Only Those Who Do the Will of God Will Enter the Kingdom

[Deleted member 26788]

Many call Jesus “Lord,” yet few understand what it truly means to do the Father’s will. From the beginning, God revealed His will through His commandments, His prophets, and finally through His Son. Jesus warned that not everyone who calls on Him will enter the kingdom, but only those who obey the will of God. In His words we find life, truth, and the path to eternal salvation. This is not about human traditions or opinions, but about surrendering to what God Himself has spoken, and living it out in faith, love, and obedience.

From the very beginning, God has never left mankind in darkness concerning His will. He revealed it in His commandments, He repeated it through His prophets, and He showed it perfectly in His Son. The will of God is not hidden—it is life, it is truth, it is love, and it is holiness. To walk in it is to walk in blessing, and to turn away from it is to walk in death.

In the Old Testament, God spoke to Israel and gave them His law. He declared, “You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength” (Deuteronomy 6:5). This is the first and highest expression of His will. It means that the whole heart, the whole soul, and the whole strength of man belong to Him, not partly but fully. In daily life this means that no idol, no desire, no pursuit of wealth, pleasure, or honor can be placed above God. To do His will is to put Him first when we rise in the morning and when we rest at night, when we speak with others and when we are alone in secret.

Moses also made it plain when he asked, “What does the LORD your God require of you, but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways and to love Him, to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, and to keep the commandments of the LORD and His statutes which I command you today for your good?” (Deuteronomy 10:12-13). Here the will of God is described in detail: fear Him, meaning to honor Him and never treat His words lightly; walk in His ways, meaning to follow the path He sets out; love Him, not in word only but in action; serve Him with all the heart and soul, meaning to live with devotion; and keep His commandments, not grudgingly, but knowing they are given for our good. In everyday life this means honesty in our dealings, faithfulness in our promises, purity in our thoughts, and kindness toward others.

The prophet Micah gave a simple summary that touches the heart: “He has shown you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God?” (Micah 6:8). Justice means treating others with fairness and truth, not taking advantage of the weak. Mercy means showing forgiveness and compassion, even when it is not deserved. Walking humbly with God means not lifting ourselves up in pride, but recognizing that He is the giver of life and that all we are belongs to Him. This is His will.

When Jesus came, He revealed the Father’s will not only in words but also in how He lived. He said, “I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me” (John 6:38). Every word He spoke, every act of compassion, every prayer, every step of obedience—even to the cross—was the Father’s will done perfectly. And He revealed what the Father desires for us: “This is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day” (John 6:40). Here is the promise of eternal life, but it comes only to those who see Jesus for who He truly is, believe in Him with faith, and follow His teaching with obedience and Love.

Jesus also gave a strong warning: “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’” (Matthew 7:21-23). It is possible to call Him Lord, to claim faith, and even to do mighty works, yet still be far from Him if we live in sin. The will of God is not fulfilled in empty words or in outward displays, but in turning from lawlessness and obeying His commands in truth.

He also declared, “Whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother” (Matthew 12:50). This shows that obedience to God’s will is greater even than family ties. In daily life this means that our true fellowship is with those who live in obedience to God, not only with those who are bound to us by blood. Jesus further promised, “If anyone desires to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority” (John 7:17). Those who sincerely wish to do God’s will are given light and understanding. In practical terms, when we set our heart to obey, God Himself teaches us, opens our eyes, and gives us discernment so that we are not led astray.

Jesus summarized all the law and the prophets with two great commandments: “‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets” (Matthew 22:37-40). To do the will of God means first to love Him with all our being and second to love others in the same way we care for ourselves. In daily life this means showing patience, generosity, kindness, and forgiveness to others, just as we desire these things for ourselves.

Yet Jesus raised the standard higher, commanding not only love for neighbors but also for enemies: “Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust” (Matthew 5:44-45). God’s will is that His children show mercy as He shows mercy, extending kindness even to those who harm them. In daily life this means praying for those who hurt us, refusing to answer hatred with hatred, and showing good where evil was expected. In doing this, we show ourselves to be children of the heavenly Father.

For this reason Jesus taught us to pray, “Your kingdom come. Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven” (Matthew 6:10). In heaven the will of God is done perfectly, and Jesus taught us to seek the same obedience here on earth. To do the will of God is to make our lives a reflection of His kingdom, where love, holiness, and mercy reign.

Therefore the will of God, as revealed in both the Old Testament and the words of Jesus, is clear and unchanging. It is to love Him with all our being, to keep His commandments, to fear Him, to walk in His ways, to do justice, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with Him. It is to believe in His Son, to hear His words and put them into practice, to turn from sin, to love our neighbour as ourselves, and even to love our enemies. Those who do His will are His true children, His true family, and they will receive eternal life, for Jesus Himself said, “This is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day” (John 6:40).

Blessings

when you say Kingdom , to what do you Specified as the Kingdom ?

 

[bdavidc]

Every orthodox Christian on this forum will affirm the words of Paul, "neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but keeping God's commands;" the point where they will differ is the MEANS whereby that occurs : if God's plan for serving Him in the ew Covenant was "oldness of the letter [of the Law]", and not "newness of the Spirit [of Grace]", how were the Gentile believers deemed "doers of the Torah" (and, based on that righteousness, headed for justification on the Day of Judgment) while neither possessing nor knowing Torah (Ro 2:6-16, 26 27, 7:1)?

Paul isn’t teaching that Gentiles in some way stumbled into being made righteous by inadvertently keeping Torah. No, friend, that’s not what Romans is about.

Paul is saying whether you have the law written on stone or whether you have the law written on your conscience, before a holy God, you are still guilty. The law, whether it be Moses’ tablets or your own moral compass, it is like a mirror that shows you the dirt on your face. It doesn’t clean you. It just shows you that which is wrong.

Now when Paul talks about the “newness of the Spirit”, he’s talking about a brand new operating system, grace. God doesn’t upgrade the old covenant, He gives you a new heart, empowered by the Holy Spirit. That is what happens when you are born again. The Spirit doesn’t make you a better lawkeeper, He makes you a new creature who delights to obey God from the inside out.

Those Gentiles in Romans 2? They didn’t earn righteousness, they demonstrated that everyone needs the same Savior. Paul pounds that nail all the way through the board: “There is none righteous, no, not one” (Romans 3:10). Jew or Gentile, religious or not, the verdict is the same, guilty. But the good news is that God does not leave us in that courtroom. Through Jesus, He steps down from the bench, pays the fine Himself, and then calls us His sons and daughters.

See the difference between law and grace? The law says “do this and live”. Grace says, “It’s done, now live.”

So please, let’s be clear: the Gentiles were not “doing Torah” on the way to their justification. They were demonstrating that all roads of human effort lead to the same dead end. Only through faith in Christ can anyone truly keep the heart of God’s commands.

As one of your notes here says “The time to wake up is now. The truth is in Sola Scriptura.” God is not looking for folks who try to polish up the flesh with law. He is looking for new hearts walking in the Spirit of grace. That is where the real obedience comes.

 

[FaithWillDo]

I guess you gave me a test I didn't pass.

Faith,,,
Everything you post is AN OPINION of yours.

Dear G______,

I noticed that you responded to me earlier this morning but I have not read it yet. I will try to respond to it (if necessary) later this morning.

Below is an additional response to my previous post that I wanted to make since you are having difficulty understanding the Early Rain.

The concept stated below applies to the Early and Latter Rains:

1Cor 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

This concept that Paul stated above applies to many things.

Here is a short list:

1). The natural (physical) body comes first, then comes the spiritual body. Paul was applying the concept in this way in 1Cor 15:42-45.

2). The Law that was written on tablets of stone is the natural and comes first, then comes the spiritual when Christ writes the Law in a person’s heart.

3). The Old Covenant of Law is the natural and comes first, then comes the New Covenant of Grace through Faith which is the spiritual.

4). Christ’s first coming is the natural and occurred when He entered Jerusalem on Palm Sunday, then comes the spiritual when Christ appears to those (Elect babes) who are waiting for Him.

5). The physical temple built with hands is the natural and comes first, then comes the spiritual temple that is built without hands. This temple is an individual believer who has the Holy Spirit indwelling them.

6). The carnal mind is the natural and comes first, then comes the spiritual; the mind of Christ.

7). The Early Rain comes first and is the natural, then comes the Latter Rain which is the spiritual.

Below is the point I wanted to make about the Early Rain as it relates to Paul’s conversion testimony and Christ’s first coming in the natural.

Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

This scripture was fulfilled in the natural when Christ entered Jerusalem on Palm Sunday. As the scripture says, He came “suddenly” to His temple. Christ’s natural coming also applies to the Early Rain. When Christ first comes to a person (an unbeliever), He appears to them “in the flesh” (2John 2:7/the natural) because the new babe in Christ will remain carnally minded and spiritually blind. This is how all new believers will experience the first coming of Christ.

Here is the portion of Paul’s testimony where Paul experienced Christ’s first coming in the flesh:

Acts 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly, there shined round about him a light from heaven: 4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecute thou me? 5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord?

Christ’s first coming to His temple occurs “suddenly”. In this case, Christ’s temple was Paul. Paul did not ask for Christ to come nor did Paul give Christ his permission to come. Christ just suddenly came to Paul and gave Paul a small measure of the Holy Spirit (the Early Rain).

At that time, Christ remained spiritually veiled from Paul. Paul could hear Christ’s voice but could not identify whose voice it was. Paul had to be told because he could not understand on his own. This is why babes in Christ need teachers and cannot learn for themselves directly from God’s Word.

Paul then became blind which represented Paul’s spiritual blindness. This means that Paul’s understanding of Christ was only in the natural. Paul could understand “Christ and Him crucified” (1Cor 2:14) because this portion of Christ’s ministry was performed under the Old Covenant (the natural). Since that was the only way that Paul could see Christ, Christ’s spiritual teachings would largely remain veiled from Paul’s understanding.

All new babes in Christ will experience Christ’s first coming in the same way that Paul did. They, too, will remain carnally minded and spiritually blind. They will be able to see “Christ” in the flesh and will be able to understand “Christ and Him crucified” but Christ’s spiritual teachings of the New Covenant (the spiritual) will largely be veiled from their understanding.

Because all new babes are spiritually blind and cannot understand Christ’s spiritual teachings, they have all fallen prey to Satan since Paul’s departing (his death). This is the apostasy that Paul said would be soon coming into the church (Acts 20:29-31).

The scripture below applies the how babes become apostate:

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts (converted believers who have both the Early and Latter Rains). 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language (spiritual language) will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them (babes who draw milk) precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken (by Satan).

Joe

 

[GracePeace]

Paul isn’t teaching that Gentiles in some way stumbled into being made righteous by inadvertently keeping Torah. No, friend, that’s not what Romans is about.

Paul is saying whether you have the law written on stone or whether you have the law written on your conscience, before a holy God, you are still guilty. The law, whether it be Moses’ tablets or your own moral compass, it is like a mirror that shows you the dirt on your face. It doesn’t clean you. It just shows you that which is wrong.

Now when Paul talks about the “newness of the Spirit”, he’s talking about a brand new operating system, grace. God doesn’t upgrade the old covenant, He gives you a new heart, empowered by the Holy Spirit. That is what happens when you are born again. The Spirit doesn’t make you a better lawkeeper, He makes you a new creature who delights to obey God from the inside out.

Those Gentiles in Romans 2? They didn’t earn righteousness, they demonstrated that everyone needs the same Savior. Paul pounds that nail all the way through the board: “There is none righteous, no, not one” (Romans 3:10). Jew or Gentile, religious or not, the verdict is the same, guilty. But the good news is that God does not leave us in that courtroom. Through Jesus, He steps down from the bench, pays the fine Himself, and then calls us His sons and daughters.

See the difference between law and grace? The law says “do this and live”. Grace says, “It’s done, now live.”

So please, let’s be clear: the Gentiles were not “doing Torah” on the way to their justification. They were demonstrating that all roads of human effort lead to the same dead end. Only through faith in Christ can anyone truly keep the heart of God’s commands.

As one of your notes here says “The time to wake up is now. The truth is in Sola Scriptura.” God is not looking for folks who try to polish up the flesh with law. He is looking for new hearts walking in the Spirit of grace. That is where the real obedience comes.

1. Romans 8:4
2. Yeah they were justified by grace through faith, and, as you say, that looks like a new creature who delights to do God's will, and, God is approving of that all along and ultimately on Judgment Day.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Only Those Who Do the Will of God Will Enter the Kingdom

What the OSAS greasy grace folks are saying is that it's OK to be DISOBEDIENT to the Lord and live in opposition to Him (walk after the flesh not after the Spirit) and still be in right standing with the Lord falsely claiming one does not die spiritually (become separated from the Lord) when they do sinful behavior.

This is the same message satan delivered to Adam and Eve that one can be disobedient and not die spiritually which is how we know the OSAS greasy grace folks are speaking in behalf of the devil in service to darkness and not to the Lord.

 

[FaithWillDo]

How about replying to my scripture instead?

Dear GodsGrace,
I had to go back a long ways to find the verses you are mentioning.

Here they are:

Ephesians 2:8
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

Faith is a gift from God that does not come naturally from within ourselves. Faith is given with the Early Rain and comes in "measure".

In the verse below, Paul is writing to babes who have been called to be saints and who have only been given the Early Rain.

Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man (babes) that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

A babe's faith will be increased beyond the measure that they received from the Early Rain when they receive the Latter Rain.

In the verse below, Paul is writing to babes who are "called to be saints". When Paul says to them "when your faith is increased", he is referring to when they will receive the Latter Rain. It will be at that time that they will actually be a saint.

2Cor 10:15 Not boasting of things without our measure, that is, of other men’s labors, but having hope, when your faith is increased, that we shall be enlarged by you according to our rule abundantly,

Matthew 22:37-39
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’

This occurs as a result of being converted into a child of God.

Babes who have the Early Rain cannot love God with all their heart, soul and mind because only a child of God can do this. Unconverted babes remain children of the Devil and can only see Christ carnally. Because of such, they will mistake Satan for Christ. Their love is misplaced.

Romans 8:9-10
9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
10 If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

This is true for converted believers who have both the Early and Latter Rains. It is also true for babes who have just the Early Rain AND who remain faithful.

At the time Paul wrote his letters, most of the babes were remaining faithful. So what Paul said in the verses above applied to them. But after Paul's death and the coming of the spirit of anti-Christ, those verses no longer apply to babes because all babes will fall away and become unfaithful.

Below is where Paul teaches about babes who fall away:

Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and age-enduring judgment. 3 And this will we do, if God permit. 4 For it is impossible for those (babes) who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift (Early Rain), and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God (milk), and the powers of the world to come 6 if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance: seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Repentance from works and approaching Christ solely by faith is what keeps a babe under the grace of the New Covenant. When a babe mixes works with faith, they will fall from grace and will spiritually die.

This is what is being referred to here:

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Matthew chapter 24 is teaching on the pathway that all the Elect will travel to their salvation. Rev chapter 11 is another chapter that likewise teaches the pathway to salvation that all the Elect will travel. In both chapters, the Elect will be spiritually killed by the apostasy. Since the death of Paul, no babe has avoid being spiritually killed.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
16 Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
17 If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.

After a person receives the Early Rain, they become the temple of God. But after the Abomination of Desolation occurs within God's temple (the babe), the believer will fall from grace and will spiritually die.

After Christ returns to a fallen away babe and pours out the Latter Rain, the babe's spiritual blindness will be healed and they will then be able to "see" the Abomination of Desolation that previously occurred within them. Judgment will then follow to destroy the man of sin within them.

Mat 24:15 When (not if) ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: (because judgment is about to fall)

This is the same event as what this scripture below describes:

2Thes 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Romans 10:17
17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

Faith comes by hearing and a person's ability to hear comes by the Word of God (who is Christ) within them. This happens when a person receives the Early and Latter Rains.

Mat 13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

Hos 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he (Christ) shall come unto us as the Rain, as the Latter and Early Rain unto the earth.

Faith in Christ is a gift that comes from having the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. If a person does not have the Spirit, they will not be able to hear and have faith.

1Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 1:7
1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Paul was writing to the babes in Rome. They were called to be saints by the Early Rain. Since they had not received the Latter Rain and were not yet converted, they were not saints yet.

This is also true of Paul's letter to the Corinthian church:

1Cor 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ out Lord, both theirs and ours:

Here is where Paul writes to both groups (converted believers & unconverted babes):

Eph 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints (the converted) which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful (babes) in Christ Jesus:

And here:

Col 1:2 To the saints (converted) and faithful brethren (babes) in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

I think that is all of your verses.

Joe

 

[Dan Clarkston]

This happens when a person receives the Early and Latter Rains.

Don't forget to tell them about the Holy Umbrella

 

[GodsGrace]

Dear G______,

I noticed that you responded to me earlier this morning but I have not read it yet. I will try to respond to it (if necessary) later this morning.

Below is an additional response to my previous post that I wanted to make since you are having difficulty understanding the Early Rain.

The concept stated below applies to the Early and Latter Rains:

1Cor 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

This concept that Paul stated above applies to many things.

Here is a short list:

1). The natural (physical) body comes first, then comes the spiritual body. Paul was applying the concept in this way in 1Cor 15:42-45.

2). The Law that was written on tablets of stone is the natural and comes first, then comes the spiritual when Christ writes the Law in a person’s heart.

3). The Old Covenant of Law is the natural and comes first, then comes the New Covenant of Grace through Faith which is the spiritual.

4). Christ’s first coming is the natural and occurred when He entered Jerusalem on Palm Sunday, then comes the spiritual when Christ appears to those (Elect babes) who are waiting for Him.

5). The physical temple built with hands is the natural and comes first, then comes the spiritual temple that is built without hands. This temple is an individual believer who has the Holy Spirit indwelling them.

6). The carnal mind is the natural and comes first, then comes the spiritual; the mind of Christ.

7). The Early Rain comes first and is the natural, then comes the Latter Rain which is the spiritual.

Below is the point I wanted to make about the Early Rain as it relates to Paul’s conversion testimony and Christ’s first coming in the natural.

Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

This scripture was fulfilled in the natural when Christ entered Jerusalem on Palm Sunday. As the scripture says, He came “suddenly” to His temple. Christ’s natural coming also applies to the Early Rain. When Christ first comes to a person (an unbeliever), He appears to them “in the flesh” (2John 2:7/the natural) because the new babe in Christ will remain carnally minded and spiritually blind. This is how all new believers will experience the first coming of Christ.

Here is the portion of Paul’s testimony where Paul experienced Christ’s first coming in the flesh:

Acts 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly, there shined round about him a light from heaven: 4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecute thou me? 5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord?

Christ’s first coming to His temple occurs “suddenly”. In this case, Christ’s temple was Paul. Paul did not ask for Christ to come nor did Paul give Christ his permission to come. Christ just suddenly came to Paul and gave Paul a small measure of the Holy Spirit (the Early Rain).

At that time, Christ remained spiritually veiled from Paul. Paul could hear Christ’s voice but could not identify whose voice it was. Paul had to be told because he could not understand on his own. This is why babes in Christ need teachers and cannot learn for themselves directly from God’s Word.

Paul then became blind which represented Paul’s spiritual blindness. This means that Paul’s understanding of Christ was only in the natural. Paul could understand “Christ and Him crucified” (1Cor 2:14) because this portion of Christ’s ministry was performed under the Old Covenant (the natural). Since that was the only way that Paul could see Christ, Christ’s spiritual teachings would largely remain veiled from Paul’s understanding.

All new babes in Christ will experience Christ’s first coming in the same way that Paul did. They, too, will remain carnally minded and spiritually blind. They will be able to see “Christ” in the flesh and will be able to understand “Christ and Him crucified” but Christ’s spiritual teachings of the New Covenant (the spiritual) will largely be veiled from their understanding.

Because all new babes are spiritually blind and cannot understand Christ’s spiritual teachings, they have all fallen prey to Satan since Paul’s departing (his death). This is the apostasy that Paul said would be soon coming into the church (Acts 20:29-31).

The scripture below applies the how babes become apostate:

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts (converted believers who have both the Early and Latter Rains). 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language (spiritual language) will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them (babes who draw milk) precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken (by Satan).

Joe

You seem to have lost your train of thought.

 

[LoveYeshua]

What the OSAS greasy grace folks are saying is that it's OK to be DISOBEDIENT to the Lord and live in opposition to Him (walk after the flesh not after the Spirit) and still be in right standing with the Lord falsely claiming one does not die spiritually (become separated from the Lord) when they do sinful behavior.

This is the same message satan delivered to Adam and Eve that one can be disobedient and not die spiritually which is how we know the OSAS greasy grace folks are speaking in behalf of the devil in service to darkness and not to the Lord.

Once people know the truth they cannot go back, yes we can stumble sometimes but must persevere and continue, People who disobey willingly and knowingly and do not repent will not inherit eternal life this is certain. people who think they can simply believe Jesus is Christ and keep being part of this world and continue to sin will not make it I am sorry to say.

The worse thing is if these people who do not obey God put the same effort that they do to contradict scripture daily and put this energy to do good around them they would be saved. Well God said that he puts a choice before us, we all have free will.

Many here forget that is it by the words of Christ that we all shall be judged. instead of following Christ who showed us the way they follow another. Some people have no discernment, it is very unfortunate.

Blessings Dan.

 

[PS95]

Do persons that give everything away lack love?
Even atheists that give things away have love.

YOU can't see the heart, grace. Apparently, Paul believed it is possible. You are not arguing with me!
and yes, I do know people who gave $5000 to the RCC out of guilt and wanting to be saved. They said it.

I'm arguing with scripture?
And what did I state that does not agree with scripture?

Pretty much anytime I mention love is necessary.. Look at this post alone. lol

I don't really understand WHY you're even replying.

You're such a pleasure to chat with.

WHERE in the NT does it state that good works need to come from love?

AGAIN- 1 Cor 13. Is giving away to the poor not a good work? It needs to be done in love. Why do you argue this?

I remember Jesus saying that we are to ACT ON HIS WORDS.....
If you could post some verses I'd appreciate it.

Oh brother.. why do you dismiss what I have given you?

It seem apparent that if we do good works, we do them out of love.

Nope. Youre wrong. Plenty do good works to gain something or so they think.

You're not the only member on the Forum PS.
I get plenty of push-back.

Could be because you are very rigid and a little rude.

Again,, which scripture do you believe I'm arguing with?

sigh 1 Cor 13

You don't believe that a person is saved forever NO MATTER HOW THEY LIVE OR WHAT THEY DO once they're saved?
If so,,,kuddos to you because the NT does not teach OSAS.

Ya think?

Not going back to see how or why I mentioned it.


What do YOU think I don't think is important?


How could it be?
You don't understand anything that has been said.

Nice... do you ever stop being nasty? Now I'm just too sensitive? lol. You are rude.
How am I supposed to know what you are even talking about? I can't keep track with responses like those. Sorry.

Again,,,please provide the scripture you believe I do not agree with.
Thanks.

1 Cor 13.
You have a problem with me because I tell you that FAITH and WORKS take a back seat to LOVE.
Yet that is what Paul said. We can have ALL FAITH- ALL KNOWLEGDE- ALL spiritual GIFTS- GOOD WORKS-
without LOVE they mean NOTHING.

You will say you knew that? Then why did you disagree with me and tell me only faith matters? it's not true.
FAITH MUST WORK THRU LOVE.

 

[LoveYeshua]

when you say Kingdom , to what do you Specified as the Kingdom ?

Jesus called it the "Kingdom of Heaven" so that one.

 

[amigo de christo]

when you say Kingdom , to what do you Specified as the Kingdom ?

not what the JWS call kingdom hall . that is for sure and its very for certain .
My kingdom is THIS ones KINGDOM who once said
MY KINGDOM is not of this world . THAT BE JESUS . HIS KINGDOM .
we better all watch out and be on guard
cause knowing man as i do and what is in the heart of man , MAN CANNOT BE TRUSTED
BUT GOD CAN , JESUS CAN , HIS WORDS sure can .

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus called the "Kingdom of Heaven" so that one.

You bet my friend . Our kingdom is not of this world . We seek a heavenly country .
Got no mind to return to our old earthly one either .
Now to the trenches my friend . The hour is very very late now . Cling to CHRIST and let
all who name the name OF CHRIST depart from inquity .
And have naught to do with those who have done all to recreate what they THINK is THE KINGDOM of GOD .
its address IS EARTH . ours IS IN HEAVEN . wish more folks would hurry up and learn what that means too .

 

[amigo de christo]

The above short dissertation on the character of God is the most unmitigated disastrous piece of pagan mythology ever to cross the internet and find its way into this forum. It's blasphemy, and you are committing the exact same sin as Adam, blaming your sin on God. What have you done Adam? Oh nothing, this woman you gave to me, she made me do it. Classic denial of responsibility.

didnt look good at all what that other wrote did it . I suggest trench time to all .

 

[LoveYeshua]

You bet my friend . Our kingdom is not of this world . We seek a heavenly country .
Got no mind to return to our old earthly one either .
Now to the trenches my friend . The hour is very very late now . Cling to CHRIST and let
all who name the name OF CHRIST depart from inquity .
And have naught to do with those who have done all to recreate what they THINK is THE KINGDOM of GOD .
its address IS EARTH . ours IS IN HEAVEN . wish more folks would hurry up and learn what that means too .

yes Amigo in heaven, signing off , good night, tomorrow is another day.

 

[Brakelite]

A Catholic once explained to me that they believe prayers can be more readily accepted by God through the intercession of Mary.

As if Jesus died for us but won't listen to us when we need help? Aside from the necromancy of course, Catholics who prefer to approach Mary target than Jesus are practising the very nature of Antichrist... Instead of Christ, or in room of Christ. That's the meaning of anti in the context.

Okay, I re-read your original post again and I stand by my comments that the verse is teaching about conversion.

Hardly surprising after reading some of your other posts. You are plucking doctrines from the bottom of your corn flakes box. According to you... God intended mankind to sin all along, He then arbitrarily chose a few to be saved and the rest to remain in their sin offending God and blaspheming all of heaven and hurting, killing, raping, abusing and belittling their fellow man who were made in God's image just so He could judge them, but after that gives them faith to believe so that everyone will be saved in the end.

You said "Jesus could certainly be correct literally" but this cannot be true. Not all people who literally use a sword or violence will perish by the sword or violence.

No, that isn't all I said. Read the post again. I don't think I was being obtuse. It's clear what I was saying. And it was in context to the situation and predicament the apostles and Jesus were in. The sword was a metaphor for all violence and hatred and killing. Of course, you don't want to hear that because you believe God uses violence and hatred and killing just for fun, even forcing men to do so against their will.

 

[Brakelite]

didnt look good at all what that other wrote did it . I suggest trench time to all .

Nope. And combined with some of the other things he says makes me wonder at the source of all his misinformation. Nevertheless, He clearly has a heart for God, despite his misunderstanding, and may yet lead some to Christ, with the hope they will find their way into truth.

 

[Marvelloustime]

You bet my friend . Our kingdom is not of this world . We seek a heavenly country .
Got no mind to return to our old earthly one either .
Now to the trenches my friend . The hour is very very late now . Cling to CHRIST and let
all who name the name OF CHRIST depart from inquity .
And have naught to do with those who have done all to recreate what they THINK is THE KINGDOM of GOD .
its address IS EARTH . ours IS IN HEAVEN . wish more folks would hurry up and learn what that means too .

@amigo de christo

 

[LoveYeshua]

Nope. And combined with some of the other things he says makes me wonder at the source of all his misinformation. Nevertheless, He clearly has a heart for God, despite his misunderstanding, and may yet lead some to Christ, with the hope they will find their way into truth.

His misunderstandings are too severe to lead anyone to Christ, more than half of what he writes is false. the bible is closed to him.

 

[GodsGrace]

YOU can't see the heart, grace. Apparently, Paul believed it is possible. You are not arguing with me!
and yes, I do know people who gave $5000 to the RCC out of guilt and wanting to be saved. They said it.

Pretty much anytime I mention love is necessary.. Look at this post alone. lol

You're such a pleasure to chat with.

AGAIN- 1 Cor 13. Is giving away to the poor not a good work? It needs to be done in love. Why do you argue this?

Oh brother.. why do you dismiss what I have given you?

Nope. Youre wrong. Plenty do good works to gain something or so they think.

Could be because you are very rigid and a little rude.

sigh 1 Cor 13

Ya think?

Nice... do you ever stop being nasty? Now I'm just too sensitive? lol. You are rude.
How am I supposed to know what you are even talking about? I can't keep track with responses like those. Sorry.

1 Cor 13.
You have a problem with me because I tell you that FAITH and WORKS take a back seat to LOVE.
Yet that is what Paul said. We can have ALL FAITH- ALL KNOWLEGDE- ALL spiritual GIFTS- GOOD WORKS-
without LOVE they mean NOTHING.

You will say you knew that? Then why did you disagree with me and tell me only faith matters? it's not true.
FAITH MUST WORK THRU LOVE.

1 Cor 13 is YOUR verse.
I wanted to know what verse I posted that you did not agree.

But no matter,,,
there seems to be a communication gap here so better to end this conversation.

You say that Faith and §Works take a back seat to love.
I said that even atheists can do works out of love.
Are they saved?
No.

Because without faith we will not be saved.
Now you say faith must work through love.
I don't know any Christian that does not agree with this.

That's it for me.