

This is a good example of recklessly accusing someone during these times since Pentecost, with what is admittedly only "something":

Verily verily , truly truly i say unto thee
Whatever he be a selling aint for thee or for me . THAT BE A FACT friend .
What starts with a P and ends with an E and one amongst us is really full of this my friend . Starts with a p
in front of that car RIDE . P , RIDE . something aint right my friend . SOmething is dead wrong .

But he is not the only one--not hardly. Many here have no problem believing claims like "The Lord spoke unto me", etc, all throughout the scriptures. Which is more than a pattern, but rather an established practice and method of God--not just approved by God--but brought about by God. But when it happens in their own circle, they turn all Priest and Pharisee, condemning it like it never happened before. Just sayin'.

 

[shepherdsword]

No--I did not mention myself in that exchange--and you did not quote me mentioning myself as doing so either. Which makes your accusation a "false testimony."

You insinuated it so this makes your denial a prevarication.

 

[shepherdsword]

I have answered you already on this--the matter is in the hands of the Spirit to reveal it to you. That's how this works. If you are not clear on how it works, read again what Jesus told Peter about how he came to the knowledge that Jesus is the Christ.

Once again you dodge the question with some pseudo-spiritual mumbo jumbo. What Jesus told Peter about the Christ has nothing to do with you.
Do you acknowledge that Jesus is God manifested in the flesh?

 

[soberxp]

I am not worried. Those who believe will always believe, besides believing, there is God's judgment.

Adults should bear the consequences of their choices.

Mind explaining this a bit more .

matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Mark 13:31
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

The Gospel of Luke 21:33
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

21:34
And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.



You may see the end of the world written in these words.
You might suspect that the world can't come to an end just yet.
That's not the point.

The point is my words shall not pass away
Why and how?

God's judgment.
God's judgment by his word, not by law of sin/sin of law.

 

[amigo de christo]

matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Mark 13:31
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

The Gospel of Luke 21:33
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

21:34
And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.



You may see the end of the world written in these words.
You might suspect that the world can't come to an end just yet.
That's not the point.

The point is my words shall not pass away
Why and how?

God's judgment.
God's judgment by his word, not by law of sin/sin of law.

and now a reminder .
If under the law a man could be put to death by two or three witnesses
HOW MUCH SORER a punishment awaits all who trod CHRIST under foot .
JESUS WILL JUDGE all right . And all who denied him will surely wail .
Let me give you an example of denying Him .
NOT believing HE IS THE CHRIST
And here is another real scary one for this generation too ,
Claiming to believe on him and yet following a lie.
Calling him a liar .
Example .
WHEN one implies in any shape form or fashion that it was not absolutely necessary to have had to have beleived ON HIM
but rather implies KUYMBIA for the end of all souls , THAT BE CALLING JESUS A LIAR .
SO my advice does remain the same .
GET AWAY from and far away from ANY who even dares to lip ecumincialism interfaith .
WE cant play two gospels my freind . ITS BELEIVE or perish . That simple .

 

[soberxp]

and now a reminder .
If under the law a man could be put to death by two or three witnesses
HOW MUCH SORER a punishment awaits all who trod CHRIST under foot .
JESUS WILL JUDGE all right . And all who denied him will surely wail .
Let me give you an example of denying Him .
NOT believing HE IS THE CHRIST
And here is another real scary one for this generation too ,
Claiming to believe on him and yet following a lie.
Calling him a liar .
Example .
WHEN one implies in any shape form or fashion that it was not absolutely necessary to have had to have beleived ON HIM
but rather implies KUYMBIA for the end of all souls , THAT BE CALLING JESUS A LIAR .
SO my advice does remain the same .
GET AWAY from and far away from ANY who even dares to lip ecumincialism interfaith .
WE cant play two gospels my freind . ITS BELEIVE or perish . That simple .

If perish is the goal, then what is the purpose of judgment? Is it merely to let people die with full knowledge and understanding before their perish?

 

[amigo de christo]

If perish is the goal, then what is the purpose of judgment? Is it merely to let people die with full knowledge and understanding before their perish?

confuscious say many things .
BUT what JESUS said IS TRUE and is TRUTH .
Let us all beware the realm of confuscious for by his carnal wisdom he will surely lead one astray and into
the mindset of a huge kuymbia .
JESUS said what HE SAID
men say what they say .
Any guesses on which of the TWO i am gonna heed .
JESUS .
Very dire warnings about the dire need TO BELEIVE ON HIM , OR PERISH . keep that in mind
the next time a ecumincal kuymbia train drives near you . THEY LIE my friend . BUT GOD cannot lie
and does NOT desire the death of the wicked
but rather they repent . SO LETS PREACH JESUS and not kuymbia endings for all . JESUS and the dire need to BELIEVE ON HIM .
Cause HE SAVES and one must BELEIVE to be saved .