70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

[TribulationSigns]

Some are. His atonement is still a hard-earned reality
Some did believe in him and eat the fruit of his atonement, and the Lord calls them people his own. They blessed us with NT scriptures.

What Douggg fail to understand this mystery:

Rom 11:25-27
(25) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
(26) And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
(27) For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

The “blindness in part” refers to the spiritual blindness that affected most Israelite Jews during the New Testament period (as a judgment for reject the Messiah the Prince), while the remainder were not blind and were able to receive the Gospel and be saved alongside the Gentiles. This represents the Great Commission of the Church, which includes both Jews and Gentiles are able to be saved by hearing the Gospel. Once all the Gentile believers are secured, “and so” all Israel shall be saved. Importantly, this does not refer to the physical nation of Israel as a whole, but to covenant Israel—those with whom the Lord established His covenant with!

But Douggg believe there will be future separate salvation plan for Jews of modern national Israel so they will have the opportunity after the church so he develop many charts with a 7 year plan for it with all the 15 literal time frames within it.

Sad.

 

[Douggg]

But Douggg believe there will be future separate salvation plan for Jews of modern national Israel so they will have the opportunity after the church so he develop many charts with a 7 year plan for it with all the 15 literal time frames within it.

In the middle of the seven years,when Satan and his angels will be cast down to earth (Revelation 12:7-9) in Revelation 12:10, the Jews en-masse will turn to Jesus and the gospel of Salvation....

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

 

[TribulationSigns]

In the middle of the seven years,when Satan and his angels will be cast down to earth (Revelation 12:7-9) in Revelation 12:10, the Jews en-masse will turn to Jesus and the gospel of Salvation....

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Huh?

So according to you, the Kingdom of God just magically appears halfway through your imaginary 7-year timeline in the future? And that’s when salvation finally shows up—for the nation of Israel in the Middle East? Seriously? Right when your “beast king” start ruling their Jewish temple? And when your two literal men as two witnesses will be killed?!

So I guess the cross meant nothing, and Christ still hasn’t received His Kingdom yet? And the church went forth preaching Gospel without a kingdom represenation?!

Wow. That’s not just bad theology—that’s a full-blown train wreck of doctrine. You’ve twisted Scripture so hard it’s unrecognizable.

 

[Douggg]

So according to you, the Kingdom of God just magically appears halfway through your imaginary 7-year timeline in the future? And that’s when salvation finally shows up—for the nation of Israel in the Middle East? Seriously? Right when your “beast king” start ruling their Jewish temple? And when your two literal men as two witnesses will be killed?!

No, according to your twisting and false statements about what I wrote.

Provide your time line chart of the 15 time of the end time frames.

 

[TribulationSigns]

No, according to your twisting and false statements about what I wrote.

LOL! How? Show me!

Provide your time line chart of the 15 time of the end time frames.

What did I tell you before about this. Having a short memory problem or something?

Did you do your homework on who is the Old Testament congregation refers to??

 

[Douggg]

What did I tell you before about this. Having a short memory problem or something?

If i recall correctly, you said that you were going to make your own web site, where you would display your time line charts.

1. has it been done yet ?

2. why not post a link to it at the bottom of all your posts here ?

Did you do your homework on who is the Old Testament congregation refers to??

That's your created phrase, not a bible one. Explain what you mean by it.

 

[Davy]

Why do you say that Jesus did not fulfill the 70th week of the prophecy?

Why do you think you were born as the person you are? That's just as valid a question than the one you're asking, since what you are asking about the 70th week being part of Christ's Ministry is nowhere written.

 

[CTK]

Why do you think you were born as the person you are? That's just as valid a question than the one you're asking, since what you are asking about the 70th week being part of Christ's Ministry is nowhere written.

Would you mind answering the question please?

 

[TribulationSigns]

If i recall correctly, you said that you were going to make your own web site, where you would display your time line charts.

Correct.

1. has it been done yet ?

Nope.

2. why not post a link to it at the bottom of all your posts here ?

Nope.

That's your created phrase, not a bible one. Explain what you mean by it.

I didn’t invent the phrase — it existed long before I was even born. It’s been used by countless pastors and teachers throughout the history of the Church. Go ahead, look it up on Google.

You’re just being childish here because you know perfectly well what I’m talking about. I’ve explained who the Old Testament congregation is on this forum multiple times, yet here you are, pretending ignorance simply because you can't resist or gainsay my doctrine here.

Like I said, it’s time for you to grow up.

 

[Davy]

Daniel declared, "Seventy weeks are determined".

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Nope! Nothing written in the Book of Daniel, nor any other Book of The Bible, to show that the events of the Daniel 9:27 verse were fulfilled by Jesus Christ's Ministry.

The 70th "one week" of Daniel 9:27 is still YET... to be fulfilled to this day, and is set only for the very END of this present world.


BRETHREN IN CHRIST:
Those who keep trying to fight for that false Jew deception of Jesus having fulfilled the 70th week of Daniel are simply like political campaign followers. They don't actually know what all the political campaign is really about, but they are ready to go to 'war' to fight for it, which is not about following the truth, but only about following a principle from men.

 

[covenantee]

Nope! Nothing written in the Book of Daniel, nor any other Book of The Bible, to show that the events of the Daniel 9:27 verse were fulfilled by Jesus Christ's Ministry.

The 70th "one week" of Daniel 9:27 is still YET... to be fulfilled to this day, and is set only for the very END of this present world.


BRETHREN IN CHRIST:
Those who keep trying to fight for that false Jew deception of Jesus having fulfilled the 70th week of Daniel are simply like political campaign followers. They don't actually know what all the political campaign is really about, but they are ready to go to 'war' to fight for it, which is not about following the truth, but only about following a principle from men.

Pure stupidity and nothing but.

Another one who doesn't understand the meaning of "determined".

Another one who denies the Covenant and the Blood of Christ.

Serious business.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Nope! The 70th week of the Daniel 9 seventy weeks prophecy is STILL yet to be fulfilled.

This claim is every bit as ridiculous as the claim that there are two sets of 70 weeks. How can you not recognize that the six things in Daniel 9:24 that were given a 70 week time period to be fulfilled are not already fulfilled? When else was reconciliation for iniquity made except by Christ on the cross long ago? When else was the end of sins made and transgression finished except when Jesus came to take away the sins of the world by His sacrifice long ago when He said "It is finished"?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Pure stupidity and nothing but.

Another one who doesn't understand the meaning of "determined".

Another one who denies the Covenant and the Blood of Christ.

Serious business.

Agree 100%. The text itself DEMANDS that the 70 weeks all be consecutive with no gaps. Otherwise, it can't be said that 70 weeks (490 years) were determined, but instead that at least 2,500 or so years were determined to fulfill the prophecy.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Nope! The 70th week of the Daniel 9 seventy weeks prophecy is STILL yet to be fulfilled. That specifically is what the events of the Daniel 9:27 verse are about, which Lord Jesus NEVER did. Those events of that verse are about the coming Antichrist at the end of this world.

There's no worse interpretation of scripture than the dispensationalist interpretation of Daniel 9:27 that you have. Applying a verse that refers to Christ confirming the new covenant while making the old covenant sacrifices and offerings obsolete to an imaginary Antichrist instead is just utterly shameful.

 

[Davy]

160AD Clement of Alexandria (On Daniel 9:24-27 ; The 'Seventy Weeks' of Daniel)

From the captivity at Babylon, which took place in the time of Jeremiah the prophet, was fulfilled what was spoken by Daniel the prophet as follows: "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people, and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to seal sins, and to wipe out and make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal the vision and the prophet, and to anoint the Holy of Holies."

Don't be deceived brethren, covenantee is only quoting the Daniel 9:24 verse in italics as written. That is NOT a direct quote by Clement.

Here is the gist of the matter involving 'certain' of the early Church fathers like Barnabas, Clement, and Origen, Tertullian, and those who believed at the 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem, the final 70th week of the Daniel 9:24 prophecy was completed. They all believed that.

And NOTE that I said they believed the 70th week was COMPLETED IN 70 A.D.

Did Jesus live to 70 A.D. when the 2nd temple and Jerusalem was destroyed by the Roman army? NOPE!

So HOW could that 70 A.D. event have been part of Christ's Ministry?? It wasn't, and those early Church fathers never said the 70th week was part of Christ's Ministry!!!


Here is what Barnabus said about the 70th week:

“For it is written, ‘And it shall come to pass, when the week is completed, the temple of God shall be built. . . in the name of the Lord.’ I find. . . that a temple does exist. Having received the forgiveness of sin. . . in our habitation God dwells in us. . . This is the spiritual temple built for the Lord.” (Epistle of Barnabas, 16:6)​

Clement of Alexandria likewise believed that the events of Christ's Olivet discourse were fulfilled with the 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem and the Jew's temple. That represented to him the dawn of the early Church as the spiritual temple idea. He never said that took place during Christ's Ministry.

Same thing with Origen of Alexandria (who was excommunicated by the way because of his creating allegories out of literal Biblical events. Clement did much of the same with creating allegories out of literally meant Bible Scripture, so those two really are not totally reliable as Biblical interpreters, having been influenced by the paganism surrounding the Alexandria, Egypt school in their day.) Origen also believed that 70 A.D. marked the end of the Jewish Age and the fulfillment of the 70 weeks prophecy.

Tertullian, same thing:
He believed the 70th week of Daniel was fulfilled in 70 A.D. (Note: Vespasian was emperor of Rome from 69-79 A.D., not... during Christ's Ministry).

“Vespasian vanquished the Jews. . . and so by the date of his storming Jerusalem, the Jews had completed the seventy weeks foretold by Daniel” (AAJ, VII; CID).​

What about Hippolytus and Irenaeus?

covenantee must be getting his information about Hippolytus from a website that wrongly believes Jesus fulfilled the 70th week, because Hippolytus DID NOT BELIEVE THAT. As a matter of fact, Hippolytus and Irenaeus were the ONLY early Church fathers that still believed in a yet unfulfilled final 70th week of the Daniel 9:24 prophecy.

Thus the PREVAILING VIEW of the HISTORY OF CHRIST'S CHURCH is that the 70th "one week" of Daniel 9:27 was fulfilled in 70 A.D., NOT by Jesus back during His Ministry.

 

[covenantee]

Don't be deceived brethren, covenantee is only quoting the Daniel 9:24 verse in italics as written. That is NOT a direct quote by Clement.

I thought I'd seen the epitome of stupidity, but I was wrong.

"From the captivity at Babylon, which took place in the time of Jeremiah the prophet, was fulfilled what was spoken by Daniel the prophet as follows:"

That is a direct quote of Clement, in which he then quotes Daniel.

But Clement dared to use the word "fulfilled", which along with "determined", is anathema to your hallucinations.

Keep that insanity coming.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I thought I'd seen the epitome of stupidity, but I was wrong.

"From the captivity at Babylon, which took place in the time of Jeremiah the prophet, was fulfilled what was spoken by Daniel the prophet as follows:"

That is a direct quote of Clement, in which he then quotes Daniel.

But Clement dared to use the word "fulfilled", which along with "determined", is anathema to your hallucinations.

Keep that insanity coming.

This guy never ceases to make a fool of himself. He is not well.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The first fact you need to recognize is that the 70th week is determined along with the other 69.

As Daniel declared, "Seventy weeks are determined".

Right. Dispies read it as if it says 69 weeks are determined, but the 70th week is undetermined. It's just an absolutely blatant twisting of the text. Their intellectual dishonesty with the text makes me nauseous. Terrible.

 

[covenantee]

Right. Dispies read it as if it says 69 weeks are determined, but the 70th week is undetermined. It's just an absolutely blatant twisting of the text. Their intellectual dishonesty with the text makes me nauseous. Terrible.

Absolutely, bro.

Scripture describes the abomination of desolation.

Dispensationalism represents an abomination of desecration.

 

[Davy]

The FALSE idea that Jesus fulfilled the Daniel 9:27 final 70th "one week" is an idea from the FALSE JEWS of the "synagogue of Satan". It should be obvious that is who planted that idea among cult groups like SDA, etc. The early Church fathers never... stated that false idea. Instead, mostly all the early Church fathers (except for Hippolytus and Irenaeus) believed the final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 was fulfilled in 70 A.D. with the destruction of Jerusalem and the 2nd temple by the Roman army. Hippolytus and Irenaeus instead believed the final 70th "one week" was still unfulfilled, and would only be fulfilled at the end of the Gospel Age.

Hippolytus, Preface on Daniel, section II, no. 21 & 22:

21. "For this reason, then, the angel says to Daniel, "Seal the words, for the vision is until the end of the time." But to Christ it was not said "seal," but "loose" the things bound of old; in order that, by His grace, we might know the will of the Father, and believe upon Him whom He has sent for the salvation of men, Jesus our Lord. He says, therefore, "They shall return, and the street shall be built, and the wall;" which in reality took place. For the people returned and built the city, and the temple, and the wall round about. Then he says: "After threescore and two weeks the times will be fulfilled, and one week will make a covenant with many; and in the midst (half) of the week sacrifice and oblation will be removed, and in the temple will be the abomination of desolations."​

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22. For when the threescore and two weeks are fulfilled, and Christ is come, and the Gospel is preached in every place, the times being then accomplished, there will remain only one week, the last, in which Elias will appear, and Enoch, and in the midst of it the abomination of desolation will be manifested, viz., Antichrist, announcing desolation to the world. And when he comes, the sacrifice and oblation will be removed, which now are offered to God in every place by the nations. These things being thus recounted, the prophet again describes another vision to us. For he had no other care save to be accurately instructed in all things that are to be, and to prove himself an instructor in such."​

Thus the early Church father Hippolytus, bishop of Rome, believed the final 70th "one week" of Daniel 9:27 would be fulfilled at the END of this present world, and not back in 70 A.D., nor during Christ's Ministry.