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Why not ask those which say they are Jews (as Jesus points out) know any of those?
For example, how do you know the ones you support are only claiming to be what Jesus tells us they are lying about?
Because, wouldn't you be supporting and promoting a lie if you are supporting the wrong ones?
So let me ask you, since you are very vocal about supporting Jews
And how do you know whether the Jews you support are the true Jews (if Jesus tells us there are those who say they are Jews
and do lie).
If Jesus never said that, we wouldnt have to ask right? We would believe anyone who told us they were a Jew (without questioning a thing)
My question was specifically for you.
I use lots of clear Scripture. I'll let God sort them out. And He will.
What Jews do I support?
I don't necessarily believe anyone, but God of the Bible.
Romans 1:16
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
So you are avoiding answering, I didnt expect much from you Jack, I never do, so I am not disapointed.
How ironic since you evaded the many Scriptures I post.
Sit back and watch God FIGHT for Israel in the Land of the Bible, again and again ...
PS95
Well-Known Member
Apparently, we do not share the same eschatology as I reject Scofield- pre trib and all that goes with it.-
So I don't read those they way you do. I'm not going into all of that here tho..
Maybe just read Rev 20
I agree God has not cast away His people- as is written there is a remnant.
All Israel isn't all of the Jews in Israel- but is spiritual Israel that is saved.- both Jews and Gentiles.
The one thing you are missing is Charlie Kirk.. & the Mr Netanyahu problem. look up what Charlie talked about in his last month or so regarding Israel.
You posted one scripture in post #143 it did not even apply to the question
Personally, I do not believe the U.S behind Israel is God fighting.
Not that I do not look forward to watching God do his thing
but the U.S is foreign power doing all it can to pick up the pieces
of war after war after war after war.
Which I would think would help in the end of all nations, as they go broke on these wars
Then maybe then? God will get the full glory
(with the U.S out of the way)
I can't really say how it will all go, but I don't think the U.S should be mistaken for God
fighting Israels wars.
Could be wrong, eschatolgy is not my thing.
I did a search on Jews that differ from one another on the land they occupy
Some religious Jews, particularly within certain ultra-Orthodox or traditionalist streams, hold the view that the establishment of a modern secular state of Israel is not in accordance with divine will and that Jews should not actively seek to reestablish national sovereignty in the land of Israel through human effort. This perspective is rooted in specific interpretations of Jewish religious texts and historical teachings.
The reasoning stems from a belief in three divine vows attributed to the Talmudic sages, which are said to have been given by God during the period of exile after the destruction of the Second Temple. These vows are understood by some religious Jews as prohibiting the Jewish people from forcibly reclaiming the land of Israel through rebellion or conquest. The first vow states that Jews should not attempt to reestablish their nation by their own power.
This belief is reinforced by the teachings of prominent rabbis, such as Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch, who argued that the Jewish people must await national independence solely through Divine Providence and not through political or military means. He emphasized that the longing for the land should be expressed through mourning and spiritual yearning, not through physical reclamation.
Furthermore, some religious Jews interpret the Torah as not recognizing the legitimacy of the modern State of Israel as a political entity. They view the current state as a "foreign" or "illegitimate" secular state, and while they may live in Israel, they consider their true homeland to be in the spiritual or heavenly realm.
This view is echoed by historical figures like Rabbi Yehuda Loew of Prague, who wrote that a Jew should rather give up their life than attempt to end exile by conquering the Holy Land. This theological stance positions the modern state as a human construct that contradicts the divine plan for the Jewish people's return to the land, which is believed to be contingent upon the coming of the Messiah.
But maybe these Jews are wrong because it starts off
Some religious Jews, particularly within certain ultra-Orthodox or traditionalist streams
And so these would be Jews of the synagogue
Since Jesus said,
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie Rev 9:3
Some religious Jews, particularly within certain ultra-Orthodox or traditionalist streams, hold the view that the establishment of a modern secular state of Israel is not in accordance with divine will and that Jews should not actively seek to reestablish national sovereignty in the land of Israel through human effort. This perspective is rooted in specific interpretations of Jewish religious texts and historical teachings.
The reasoning stems from a belief in three divine vows attributed to the Talmudic sages, which are said to have been given by God during the period of exile after the destruction of the Second Temple. These vows are understood by some religious Jews as prohibiting the Jewish people from forcibly reclaiming the land of Israel through rebellion or conquest. The first vow states that Jews should not attempt to reestablish their nation by their own power.
This belief is reinforced by the teachings of prominent rabbis, such as Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch, who argued that the Jewish people must await national independence solely through Divine Providence and not through political or military means. He emphasized that the longing for the land should be expressed through mourning and spiritual yearning, not through physical reclamation.
Furthermore, some religious Jews interpret the Torah as not recognizing the legitimacy of the modern State of Israel as a political entity. They view the current state as a "foreign" or "illegitimate" secular state, and while they may live in Israel, they consider their true homeland to be in the spiritual or heavenly realm.
This view is echoed by historical figures like Rabbi Yehuda Loew of Prague, who wrote that a Jew should rather give up their life than attempt to end exile by conquering the Holy Land. This theological stance positions the modern state as a human construct that contradicts the divine plan for the Jewish people's return to the land, which is believed to be contingent upon the coming of the Messiah.
But maybe these Jews are wrong because it starts off
Some religious Jews, particularly within certain ultra-Orthodox or traditionalist streams
And so these would be Jews of the synagogue
Since Jesus said,
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie Rev 9:3
This was pretty good, by Max Blumenthal (who is a Jew) but a little from his perspective on those two
You might have watched it already
And this one also by Dave Smith (a Jew) going up against a Zionist in this one
Earburner
Well-Known Member
Really?? All of that for every Jew?? Without repentance towards God the Father through having faith in the Lord Jesus Christ??
I doubt it very much!!
Do not be fooled by the spiritual falsitity of the Balfour Declaration and Zionism, as being some sort of scriptural fulfillment. It is not God ordained, and has nothing to do with God the Father and the kingdom of God through His only begotten Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.
"The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from Arthur Balfour, the British foreign secretary, to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland."
Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia
You should restudy KJV Dan. 9:27 and understand that it is the end result of what took place in the midst of Jesus' 70th week of 1260 days.
Clue: the word "he" in verse 27 is referring to Jesus.
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25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.
26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.
NOTHING can stop it!
Sorry, I've been too busy reading the Bible. Israel is Home to stay in the Land of the Bible. Ain't nobody moving them out!
You should have stuck to reading the Bible."The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from Arthur Balfour, the British foreign secretary, to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland."
Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
This was a dumb question? Not for Christians pulling 'Christians' out of the fire!
Jude 1:22-23
22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,
Are you following your posts? What question are you even talking about before I stick you on ignore because I am bored of you.
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