Is it possible to lose salvation?

[amigo de christo]

No.



Absolutely!



Uh huh… Already numerous times mentioned in my posts.

Plainly have said… JESUS Saves they Heartfully CONFESSED believers IN Him!!



Why do you feel the need to remind me to steer clear of “other” religions?
What “other” religion do you see me claiming to “practice or encourage”?
Certainly there was No such thing in the post you are responding to!



AND??
Do you IGNORE 4,000 years of History, when No man called on the Name JESUS, but Yet men WERE faithful to God…and Saved by God?

AND??
Do you IGNORE the last 2,000 years… (primarily after the Deaths of the Apostles…)
When JEWS stopped (under Pressure) preaching The Messiah Christ the Lord Jesus in Jewish Synagogue's?
Or KNOW WHAT WAS Gods Response?

Does God “Blinding” the Jews ring a bell?
Does “Making Way” For GENTILES to BE OFFERED … the Knowledge, the Gift of Salvation, Ring a Bell?

Are you without Understanding…that
God Himself Had a Pack / Promise / Covenant with His People ISRAEL to Save THEM?

Are you without understanding…
God IS Daily Fulfilling His Covenant with His People ISRAEL?
God IS Through His Word Daily Fulfilling His Offering to all men WHO agree to Take His Offering of Salvation By, Through, Of Christ the Lord Jesus?



Uh… every individual human already Has a Death Sentence and Shall Die!

The question IS WHO shall Receive An Eternal New Life, and WHO Will not.

God saves Whom He Will and When He Will…
And According to Scripture …
Israel, Jews, Gentiles… God is not limited to Save (AFTER A Mortal Bodily Death) Any that bodily Dies Believing IN Him!

Christ Jesus saves Whom God Gave Him…
And to Know WHOM “THEY” Are, is to Know Whom… Called ON Jesus, CONFESSED their true Heartful BELIEF in Him…and He Makes Them Saved…. Once and Forever, Kept Saved by The Power OF God WHO IS Christ…( BEFORE their Mortal bodily death).

John 10:
[27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.



You implying I preach other than Biblical Scripture … is False and unproved, by you.



Ok. And?
Do you think THOSE “Sav-ED IN Christ” require Warnings from you?

Do you go to Synagogues And Preach your JESUS Salvation Message to “Jews God has Blinded”?

Rom 11:
[25] For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.



Perhaps you should PUT in your Mind To join an ANTI-Christ Site and Preach your Warning to People who ARE NOT Saved, rather than making Warning to Those who ARE Saved!

Taken you as usual started out the gate strong
but then tanked . I dont worry about The past and old covenant times .
TIME to preach JESUS CHRIST and to remind all of the absolute dire necessity to beleive on HIM or perish .
You asked me to go to an anti christ site
WELL IF FOLKS are headed into this ecumincal interfaith , THEN T HAT Is exactly what they headed right into
ANTI CHRIST .
We cant lip two gospels taken . SORRY but either we ABSOLUTEY as a child BELIEVED
the one true gospel OR we decieved ourselves .
Now what does the true gospel entail . THAT YE MUST BELIEVE AND CONFESS .
So why the heck are many now adding to it
with the idea that its okay if one didnt . BECAUSE BUD that is another gospel .
WE cant preach two . INTERFAITH REALLY IS OF ANTI CHRIST as its abraham accords
interreligous dialgoue has PROVEN it to be .
IF any cometh and preaches , What was that taken , ANY OTHER GOSPEL
let them be accursed . WELL , TIME we have no part in that accursed interfaith abraham accords
nor any who are lined up in it .
Sorry taken but EITHER WE BELIEVE JESUS and HIS GOSPEL
OR we believe the interfaith accords and its go spell
BUT IT CANT BE BOTH .
Today is october the twelfth , in the year of our LORD two thousand and twenty five .
REMEMBER this date well , cause you were warned on it .
WE cannot preach BOTH BELEIEF and UNBELEIF . ITS ONE or the other taken
EITHER WE CALL JESUS TRUE , or we call HIM a liar . But it cant be both .

 

[BreadOfLife]

If a man came to baptize many households it dont always mean they have small babies .
Many households have either older children as well as even children that no longer live there cause they are now grown .

And, by the SAME token – it could have meant that they DID. According to Early Church writings, they DID Baptize babies and small children – and referred to it as an ”Apostolic Tradition”:

Irenaeus
He [Jesus] came to save all through himself – all, I say, who through him are reborn in God; infants, and children, and youths, and old men. Therefore he passed through every age, becoming an infant for infants, sanctifying infants; a child for children, sanctifying those who are of that age . . . [so that] he might be the perfect teacher in all things, perfect not only in respect to the setting forth of truth, perfect also in respect to relative age (Against Heresies 2:22:4 [A.D. 189]).

Hippolytus
Baptize first the children, and if they can speak for themselves let them do so. Otherwise, let their parents or other relatives speak for them (The Apostolic Tradition 21:16 [A.D.215]).

Origen
THE CHURCH RECEIVED FROM THE APOSTLES THE TRADITION OF GIVING BAPTISM EVEN TO INFANTS. The apostles, to whom were committed the secrets of divine sacraments, knew there is in everyone innate strains of [original] sin, which must be washed away through water and the Spirit (Commentaries on Romans 5:9 [A.D. 248]).

Cyprian
As to what pertains to the case of infants: You [Fidus] said that they ought not to be baptized within the second or third day after their birth, that the old law of circumcision must be taken into consideration, and that you did not think that one should be baptized and sanctified within the eighth day after his birth. In our council it seemed to us far otherwise. No one agreed to the course which you thought should be taken. Rather, we all judge that the mercy and grace of God ought to be denied to no man born" (Letters 64:2 [A.D. 253]).

You use the word household to automatically make it a fact that stephanas even had children . HE MIGHT Not have .

Soooo, if he MIGHT have – what then??

The entire household was Baptized – that would INCLUDE infants.

And we both know even if one did baptize a baby its not even the same as
the true baptism with water that is applied TO BELIEVERS ONLY .
Even phillip said , WHEN asked what does hinder me from being baptized said the enuach
IF YE BELIEVE ye may be . SO you can try and defend this all day but i dont buy it .
But that is hardly the problem i have with that RCC . I mean if folks wanna sprinkle water
on babies that is their choice , NOT that it will do any good ,
But my real problem with that place is its deadly deceptoins . So i leave you with that my friend .
And she is not the only place that worketh abominations either .

Time for a Bible and History Lesson . . .

Baptism was prophesied by Ezekiel. He described the method and the effect of the Holy Spirit on the person:

Ezek. 36:25-28
I will sprinkle clean water upon you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleanness from all your idols I will cleanse you. A new heart I will give you, and a new spirit I will put within you; and I will remove from your body the heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. I will put my spirit within you, and make you follow my statutes and be careful to observe my ordinances. Then you shall live in the land that I gave to your ancestors; and you shall be my people, and I will be your God.

From the FIRST century Church document, The Didache (Doctrines of the Twelve Apostle), written while MANY of them were still alive.

Chapter 7. Concerning Baptism
And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have not living water, baptize into other water; and if you can not in cold, in warm. But if you have not either, POUR OUT WATER (THRICE UPON THE HEAD into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. (Didache – AD).

The protestant realm now has many that do such abominations . IT is bible time in the house
or stay deceieved and trapped under the guise of men , MANY shall remain .

Yes – everybody reading and interpreting the Bible for themselves so we can have thousands and thousands of perpetually-splintering sects - ALL teaching different doctrines yet ALL claiming to have be led to this confusion by the Holy Spirit.

What a MESS you’ve all made to the unity of Christ . . .

 

[Taken]

I dont worry about The past and old covenant times .

That’s too bad. Not to Worry about… However Ignoring Knowledge does Not lead to Wisdom.

Jesus did Not Destroy the OT Law.
It applied to many ISRAELITES Then and Does Now.

TIME to preach JESUS CHRIST and to remind all of the absolute dire necessity to beleive on HIM or perish .

So why are you Preaching to Sav-ED Christians, rather than Preaching to JEWS and MUSLIMS?

You asked me to go to an anti christ site
WELL IF FOLKS are headed into this ecumincal interfaith , THEN T HAT Is exactly what they headed right into
ANTI CHRIST .

Good grief…You seem to be the Only one in 9 out of 10 posts carrying on and on and on about your obsession with “inner faith”…
Why are you not on a Thread someone has started ABOUT their advocacy and journey regarding “inner faith” instead of flooding your post with that, that no one but you seems to be discussing?

 

[Taken]

THAT YE MUST BELIEVE AND CONFESS .

Or What?

 

[Taken]

WE cannot preach BOTH BELEIEF and UNBELEIF . ITS ONE or the other taken

I have said no such thing…
Speak for yourself!

 

[amigo de christo]

I have said no such thing…
Speak for yourself!

never said you did . But they DO . and we cannot sit at that table my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

Or What?

perish

 

[KUWN]

I can't remember if I have posted the chart below in this Forum, if so, please ignore this post. The objective of this chart is to show that the Rapture and the Second Coming have little in common. BTW, this chart has never been responded to by post tribbers.

 

[Taken]

THAT YE MUST BELIEVE AND CONFESS .

Or, what?

perish

Every body of man (and that body’s LIFE …BLOOD … ) Shall Perish …
* Whether or not that man BELIEVES…
* Whether or not that man CONFESSES…

So your TWO points (Believe AND Confess), you say MUST OCCUR…

BEFORE WHAT …next CAN / WILL Occur?

 

[amigo de christo]

Or, what?



Every body of man (and that body’s LIFE …BLOOD … ) Shall Perish …
* Whether or not that man BELIEVES…
* Whether or not that man CONFESSES…

So your TWO points (Believe AND Confess), you say MUST OCCUR…

BEFORE WHAT …next CAN / WILL Occur?

Not true . For he who Beleives in me shall never die . You know what i meant by perish my friend .
Your twisting things . They will be damned .
The body is not what i spoke about , its the soul my friend .
HE who beleives on Christ is born of GOD and shall not perish but has eternal life .
Man cannot save himself . GOD has chosen how to save .
By the preaching of the gospel to save them THAT BELEIVE .
You might not like that , but TRUTH is the TRUTH .
Never buy the lie of inclusivity and that which is of interfaith which is of anti christ .
For they sell a lie unto this people .
You seem to try and imply things by how you skirted around and tried to make what i meant by perish
seem as something that occurs to all .
And i have to admit , when i seen what you did , it was very very troublesome .
SO what it is you truly desire to beleive .
IS IT the gospel that saves , or is it the big end time broad path of unbeleif and that in the end all will be well for humanity .
Because i tell us all that all who rejected the testimony THE FATHER GAVE of the SON
do call GOD a liar . but john said it first and before HE said it JESUS had said it .
We might want to beleive in a big fairy tale ending , BUT NO SUCH ending exists .
The only ones who have a good end ARE THE SHEEP who BELIEVED ON CHRIST JESUS .
And JESUS made that real clear . e

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Every body of man (and that body’s LIFE …BLOOD … ) Shall Perish …

Not true . For he who Beleives in me shall never die

Amen!

“… whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?” (Jhn 11:26, KJV)

 

[Taken]

Not true .

You know what i meant by perish my friend .

Only YOU can make clear what YOU mean.

Your twisting things .

Hogwash. I asked YOU a question.

They will be damned .

Make YOURSELF clear…

Are you say ALL WHO…
“Do Not BELIEVE AND CONFESS”…
Wiil be damned?

If So… You say it clearly, so I don’t have to “guess” what YOU mean, and then I can respond to you.

 

[amigo de christo]

Only YOU can make clear what YOU mean.



Hogwash. I asked YOU a question.



Make YOURSELF clear…

Are you say ALL WHO…
“Do Not BELIEVE AND CONFESS”…
Wiil be damned?

If So… You say it clearly, so I don’t have to “guess” what YOU mean, and then I can respond to you.

Just remember i never pointed to another gospel by giving out false hope to a lost world .
ALL who reject CHRIST will wail .
And yes of course they will be damned . I dont care if its the most friendly give you my shirt off my back
grandma that did more to give food to the poor , SHE GONNA ROAST in damnation IF SHE BELIEVED NOT JESUS IS the CHRIST .
Many have already heard the lovely name of JESUS and yet will not BELIEVE ON HIM . they gonna roast taken .
I dont give out false love and make it seem like somehow someone who heard the gospel of JESUS
yet rejected HIM as CHRIST ,as the SON OF GOD , yet still did many good works , somehow knew GOD . THEY DID NOT
NONE is righteous taken . THERE IS NONE who is GOOD according to GOD , there is NONE
who is not under death and darkness . Time to offer up the ONLY NAME I KNOW saves
and remind all , even shaking the dust off upon those who reject , of their damanation for rejecting him .
I dont live in a cuymbia good feelings world taken that offers up some kind of hope
ASIDE from THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS . that hope is all vain . JESUS preaching TIME .

 

[amigo de christo]

Only YOU can make clear what YOU mean.



Hogwash. I asked YOU a question.



Make YOURSELF clear…

Are you say ALL WHO…
“Do Not BELIEVE AND CONFESS”…
Wiil be damned?

If So… You say it clearly, so I don’t have to “guess” what YOU mean, and then I can respond to you.

Oh i have long made myself very clear. SO clear even a kindergardner
WOULD HAVE KNOWN
BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST or face the lake of fire for rejecting HIM .
Its darn clear what i have long been saying .
I dont offer up false hope and cuymbia love to this people .
I OFFER UP THE LOVE OF GOD , JESUS CHRIST , HIS GOSPEL of YE MUST BELEIVE in HIM .
Most however just use the gospel as a means to feel saved and yet they just go with this ecumincial harlots flow .
AM i saying that those who hear the gospel and do not believe on HIM will be damned . YOU BET I AM .
But dont t hink i said it first . Look at what JESUS told even the jews who failed to beleive on him . wasnt good taken . wasnt good .

 

[Ronald Nolette]

First of all – I already gave you an example of your error and proved you wrong.

Secondly, the Bible is filled with run-on sentences, sentences, awkward sentence structure, etc. You CANNOT apply 21st century English grammar to languages from thousands of years ago.

There are almost 400,000 grammatical issues in the Bible that do not jive with 21st century English grammar.

No, you just used an example that is entirely different than the Kai in Rev. 12. Either you really are ignorant or insidiously deceptive in misusing grammar.

And the rest of your complaint is simply coming from one, who does not rely on koine Greek experts to help understand the construct of Scripture.

As you have cited so many early church fathers, maybe you should rely on them when they inserted punctuation and paragraphs and chapter headings and verse numbers.

And I am referring to Greek grammar and the rules of translation from Greek to English, tyr it sometime

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Nope – just giving you ONE source.
Here are some others . . .

AI
“Adelphos is a Greek word with a primary meaning of "brother," but it can also refer to broader relationships like cousins, countrymen, or fellow believers”.

Well here is the quote you used and intentionally misquoted from AI:

Brother
The term "adelphos" is a Greek word that means "brother". It is used in the New Testament to refer to siblings and can also imply a broader sense of kinship among believers. The word is derived from the Greek roots meaning "from the womb," indicating a close familial relationship.

That kinship is related to believers. Stop l;ying!

Bible Study Tools
Adelphos Meaning - Greek Lexicon | New Testament (NAS)
Adelphos Definition
NAS Word Usage - Total: 343
1. a brother, whether born of the same two parents or only of the same father or mother
2. having the same national ancestor, belonging to the same people, or countryman
3. any fellow or man
4. a fellow believer, united to another by the bond of affection

WOW! you tried to rebuke me for your false thought of me using modern english and here you are using wiki and AI!

But I am glad you listed the bible study tools to prove my point! Maybe you should read it!

Context determines which of the definitions is to be used and the context of the Luke passage is immediate family, nor fellow Jews, or any generic person, or fellow Christians.

Thank you for showing that teh Greek Experts I rely proved me right!

 

[Taken]

ALL who reject CHRIST will wail .
And yes of course they will be damned .

Believing in JESUS is One Thing.

Believing in JESUS is the CHRIST is another thing.

ALL who reject CHRIST will wail .
And yes of course they will be damned .

False.

 

[Taken]

Every body of man (and that body’s LIFE …BLOOD … ) Shall Perish …
* Whether or not that man BELIEVES…
* Whether or not that man CONFESSES…

Not true .

Is True.

Gen 9:
[5] And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

 

[Taken]

Oh i have long made myself very clear. SO clear even a kindergardner
WOULD HAVE KNOWN

You have long told a HALF truth.
Maybe suitable for a kindergartener, but not for adults who knows the whole truth and can discuss accordingly.

BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST or face the lake of fire for rejecting HIM .

Gods Gift of Salvation IS NOT limited by “your understanding”, that you preach, “your way or Damnation”.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Here's a couple of portions of scripture the eternal security peeps must reject and claim is a lie if they are to continue their scamming:

2 Peter 3:14
Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace,
without spot, and blameless.

Hebrews 3:6-19
But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

They will claim this is "works" based salvation