This is the Torah of the Sin Offering

[amigo de christo]

What I notice about both of you is that you enter this thread with accusation guns blasting but apparently neither of you understand what has been presented or is capable of actually engaging with what has been presented.

Amigo, I ask the same of you as I asked of your friend: please explain the Testimony of the Master in the Mark 9 passage quoted twice now in this thread. Please show your love for the Father and His Word, His Son, and likewise show me wrong with your massive amount of study done in this passage alone so as to know the full truth it presents to those who love the Meshiah and walk in his Testimony.

If you wanna present it , leave out all of the nouns , verbs and other stuff .
Just say real plainly what it is YOU BELIEVE it to mean .
I can easily sum up anything anyone asks me in a few short lines .
IT aint hard to do . TELL me what this means TO YOU .

 

[dak]

If you wanna present it , leave out all of the nouns , verbs and other stuff .
Just say real plainly what it is YOU BELIEVE it to mean .
I can easily sum up anything anyone asks me in a few short lines .
IT aint hard to do . TELL me what this means TO YOU .

Since I have already explained nearly all of my position concerning the matter in first several posts on the first page, and since you are currently refusing to do what I asked of you in the post you have quoted, how about this: please explain the following statement from Paul in Rom 7:25.

Romans 7:24-25 KJV
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Verse 25 contains a rather obvious ellipsis:
"I myself serve" (in text) --> I myself serve or I serve, (strongly implied by ellipsis).

KJV with the ellipsis:
So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh I serve the law of sin.

Before you answer: know that it would surely be heretical to claim that Paul, with his flesh, served any kind of a "law of sin" in his members, which would be the evil inclination, especially according to what is generally rendered in erroneous translations of the immediately preceding verses in the text. That understanding consists of a well known early Gnostic teaching.

Take your time: I will not be holding my breath in anticipation.

 

[amigo de christo]

Since I have already explained nearly all of my position concerning the matter in first several posts on the first page, and since you are currently refusing to do what I asked of you in the post you have quoted, how about this: please explain the following statement from Paul in Rom 7:25.

Romans 7:24-25 KJV
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Verse 25 contains a rather obvious ellipsis:
"I myself serve" (in text) --> I myself serve or I serve, (strongly implied by ellipsis).

KJV with the ellipsis:
So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh I serve the law of sin.

Before you answer: know that it would surely be heretical to claim that Paul, with his flesh, served any kind of a "law of sin" in his members, which would be the evil inclination, especially according to what is generally rendered in erroneous translations of the immediately preceding verses in the text. That understanding consists of a well known early Gnostic teaching.

Take your time: I will not be holding my breath in anticipation.

That simple my friend .
thanks for asking .
Evil is present with all of us .
Before i was drawn to the LORD i used to love my sins .
now watch closely my friend .
AFter coming to the LORD when my flesh POPS a lustful thought into my mind
Cause that is what the FLESH DOES , at the same time an alarm bell rings FROM THE SPIRIT .
example .
USED TOBE i had NO PROB LEMS looking at women in very procative clothing , or lack thereof .
NOW when i see such a woman approaching , YOu darn right a lustful look at that pops into my mind
BUT SO DOES the DONT LOOK , LOOK away . OH YES evil is present with us my friend .
THE FLESH is still the flesh . ITS Not like I desire such thoughts to NOW pop in my mind , BUT THEY can and will .
BUT WE DO have the POWER TO SILENCE such thoughts . and we better DARN SURE HEED THE SPIRIT
because the sin that sins can easily lead us TO SIN if we do NOT shut it down .
Any one who says THEY ARE NOT TEMPTED is a liar . HOWEVER anyone who says ITS NOT SIN if we lust upon it
IS ALSO A LIAR . the sin that is within us , THE LUSTS
they are not our master . JESUS IS . and by HIM WE CAN SHUT THEM DOWN .
Never let a man tell you otherwise .

 

[dak]

That simple my friend .
thanks for asking .
Evil is present with all of us .
Before i was drawn to the LORD i used to love my sins .
now watch closely my friend .
AFter coming to the LORD when my flesh POPS a lustful thought into my mind
Cause that is what the FLESH DOES , at the same time an alarm bell rings FROM THE SPIRIT .
example .
USED TOBE i had NO PROB LEMS looking at women in very procative clothing , or lack thereof .
NOW when i see such a woman approaching , YOu darn right a lustful look at that pops into my mind
BUT SO DOES the DONT LOOK , LOOK away . OH YES evil is present with us my friend .
THE FLESH is still the flesh . ITS Not like I desire such thoughts to NOW pop in my mind , BUT THEY can and will .
BUT WE DO have the POWER TO SILENCE such thoughts . and we better DARN SURE HEED THE SPIRIT
because the sin that sins can easily lead us TO SIN if we do NOT shut it down .
Any one who says THEY ARE NOT TEMPTED is a liar . HOWEVER anyone who says ITS NOT SIN if we lust upon it
IS ALSO A LIAR . the sin that is within us , THE LUSTS
they are not our master . JESUS IS . and by HIM WE CAN SHUT THEM DOWN .
Never let a man tell you otherwise .

That's really no different than what I have also taught in the several OP posts but apparently you are not able to see it. The sacrifice you make now, whenever you see a woman or women "in very provocative clothing, or lack thereof", and you are prompted to look away, that is fulfilling part of the Torah sin offering, you are doing according to the Testimony of the Master in the Gospel accounts, walking according to his Testimony. That is indeed a sacrificial offering and a service you are fulfilling, which is pleasing to the Father, cutting off the evil eye always wandering off the path at things which cause you to stumble.

Paul of course teaches the same: that we present our bodies as living sacrifices, holy and acceptable unto Elohim, which is our reasonable service. And how and why is it our reasonable service? We are sold under sin, (Rom 7:14) but who purchased us? Surely you know! And therefore we are indeed debtors, but not to the flesh, to live after the flesh: for if we live according to the flesh we shall surely die: but if we through the Spirit, (Testimony of the Master, which is Spirit, John 6:63), do mortify or put to death the works-deeds of the body, we shall live, (Rom 8:12-13).

How therefore is it that you do not see that this is what is being taught in the opening posts? The Torah actually teaches these things but you do not see it for not understanding that the Master has corrected the false interpretations of the Chief Priests, Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes, Elders, Sanhedrin, and thereby has filled to the full the Torah and has renewed it to its original meanings, doctrines, and instructions from our loving Father.

Again, the Torah is spiritual, Rom 7:14a, no ifs, ands, or buts, no stipulations, qualifications, caveats, or special conditions attached: it is a plain bold emphatic statement, "We know that the Torah is spiritual". One either fully believes Paul or instead makes excuses for not taking seriously what he plainly states about the Torah.

Animal sacrifices were never intended in the Torah.
The natural and carnal mind cannot understand the spiritual Torah:

Isaiah 1:10-15 KJV
10 Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.
11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

Animal sacrifices incur bloodguilt for the same reason already explained to your friend in Reply#6

 

[dak]

Continued from Post #3-4

Leviticus 6:24-30
[24] And YHWH spoke to Mosheh, saying,
[25] Speak to Ahron and to his sons, saying, This is the torah of the sin offering: in the place where the ascending offering is offered, the sin offering shall be slaughtered before YHWH: it is holy holiest.
[26] The Kohen who purges it shall consume it: it shall be consumed in the holy place, in the court of the Ohel Moed.
[27] Anything touching the flesh thereof shall be holy: and when its blood is sprinkled on the garment, that upon which it is sprinkled shall be washed in the holy place.
[28] And the earthen vessel wherein it is cooked shall be broken: and lo, it has been roasted in a vessel of brass, and it shall be polished and rinsed in water.
[29] Any male among the Kohanim may consume it: it is holy holiest.
[30] And no sin offering whose blood is brought into the Ohel Moed to make a cleansing in the holy things shall be eaten: it is saraph-cremated with fire.

So I brought my sacrifice for a sin offering to the side of the altar of adamah northward, that is, my foot always running swiftly into mischief in the marketplace, (Pro 6:18), taking me off the beaten path down the liquor isle to buy strong drink. And I offered an ascending prayer offering, and I took the machaira-sword of spiritual warfare which the Master had given to me, (Mat 10:34-36), and I cut off the wayward foot on the north side of the altar.

And I brought it before HE WHO WAS AND WHO IS, to the Door of the Ohel Moed, and behold, a certain one of the holy Kohanim Malakim appeared, and his appearance was as it were the appearance of polished brass, and in his hand was a staff. And he said to me, Set your flesh and matzot upon the Sela, and pour out the libation thereon. And thus I did, and the Malak put forth the end of his staff and touched the flesh and the matzot with the end of his staff: and holy fire ascended out of the Tzur and consumed the flesh and the matzot, and the Malak ascended with the smoke out of sight.
And I heard the voice of Wisdom and Reason, saying, If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body: sow unto the Spirit, for the one sowing unto his own flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption, but the one sowing unto the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life eternal. So I took the rod of iron which the Master had given to me, the Spirit of the Torah, and according to the commandment I smote the earthen vessel wherein the flesh was cremated, and the earthen vessel shattered as the vessel of a potter, and behold, there was within it a second vessel, as it were brass, and I polished the foot and rinsed it in the water of the Word. And the power of the earthen vessel of the wayward foot was broken: for my lips have not again tasted beer, nor wine, nor strong drink, nor any liquor since the summer vintage of 2008.

I thank the Father for His Testimony the Testimony of His Son: so then, with the mind I serve the Torah of Elohim, but with the flesh the torah-instruction concerning the sin offering. People may think I am crazy walking this narrow path: but no more am I a drunkard of Ephraim.

 

[dak]

Jeremiah 7:21-32
[21] Thus says YHWH Tzabaoth, Elohei Yisrael, Sweep away your burnt-offerings with your sacrifices, and consume good news:
[22] For I spoke not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Mitzraim, concerning burnt-offerings and sacrifices.
[23] But this thing I commanded them, saying, Hearken to My voice, and I will be your Elohim, and you shall be My people: and walk in all the way that I command you, that it may be well with you.
[24] But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in their own counsels and in the stubbornness of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.
[25] Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Mitzraim unto this day, I have sent unto you all My servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them:
[26] Yet they hearkened not unto Me, nor inclined their ear, but made their neck stiff: they did worse than their fathers.
[27] And you shall speak all these words unto them, but they will not hearken to you: and you shall call out unto them, but they will not answer you.
[28] And you shall say unto them, This is the nation that has not intelligently-hearkened unto the voice of YHWH their Elohim, nor received instruction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth.
[29] Cut off your hair, and cast it away, and take up a lamentation on the barren hills: for YHWH has rejected and forsaken the generation of His wrath.
[30] For the sons of Yhudah have done that which is evil in My sight, says YHWH, they have set their abominations in the house which is called by My name, to defile it.
[31] And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire: which I commanded not, neither did it enter into My mind.
[32] Therefore, behold, the days come, says YHWH, that it shall no more be called Tophet, nor The valley of the son of Hinnom, [Gei·ben·Hinnom (Gei·Hinnom, Gehenna)] but The valley of the having been Cut Off: [Gei·Ha·Haregah (harag)] for they shall bury in Tophet until there be no place to bury.

Harag - Haregah

Zechariah 11:4-17
[04] Thus says YHWH my Elohim: Tend the flock of the Cut Off, [haregah]
[05] Whose buyers cut them off [harag] and hold themselves not guilty, and their sellers say, Blessed be YHWH, I am rich, and their shepherds have no pity on them.
[06] For I will no longer have pity on the dwellers of the land, an oracle of YHWH, and behold, I will deliver a man, each one into the hand of his neighbor, and into the hand of his king, and they will smite the land, and I will not deliver out of their hand.
[07] And I will tend the flock that is cut off, even you, O afflicted of the flock. And I took two staffs to myself, the one I called Pleasantness, and the other I called Bands, and I tended the flock.
[08] And I cut off the three shepherds in one month: and my soul was grieved with them, and likewise their soul despised me,
[09] And I said, I will not feed you: that which is dying, let die: and that which is to be cut off, let it be cut off: and let the remnant consume each one the flesh of its neighbor.
[10] And I took my staff, Pleasantness, and cut it asunder, to void my covenant which I had cut with all the peoples.
[11] And it was broken in that day, and thus the afflicted of the flock who were heeding me knew that it is the Word of YHWH.
[12] And I said to them, If it is good in your eyes, give me my hire: and if not, forbear, and they weighed out my hire: thirty pieces of silver.
[13] And YHWH said to me, Cast it to the potter, the goodly price that I have been prized at by them, and I took the thirty pieces of silver and cast them into the house of YHWH unto the potter.
[14] And I cut asunder my second staff, Bands, to break the unity between Yhudah and Yisrael.
[15] And YHWH said to me, Take yet again to yourself the instruments of a foolish shepherd:
[16] For behold, I will raise up a shepherd in the land who will not respect those that are cut off, neither will he seek out the young-wanderer, nor heal that which is broken, nor maintain that which is sound: but the flesh of the fat he will consume, and their hooves he will break into pieces.
[17] Woe to the worthless-idol shepherd who abandons the flock! A sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be utterly dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened!

Matthew 6:22-23
22 The lamp of the body is the eye: if therefore your eye be single, your whole body shall be full of light.
23 But if your eye be evil, your whole body shall be full of darkness: if therefore the light that is in you be darkness, how great is the darkness!

Sin and evil are personified: right arm, right hand, right eye, and there are evil shepherds over the members of a household which are themselves ruled by a worthless-idol shepherd who mistreats the members of his own body-temple household. We are admonished to cut them off because they are in turn cutting off the poor and afflicted of the little flock, (if there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body), and concerning the little flock, or "these little ones", the Master is their Avenger, (Mat 18:6-15, 1Thes 4:1-9).

 

[dak]

I have tried to highlight the most important key phrases which link all of the following passages together. They are one cohesive teaching concerning the members of the body, both the physical and the little ones, (the supernal and metaphorical counterparts, and there are more passages concerning these things). Paul says that Meshiah is the Savior of the body, (Eph 5:23), which is firstly the great congregation body, and also, secondly, the individual body of each of us: but which body? If there is a natural body, there is a spiritual body, (1Cor 15:44), and the flesh profits nothing in the Spirit-Testimony of the Meshiah, (Jhn 6:63). Moreover, as Paul likewise teaches, we are to mortify or put to death both the deeds or works of the body, (Rom 8:13), and mortify or put to death our members upon the earth, (Col 3:5, epi meaning concerning, of below, concerning the earth, that which is of below). The following is really only scratching the surface, and yet it still cannot possibly all sink in with a simple cursory reading: it must be studied out prayerfully and with an open heart.

Matthew 5:29-30 LSV
29 But if your right eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and cast from you, for it is good to you that one of your members may perish, and not your whole body be cast into Gehenna.
30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off, and cast from you, for it is good to you that one of your members may perish, and not your whole body be cast into Gehenna.

Matthew 10:34-42 LSV
34 You may not suppose that I came to put peace on the earth; I did not come to put peace, but a sword; [machaira]
35 for I came to set a man at variance against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, [Mic 7:5, Deut 13:6]
36 and the enemies of a man are those of his household. [Mic 7:6, Deut 13:6]
37 He who is cherishing father or mother above Me, is not worthy of Me, and he who is cherishing son or daughter above Me, is not worthy of Me,
38 and whoever does not receive his cross and follow after Me, is not worthy of Me.
39 He who found his life will lose it, and he who lost his life for My sake will find it.
40 He who is receiving you receives Me, and he who is receiving Me receives Him who sent Me,
41 he who is receiving a prophet in the name of a prophet, will receive a prophet’s reward, and he who is receiving a righteous man in the name of a righteous man, will receive a righteous man’s reward,
42 and whoever may give to drink to one of these little ones [Mat 18:6-14, Mrk 9:42, Luk 17:2] a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, truly I say to you, he may not lose his reward." [Mrk 9:41]

Matthew 18:6-14 LSV
5 And he who may receive one such child in My Name, receives Me,
6 and whoever may cause to stumble one of those little ones [Mrk 9:42, Luk 17:2] who are believing in Me, it is better for him that a weighty millstone may be hanged on his neck, and he may be sunk in the depth of the sea. [Mrk 9:42, Luk 17:1]
7 "Woe to the world from the stumbling-blocks! For there is necessity for the stumbling-blocks to come, but woe to that man through whom the stumbling-block comes! [Luk 17:1-2]
8 And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut them off and cast [them] from you; it is good for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the continuous fire.
9 And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and cast from you; it is good for you to enter into life one-eyed, rather than having two eyes to be cast into the Gehenna of fire.
10 Beware! You may not despise one of these little ones, [Mrk 9:42, Luk 17:2] for I say to you that their messengers in the heavens always behold the face of My Father who is in the heavens,
11 [[for the Son of Man came to save the lost.]] [Mat 10:6, Mat 15:24]
12 What do you think? If a man may have one hundred sheep, and there may go astray one of them, does he not—having left the ninety-nine, having gone on the mountains—seek that which is gone astray? [Mat 10:6, Mat 15:24]
13 And if it may come to pass that he finds it, truly I say to you that he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine that have not gone astray;
14 so it is not [the] will in [the] presence of your Father who is in the heavens, that one of these little ones [Mrk 9:42, Luke 17:1-2] may perish.

Mark 9:38-50 LSV
38 And John answered Him, saying, "Teacher, we saw a certain one casting out demons in Your Name, who does not follow us, and we forbade him, because he does not follow us."
39 And Jesus said, "Do not forbid him, for there is no one who will do a mighty work in My Name, and will be readily able to speak evil of Me:
40 for he who is not against us is for us;
41 for whoever may give you to drink a cup of water in My Name, because you are Christ’s, truly I say to you, he may not lose his reward; [Mat 10:42]
42 and whoever may cause to stumble one of the little ones believing in Me, better is it for him if a millstone is hanged around his neck, and he has been cast into the sea. [Mat 18:6, Luk 17:1-2]
43 And if your hand may cause you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having the two hands, to go away into Gehenna, into the fire—the unquenchable—
44 [[where their worm is not dying, and the fire is not being quenched.]] [Isa 66:24]
45 And if your foot may cause you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter into life lame, than having the two feet to be cast into Gehenna, into the fire—the unquenchable—
46 [[where their worm is not dying, and the fire is not being quenched.]] [Isa 66:24]
47 And if your eye may cause you to stumble, cast it out; it is better for you to enter into the Kingdom of God one-eyed, than having two eyes, to be cast into the Gehenna of fire—
48 where their worm is not dying, and the fire is not being quenched; [Isa 66:24]
49 for everyone will be salted with fire, and every sacrifice will be salted with salt. [Lev 2:13]
50 The salt [is] good, but if the salt may become saltless, in what will you season [it]? Have in yourselves salt, and have peace in one another."

Luke 16:19-31 — Luke 17:1-4 LSV
19 And—a certain man was rich, and was clothed in purple and fine linen, making merry sumptuously every day,
20 and there was a certain poor man, by name Lazarus, who was laid at his porch, full of sores,
21 and desiring to be filled from the crumbs that are falling from the table of the rich man; indeed, also the dogs, coming, were licking his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the poor man died, and that he was carried away by the messengers into the bosom of Abraham—and the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 and having lifted up his eyes in Hades, being in torments, he sees Abraham far off, and Lazarus in his bosom,
24 and having cried, he said, Father Abraham, deal kindly with me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and may cool my tongue, because I am distressed in this flame.
25 And Abraham said, Child, remember that you received your good things in your life, and Lazarus in like manner the evil things, and now he is comforted, and you are distressed;
26 and besides all these things, between us and you a great chasm is fixed, so that they who are willing to go over from here to you are not able, nor do they pass through from there to us.
27 And he said, I ask, then, father, that you may send him to the house of my father,
28 for I have five brothers, so that he may thoroughly testify to them, that they also may not come to this place of torment.
29 Abraham says to him, They have Moses and the prophets, let them hear them;
30 and he said, No, father Abraham, but if anyone from the dead may go to them, they will convert.
31 And he said to him, If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded if one may rise out of the dead."
1 And He said to the disciples, "It is impossible for the stumbling blocks not to come, but woe [to him] through whom they come; [Mat 18:7]
2 it is more profitable to him if a weighty millstone is put around his neck, and he has been cast into the sea, than that he may cause one of these little ones to stumble. [Mat 18:6, Mrk 9:42]
3 Take heed to yourselves, and if your brother may sin in regard to you, rebuke him, and if he may change his mind, forgive him,
4 and if seven times in the day he may sin against you, and seven times in the day may return to you, saying, I change my mind; you will forgive him."

Even Eleazar-Lazarus is "one of these little ones" ...

 

[dak]

Now then, taking into account the Testimony of the Master in the previous post above, if we return to the Torah, hopefully the Spirit of the Torah will become more readily apparent, especially in light of Matthew 10:34-36 and the Luke 12:51-53 companion passage. What actually happens in Exodus 32:25-29? Does Mosheh actually command those who are on the side of YHWH to put their swords to their sides, go through their gates, and literally-physically kill their family members for idol worship? Do we truly love the Father with all our heart, and with all of our soul, and with all of our mind, and with all of our strength? And if so then should we believe that the Father would command such a thing after He just said, You shall not ratsach, (period), and also, Honor your father and your mother? Do we read ratsach anywhere in Exodus 32:25-29? No, we find harag, to cut off, and especially when there is a sword involved such as in this text. Things that are different are not the same, and ratsach is not harag, and ratsach is physical murder-killing while the other, harag, pertains to supernal and spiritual things, as we have seen in previous posts above herein.

פָרֻ֖עַ - fa·ru·a, (H6544 para') - to loosen, to expose, to be naked, (implying one is uncircumcised (in heart)).

Exodus 20:12-13
[12] Honor your father and your mother: that your days may be long upon the adamah which YHWH your Elohim gives you.
[13] You shall not murder/kill. [H7523 רָצחַ ratsach]

Exodus 32:25-29
[25] And Mosheh saw that the people were exposed, [H6544 פָּרַע para'] for Ahron had exposed them unto their own shame among those who rose up against them,
[26] And Mosheh stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Whoever is for YHWH, let him come unto me: and all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.
[27] And he said to them, Thus says YHWH Elohei Yisrael, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and cut off [H2026 הָרַג (harag)] every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his kinsfold.
[28] And the sons of Levi did according to the word of Mosheh: and there fell of the people that day as it were three thousand men.
[29] For Mosheh had said, Consecrate-dedicate yourselves this day unto YHWH, surely every man against his son, and against his brother, that He may bestow upon you a blessing this day.

Does the Father bless the Levim for physically killing their fathers and mothers and family members?
We are told that Levi had observed the sayings and kept the covenant in doing these things:

Deuteronomy 33:8-11 - The Blessing of Levi
[08] And of Levi he said, Let Your Thummim and Your Urim be with your holy one, whom you tested at Massah, and with whom you strove at the waters of Meribah:
[09] Who said to his father and his mother, I have not seen them: who neither acknowledged his own brethren, nor knew his own sons: surely they have observed Your sayings, and have kept Your covenant.
[10] They shall teach Yakob Your judgments, and Yisrael Your Torah: they shall put incense before You, and whole offerings upon Your altar.
[11] Bless, O YHWH, his substance, and accept the work of his hands: smite through the loins of them that rise up against him, and of them that hate him, lest they rise up again.

The Master teaches the same as Mosheh and the Prophets:

Matthew 10:34-39 (Luke 12:51-53)
[34] Think not that I am come to bring peace upon earth: I came not to bring peace, but a sword.
[35] For I am come to sever [G1369 διχαζω] a man from his father, and the daughter from her mother, and the daughter in law from her mother in law.
[36] And the enemies of a man shall be those of his own household. [Mic 7:6]
[37] The one loving father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and the one loving son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
[38] And the one not taking up his stake, and following after me, is not worthy of me.
[39] The one finding his soul shall destroy it: and the one destroying his soul for my sake shall find it.

Micah 7:5-6
[05] Trust not in a friend, put not your confidence in a guide: keep the doors of your mouth from her that reclines in your bosom. [Deut 13:6]
[06] For the son dishonors the father, the daughter rises up against her mother, the daughter in law against her mother in law: the enemies of a man are the members of his own house. [Mat 10:36]

Deuteronomy 13:1-11
[01] If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and gives you a sign or a wonder,
[02] And the sign or the wonder comes to pass, whereof he spoke unto you, saying, Let us go after other gods, which you have not known, and let us serve them:
[03] You shall not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for YHWH your Elohim proves you, to know whether you love YHWH your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul.
[04] You shall walk after YHWH your Elohim, and fear Him, and keep His commandments, and obey His voice, and you shall serve Him, and adhere unto Him.
[05] And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death, for he has spoken to turn you away from YHWH your Elohim who brought you out from the land of Mitzraim and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust you out of the way which YHWH your Elohim commanded you to walk in: so shalt you put away the evil from your midst.
[06] If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, [Mic 7:5] or your friend who is like unto your own soul, entice you secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which you have not known, you, nor your fathers:
[07] Among the gods of the people which are round about you, near unto you, or far off from you, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth:
[08] You shall not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him, neither shall your eye pity him, neither shall thou spare him, neither shall you conceal him:
[09] But you shall surely cut him off: [H2026 הָרַג (harag)] your hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
[10] And you shall stone him with stones that he die, for he has sought to thrust you away from YHWH your Elohim, who brought you out from the land of Mitzraim, from the house of bondage.
[11] And all Yisrael shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this in the midst of you.

The Torah is to be internalized: for the kingdom of Elohim does not come with ocular-visual observation, for the kingdom of Elohim is within us, (Luke 17:20-21). These things were in the Torah and Prophets and Writings all along, but no one received the whole understanding before the Meshiah: and he it is who has properly expounded all of it, and filled up the Torah with the grace and the truth. By his Testimony we are set free from the physical commandment, and especially the torah of the sin offering, for it is bloodguilt to slaughter an innocent living soul to atone for your own sin, (evey so-called sacrificial animal is called a living soul, Gen 2:19), and we know from the Prophets and the Psalms that such literal-physical animal sacrifices are not what is pleasing to the Father.

The war is inside us, and the enemies of a man are the members of his own household:

Your heavenly Father -vs- your father the Devil
Your mother Covenant (Gal 4:22-31) -vs- your mother of Harlots (Rev 17:5)
Your son of Elohim -vs- your son of perdition
Your daughter of Tzion -vs- your daughter of Babylon
Exo 32:25-29, Deut 13:1-11, Mic 7:5-6, Zec 11:4-17, Mat 10:34-36, Luk 12:51-53

 

[dak]

And of course Paul teaches the very same doctrine.

Romans 8:12-14 KJV
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Colossians 3:5-7 KJV
5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

Romans 12:1 KJV
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments
G2999 λατρεία latreia (la-trei'-a) n.
ministry, i.e. in service and worship of God.
[from G3000]
KJV: (divine) service

 

[amigo de christo]

And of course Paul teaches the very same doctrine.

Romans 8:12-14 KJV
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Colossians 3:5-7 KJV
5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

Romans 12:1 KJV
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments
G2999 λατρεία latreia (la-trei'-a) n.
ministry, i.e. in service and worship of God.
[from G3000]
KJV: (divine) service

unto all who seek to please ALL MIGHTY GOD,
flee the pits of that which is of anti christ . Ecumenical interfaith is of anti christ . Just a reminder for us all
so as none even dares to enter into unity with it .

 

[dak]

The Eunuch – A Dream

27 November 2012 – After a night of sweet sleep upon my floor roll a dream arrived near the end. Having no bed to lay my head sometimes can make the pillow like a stone in the clouds of my heavens. As I began to awaken, (so I thought in the dream, but none the less it was still the dream), I found an arm having been severed at the elbow, and laying dead above my head upon the pillow of stone wherein my mind had found its rest this night. And in shock and horror I grabbed the severed arm to inspect it, and there was no blood to be found, nor any mess of fluids: for it had long been severed, and was completely dried up and dead. And I began to wonder who might do such a horrible thing? And who might be lurking and watching me? And what was the warning they were sending to me? Then I truly began to fear and tremble in the midst of this dream as I suddenly realized that someone must have been in my room this night. So I cried out to the Most High, saying, O HE WHO WAS AND WHO IS AND WHO SHALL BE, help me understand what this means! Why has this severed arm that is long time dead, and completely withered and dried up, been left resting on my pillow above my head? And who would do such a thing? And then I began to awaken from the dream, and I began to realize that one of my arms had been put to sleep for a lack of circulation and was completely dead and numb. And there I was, laying there holding my own dead arm with my other hand, when suddenly it shook itself back to life. It had been wrapped around above my head on the pillow of stone as I slept, and the circulation to it was clean dried up and it was cut off, and it had become a separate member of the dream. And a voice came to me, saying, Did I not say that I would bring with me those asleep in My Son when I come? Behold, you now have your arm which you beheaded long ago because of offenses, even according to My Word, My Son. The arm was dead, and yet now it lives: let no man defraud his brother in this matter, for these are members of My Household, and you are no more your own, and I am the avenger of all such. Neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree!

And I remembered some of the passages from where these things derive:

Isaiah 56:1-7 LSV
1 Thus says YHWH, Keep you justice, and do righteousness; for My salvation is near to come, and My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does these, and the son of man who holds them fast: who keeps the Shabbat from profaning it, and keeps his hand from doing any evil.
3 Neither let the foreigner who has joined himself to YHWH speak, saying, YHWH will surely separate me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree!
4 For thus says YHWH of the eunuchs who keep My Shabbatot, and who choose the things that please Me, and hold fast My covenant:
5 To them will I give in My house and within My walls a memorial, and a name better than that of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off.
6 Also the foreigners who join themselves to YHWH, to minister to Him, and to love the name of YHWH, to be His servants, everyone who keeps the Shabbat from profaning it, and holds fast My covenant:
7 even them will I bring to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My house of prayer: their ascending prayer offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted on My altar, for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.

Matthew 18:8-10 LSV
8 And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut them off and cast [them] from you; it is good for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the continuous fire.
9 And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and cast from you; it is good for you to enter into life one-eyed, rather than having two eyes to be cast into the Gehenna of fire.
10 Beware! You may not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that their messengers in the heavens always behold the face of My Father who is in the heavens,
11 [[for the Son of Man came to save the lost.]]

Matthew 19:11-12 LSV
11 And He said to them, "All do not receive this word, but those to whom it has been given;
12 for there are eunuchs who from the mother’s womb were so born; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are eunuchs who kept themselves eunuchs because of the kingdom of the heavens: he who is able to receive [it]—let him receive."

 

[Archie]

Proverbs 10:19
In the abundance of words transgression ceaseth not, And whoso is restraining his lips is wise.

2 Corinthians 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Galatians 1:6-9
I marvel that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ for a different gospel, which is really not another, only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should proclaim to you a gospel contrary to the gospel we have proclaimed to you, let him be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is proclaiming to you a gospel contrary to what you received, let him be accursed!

 

[dak]

Acts 3:22-23 RNKJV
3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall YHWH your Elohim raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Deuteronomy 18:17-19 RNKJV
18:17 And YHWH said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

 

[amigo de christo]

Acts 3:22-23 RNKJV
3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall YHWH your Elohim raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Deuteronomy 18:17-19 RNKJV
18:17 And YHWH said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

so dont you find it odd that the prophets of much of christendom
p rophesy a lie unto this people that surely knows not the SPIRIT of PROPHECY .
What is the Spirit of Prophecy , it is the TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST
Not ecumenical intefaith which hollers all religions from buddism to any other ism serves the same GOD we do .
As i wrote above and afore
WE have got to get this people out of those ecumenincal interfaith un ity churches .
For they prophesy NOT the words of Christ but r ather a love that rejoices in a lie . And charity does not rejoice in inquity
ONLY in TRUTH .
So no more koran kissing and etc , n o more trying to find common ground with false religoins .
JESUS preaching time in the house .

 

[Marvelloustime]

so dont you find it odd that the prophets of much of christendom
p rophesy a lie unto this people that surely knows not the SPIRIT of PROPHECY .
What is the Spirit of Prophecy , it is the TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST
Not ecumenical intefaith which hollers all religions from buddism to any other ism serves the same GOD we do .
As i wrote above and afore
WE have got to get this people out of those ecumenincal interfaith un ity churches .
For they prophesy NOT the words of Christ but r ather a love that rejoices in a lie . And charity does not rejoice in inquity
ONLY in TRUTH .
So no more koran kissing and etc , n o more trying to find common ground with false religoins .
JESUS preaching time in the house .

@amigo de christo

 

[dak]

so dont you find it odd that the prophets of much of christendom
p rophesy a lie unto this people that surely knows not the SPIRIT of PROPHECY .

No, I do not find that odd at all: it has been that way for a long time now, (even Paul foretold this).

What is the Spirit of Prophecy , it is the TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST

Amen.

Not ecumenical intefaith which hollers all religions from buddism to any other ism serves the same GOD we do .
As i wrote above and afore
WE have got to get this people out of those ecumenincal interfaith un ity churches .

How do you plan to do that outside of proclaiming it here at CB?

For they prophesy NOT the words of Christ but r ather a love that rejoices in a lie . And charity does not rejoice in inquity
ONLY in TRUTH .
So no more koran kissing and etc , n o more trying to find common ground with false religoins .
JESUS preaching time in the house .

Amen.

 

[dak]

More confirmation regarding the understanding of 2Cor 5:21 as explained in Reply#2 of this thread, posted just this morning in a thread by @Pavel Mosko, here on this same board:

The Many Problems of Aramaic Primacy of the New Testament - Reply#13
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