Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? Because of this, wrath has gone out against you from the Lord.

[Chrysostomos]

Because they have no real understanding of God's prophetic words concerning the End Times and because their understanding is of a forever Promised Land when in reality God never promised Abraham any land without an end time clause until after the GWTR judgement for those who will be judged to be righteous.

You nailed it—many Christians miss the mark by prioritizing a "Promised Land" over Jesus Christ Himself. As you pointed out, God’s promises to Abraham (Genesis 13:14–15, 15:17–21, 17:8) were conditional, tied to obedience, and ended due to Israel’s idolatry post-Solomon and fully with the temple’s destruction in 70 AD, fulfilling prophecies like Exodus 20:4–6.
The idea of a "forever" land ignores the New Testament’s clear teaching: salvation comes only through faith in Jesus as the Messiah (John 14:6; Acts 4:12), not through possessing a geographic location or rebuilding a temple.

Supporting a secular Israel or the Jewish push to build a Third Temple and resume animal sacrifices does nothing to lead people to accept Jesus as the true promised Messiah—it actually denies His once-for-all sacrifice.

 

[Behold]

It's not like you don't put yourself in other's shoes, let's say you're Palestinian, and then one day a bunch of people come and get rid of you, Are you sure you won't turn into Hamas?

Israel didn't "come and get" the arabs in Gaza.
Israel gave them that area, in '2005.
Israel completely left that area, where they lived, and gave it all to the Arabs (Palestinians).
The Palestinians, then chose Hamas as their Government, and for the last 20 yrs, this GAZA area has fired Rockets into Israel, to try to Kill all the Jews.
So, what happened is... Israel was kind to these Arabs... they gave them a HOME .....and These Arabs repaid Israel's kindness with Rockets and Slaughter for the last 20 yrs.

Now, if someone from Hamas comes into my Home In Israel, then they will leave in a body bag, or i will., maybe both.
See, The NT teaches us that if we do not take care of our family, we are worse then and Infidel".. Paul teaches, and taking care of your family means protecting them from MURDER.
So, It depends on if i see them coming, first.
I'll pray for them now, and my Prayer is that that dont come into my Home trying to kill my family, as they wont like the end result.
Hopefully they wont come to your home as they wont pay any attention to your prayers. They'll just cut off your head, unless they burn you to death first, and your family.
And They'll film what they do to you on their Cell Phones, and later they play back this HORROR to their Families, on the Big screen... and laugh.
Welcome to "Hamas"........."Palestinians".........."Allah's finest".

 

[Behold]

You nailed it—many Christians miss the mark by prioritizing a "Promised Land" over Jesus Christ Himself. As you pointed out, God’s promises to Abraham (Genesis 13:14–15, 15:17–21, 17:8) were conditional, tied to obedience,

Here is how God's promise to Abraham works.

God's promise to Abraham, = that he would be the "heir of the world" is based on '""the righteosness of Faith.""
"Abraham BELIEVED GOD and it was counted unto Him as RIGHTEOUSNESS".
This Promise was made also to Abrhama's SEED.........and the eventual seed of Abraham is the Believer""" in Christ."""
The Christians are the "SEED"....today. = The Born again.......The Bride of Christ.......The NT Church.
This is why the Apostle Paul teaches that : = "Abraham is the FATHER OF OUR FAITH"..

New International Version If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. New Living Translation And now that you belong to Christ, you are the true children of Abraham. You are his heirs, and God’s promise to Abraham belongs to you. English Standard Version And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise. King James Bible And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. New American Standard Bible And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise. NASB 1995 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise. Amplified Bible And if you belong to Christ [if you are in Him], then you are Abraham’s descendants, and [spiritual] heirs according to [God’s] promise.

 

[Chrysostomos]

You are creating a false equivalency and a false "guilt by association" narrative by falsely claiming that "if" a Christian supports Netanyahu and Israel then that means that they are "ALL Zionists", and that is a lie.
The fact is, about 30% of Christians, within the context of Zionism, are Zionists, and the other 70% of Christians who support Israel, support them for 2 reasons.......They believe that The Land belongs to the Jew as their homeland, and they believe that the Nation of Israel has a right to survive.
So they support the Truth.

Also, "replacement theory and the false narrative that "if you support Israrel you support zionism" as you define it, is simply thinly veiled AntiSemitism.

You even listed so called Euro "authorities" that host a lot of Palestinian misinformation regardng what is going on In Gaza, and all your Sources do not support Israel......not one of them, even before the OCT 7 Massacre of Jews created the Gaza War.
All your "authorities = supported the false Palestinian agenda long before the Oct 7 Massacre of Jews...
They all support the Palestinian " Media soundbite"..that falsely broadcast's that the Palestinians are the indiginous people of Jerusalem and Gaza and surrounding areas and they were uprooted by the Jews.

@Behold, you’re misrepresenting my position. I never claimed all Christians who support Israel’s existence are Zionists—I clearly distinguished their motives. Some Christians back Israel for religious reasons (Zionism), tying it to prophecy and even the Third Temple. Others support Israel’s right to exist alongside a Palestinian state, per UN resolutions, for political or humanitarian reasons. And yes, there are Christians who don’t support Israel at all, especially in its current form—a state with nationalistic policies mixed with religious Zionism. Your 30% Zionist, 70% non-Zionist split is your own invention; it ignores Christians who oppose Israel’s existence, particularly due to its actions and temple ambitions. Can you show evidence for those percentages?

From a Christian perspective, supporting modern Israel, especially its temple-building push, is problematic:

1. Israel’s secular and religious leaders largely reject Jesus as Messiah, making religious support for them contrary to the Gospel (John 5:43; Acts 4:12). Why back a state that denies the Savior?

2. Jesus predicted the Second Temple’s destruction (Matthew 24:1–2), signaling its obsolescence. His sacrifice ended the need for animal offerings (Hebrews 10:10–14). Supporting a Third Temple, as groups like The Temple Institute (backed by Israel’s government) do, defies Christ’s finished work.

3. Even God rebuked supporting a wayward Israel (2 Chronicles 19:2: “Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord?”). Why ignore this for a secular state?
End-Times Deception: Backing a temple tied to the Antichrist’s rise risks aiding satanic plans, not God’s (2 Thessalonians 2:4). How is this “supporting the truth”?

Calling criticism antisemitism dodges the issue. Loving Jews means pointing them to Christ, not endorsing a temple that rejects Him. Why should Christians support a state pushing a project so contrary to the Gospel?

 

[Chrysostomos]

6.4 Million Jews in the "modern state of Israel"....obo.

About 13% OBO of them are the "religious" Jews : the "Zionists" who would want to rebuilt the temple.

So, to state that this is the entire "Modern nation of Israel" that is trying to replace Jesus with a substitute"""... is simply a stone cold lie.
You seem to be happy to keep spreading it, @Chrysostomos .
Most Jews in Israel are not even Religious....they are secular or traditional.....about 70%.

@Behold, did you make up all this statistics yourself, or does someone feed you this info? Where did you get these numbers from—6.4 million Jews, 13% religious Zionists pushing for the temple, 70% secular/traditional?

It's the stats from reliable sources like Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics (CBS) and Pew Research (2025): Among Jewish Israelis (~7.76 million), secular/atheists make up about 43% (~3.33 million), while religious Jews are around 23% (~1.78 million). As for Christians among Jews: less than 0.3% (~10,000–20,000, mostly Messianic Jews).

The remaining ~34% of Jewish Israelis (~2.56–2.64 million) are "traditional" (masorti), who partially observe Jewish customs like attending synagogue on Yom Kippur or keeping some kosher practices but aren’t as strict as religious Jews. Their religiosity varies, often leaning toward cultural Judaism or agnosticism rather than devout faith.

So, one part of Israeli Jews are atheists/secular. Another part are religious Zionists. And 0.3% Christians is even less than a margin of error. Thus, while I never said "the entire modern nation of Israel is trying to replace Jesus with a substitute"—you're putting words in my mouth—your claim is 99.7% accurate anyway.

Here's a question for you: Official stats show 43% of Israeli Jews are secular/atheists who don't believe in God. Yet, many Jews claim rights to Palestine because "God promised this land." Isn't that contradictory—invoking a God half don't believe in? How do you reconcile that?

 

[Behold]

. Your 30% Zionist, 70% non-Zionist split is your own invention;

No, that 70% number is not my 'Invention."
Its based on recent stats, that even a antisemite can go and investigate.

The reality is, about 13% of Israeli's are religious Zionists, a small minority.

Do the math. = That is not the "STATE" of Israel.

it ignores Christians who oppose Israel’s existence, particularly due to its actions and temple ambitions.

A Real Christian, unless they are deceived will never oppose Israel's Existance, as to do that is to oppose God Himself.

It is not an accident that Israel is now a State.
This is the hand of God calling Jews Home, as prophecied... and we see it in these End times.., just before the Trib Starts.

Its Satan who hates the Jews, and its his owned who hate the nation of Israel, currently who are driven to disparage them and create false religious narratives about them.

Any Real Christian will understand this, and see it clearly.

From a Christian perspective, supporting modern Israel, especially its temple-building push, is problematic:

Your perspective isn't Christian.......its Antisemetic......exactly as you find in "Replacement Theology".

See, In your head, regarding your twisted view the 13% of Religious Jews in Israel who want a "Temple".... you mistakenly see this as a problem for Israel supporting Christian's who mostly don't know anything about it.....and who are all in for Israel, because they understand Israel has a right to their homeland and a right to exist.
Any Real Christian would understand this without having to have it explained to them.

1. Israel’s secular and religious leaders largely reject Jesus as Messiah,

Israel's Secular and Religious Leaders, make up about 13% of Israels entire Population.
So, your analysis is rediculous, and moot.

See, Its not rational thinking to claim that 13% of Israel's Population, can be judged as ALL of the population.

That type of false analysis is like saying that All of the USA is "BLACK".. because 12% of the USA is Black.

= Ridiculous.

2. Jesus predicted the Second Temple’s destruction (Matthew 24:1–2), signaling its obsolescence. His sacrifice ended the need for animal offerings (Hebrews 10:10–14). Supporting a Third Temple, as groups like The Temple Institute (backed by Israel’s government) do, defies Christ’s finished work.

Your post has nothing to do with your statement that Christians should not support Israel, based on your obsesson with the temple being potentially built again.

3. Even God rebuked supporting a wayward Israel (2 Chronicles 19:2: “Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord?”). Why ignore this for a secular state?
End-Times Deception: Backing a temple tied to the Antichrist’s rise risks aiding satanic plans, not God’s (2 Thessalonians 2:4). How is this “supporting the truth”?

Use the NT when trying to prove something you want to teach Christians.....Not the Old Covenant., as otherwise Chrisitan will realize you are creating a false teaching.
Ive realized it and some of these other members will figure you out, as well......(Those who care about Israel and understand bible prophecy related to the Jews coming back to Israel.)

Loving Jews means pointing them to Christ, not endorsing a temple that rejects Him. Why should Christians support a state pushing a project so contrary to the Gospel?

Once again, the "STATE" of Israel is not ONLY the 13% Religious Jews, as you keep pretending.
So.......Will you be able to understand this anytime soon? @Chrysostomos
The 13% religious Jews.... are a small minority, and do not speak for most Israeli's.

 

[amigo de christo]

I think you’re spot on with the contrast between the fruits of the Spirit of the resurrected Lord Yeshua (Galatians 5:22–23) and the judgment and condemnation that religion, rooted in legalism, often brings. The New Testament is clear that no one is justified by the works of the law—salvation comes only through faith in Jesus as the Messiah (Galatians 2:16; Romans 3:20). The idea of building a Third Temple to resume animal sacrifices is absurd and blasphemous from a Christian perspective, as it rejects Christ’s once-for-all sacrifice (Hebrews 10:10–14). Jesus fulfilled the law perfectly (Matthew 5:17), something no one in Old Testament times could do, and returning to animal sacrifices now would be a denial of His redemptive work.

So why do Christian Zionists support the Jewish push to build a Third Temple and restore sacrifices? It seems to contradict the Gospel’s core message that salvation is through Christ alone (Acts 4:12). The law condemns, but Jesus justifies (Romans 5:1).

And WHY ON earth do these christain zionists as well as liberals
SUPPORT INTERFAITH ABRAHAM ACCORDS . WHICH I KNOW DARN WELL is of ANTI CHRIST .
Have you seen what the key leaders of THIS ecumeincal
intefaith interrelgiious dialgoue have been saying .
THAT ALL RELIGOINS SERVE THE SAME GOD in different ways . OMI TTING and TRODDING UNDER FOOT
the dire need TO EVEN BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST . AND so called chistains link arms
WITH THIS ABOMINATION . THIS v ile and wicked blasphemy . THEY so think is gonna usher in world peace n safety .
THREE KEY things they have NO IDEA about .
NUMBER ONE , They believe its the will of GOD that all these religoins come together for world peace
and that they all coming to GOD in different ways . WELL THAT AINT OF GOD at all . GOD TESTIFIED OF JESUS
NOT A LIE .
Number two . JESUS said very clearly THAT HE DID NOT COME TO BRING PEACE ON EARTH .
Number three , BUT someone else sure does come and by HIS PEACE will destroy many , that one be anti christ .
SO GUESS what spirit they been following , THAT WHICH IS OF ANTI CHRIST . its plain to see this . very clear it is to see this .

 

[Behold]

@Behold, did you make up all this statistics yourself, or does someone feed you this info? Where did you get these numbers from—6.4 million Jews, 13% religious Zionists pushing for the temple, 70% secular/traditional?

The most recent count of Jews in Israel is about 1 million more then my older figure of 6.4., mil..
More Jews have been coming home since that older stat was created.....so that is why there is an increase.
Otherwise, 70% of Jews are not Religious.......and the 13% are religious Zionists.

And understand that when a Jew says...."im not religious" they are mainly explaining that they are not one of the 13% Fanatics who are the religious Zionist Jews, in Israel... "The Black Coats"
This does not mean that they are atheists..
Also, a Messianic Jew understands that Israel's home is God given........and its Jerusalem, and Gaza, and similar......so, to know this, is not Zionism.....its BIBLE.

The remaining ~34% of Jewish Israelis (~2.56–2.64 million) are "traditional" (masorti), who partially observe Jewish customs like attending synagogue on Yom Kippur or keeping some kosher practices but aren’t as strict as religious Jews. Their religiosity varies, often leaning toward cultural Judaism or agnosticism rather than devout faith.

Ive already posted all the stats for you.

Thus, while I never said "the entire modern nation

You defined it as the "State"....so you did define the 13% of religious Jews as the "State".

You want to walk that back now, of course.

Here's a question for you: Official stats show 43% of Israeli Jews are secular/atheists who don't believe in God.

5% of Americans are Atheists..
Up to 50% of French are Atheists
Up to 47% of Germans are Atheists

Yet, many Jews claim rights to Palestine because

There is no such thing as Palestine.
This is a created word, a modern word., that is meaningless, as Arabs are not the origianal idigenous people regarding the area of Jerusalem or Gaza, and similar.
So the correct identification of a "palestinian" is : ARAB.
They are : ARABS.
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"God promised this land." Isn't that contradictory—invoking a God half don't believe in? How do you reconcile that?

The Land was given by God.
So, if a jew believes it who lives in Israel, or does not believe it........God's perspective is not changed.
Those who have come back to their Homeland this last 60 Yrs, are "bible prophecy".. and they dont have to kmow it or believe it.
= Real Christians understand this and would not be found on a "christian" fourm pretending that 13% of Hyper Religious Jews is the "STATE" of Israel, and that Christians are to avoid supporting Israel.

 

[amigo de christo]

I completely agree with your points—well said! The focus for Christians should be the Heavenly Kingdom, not some earthly nation or agenda (John 18:36; Hebrews 11:16). I’m especially puzzled by Christians, particularly dispensationalist Protestants, who wholeheartedly support the secular state of Israel and even back the Jewish desire to build a Third Temple and resume animal sacrifices. This contradict the New Testament’s teaching that Christ’s sacrifice was once for all, making such rituals obsolete (Hebrews 10:10–14; Colossians 2:16–17).

What’s even stranger is how some of these same dispensationalist Protestants harshly criticize Orthodox and Catholic Christians, often painting them as misguided or worse, yet treat secular Israelis and Orthodox Jews with reverence. If we applied their critical standards to Israel and Orthodox Jews—who openly reject Jesus as Messiah—they could be portrayed as utterly opposed to Christian truth. Yet Catholics and Orthodox Christians affirm Jesus as Savior, while secular and Orthodox Jews do not (John 3:18; Acts 4:12). This double standard is baffling. Why the selective outrage? Why venerate a secular state and a temple project that denies Christ’s redemptive work?

Did you say catholics . WHO YOU THINK came up with the abraham accords interreligoius dialgoue
THE RCC DID . yeah i know both trump , vance , key players like kushner
and the nar realm ARE all in on it . BUT they didnt ivent the wicked thing , THE RCC DID .
WE ALL BEING decieved . THE TIME TO COME OUT of the mainstream IS NOW . its long been infiltrated
and prepared for this very hour and to buy the lie . Come ye out from amongst them
and let us PREACH JESUS . YOUR RIGHT friend ITS THE HEAVENLY KINGDOM . you right about that my friend .
BUT beware the HARLOT for she has infected every known realm and denomintation known to man
and she and her many co workers do the will of their father to prepare a peoples
unto the beast , unto its kingdom , unto its solution for peace and unto its coming
Solution to rid the earth of all who did not conform . We are being decieved my friend . Yet many seem
to love a lie .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Did you say catholics . WHO YOU THINK came up with the abraham accords interreligoius dialgoue
THE RCC DID . yeah i know both trump , vance , key players like kushner and the nar realm ARE all in on it . BUT they didnt ivent the wicked thing , THE RCC DID .

You spout-off like an insane person. The Catholic Church had nothing to do with the historic Abraham Accords.
But historically-bankrupt people have been blaming the Church for everything from the Civil War to New Coke . . .

The Leftists in this country suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS), which is in irrational hatred for ALL things Trump.

YOU suffer from Catholic Derangement Syndrom (CDS) . . .

 

[Chrysostomos]

Practice is the sole criterion for testing truth. Let them practice it. I think God is silent because of it.


16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.


16:31
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

What are you talking about with "practice as the sole criterion for testing truth"? If you're a Christian who believes Jesus is the Messiah, the only way to salvation, and the Truth Himself (John 14:6; Acts 4:12), then why support building a Third Temple and resuming Old Testament animal sacrifices? The Messiah has already come—Jesus Christ brought the one perfect, once-for-all sacrifice for our sins. The temple and animal offerings are no longer needed.

Pushing for a Third Temple to restore sacrifices is nothing less than a practical denial of Jesus Christ—it rejects His atonement.
How can denying Christ "test truth" through practice? Jesus is the Truth (John 14:6), and rejecting Him is rejecting Truth itself

Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. (1 John 2:22).

 

[Chrysostomos]

No, that 70% number is not my 'Invention."
Its based on recent stats, that even a antisemite can go and investigate.

The reality is, about 13% of Israeli's are religious Zionists, a small minority.

Do the math. = That is not the "STATE" of Israel.

Why do you keep insisting on made-up statistics that's so easy to debunk? Where did you get these numbers—13% religious Zionists as a "small minority," with 70% secular/traditional?

From a quick Google search on "How many Jews in Israel are religious?":
Breakdown of religious affiliation:
Secular (Hiloni): Around 49% identify as secular.
Traditional (Masorti): Around 29% identify as traditional.
Religious-Zionist: Approximately 28% of Israeli Jews identify as religious-Zionist.
Orthodox: Roughly 22% of Israeli Jews identify with Orthodox groups (Haredim and Datiim).
Ultra-Orthodox (Haredi): About 10% of Israeli Jews are Haredi, a category often considered the most religiously observant.

So, nearly half of Israeli Jews are atheists/secular who don't believe in God, yet they claim rights to the land because "God promised it"—a God half don't even acknowledge. Isn't that contradictory? On the other hand, about a third are overt religious Zionists supporting the Third Temple and resuming animal sacrifices. Christians among Jews? Less than 0.3%—that's smaller than a margin of error.

In any case, 99.7% of Israel's population rejects Jesus as the Messiah and the only way to salvation. So, the question stands: Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? (2 Chronicles 19:2).A Real Christian, unless they are deceived will never oppose Israel's Existance, as to do that is to oppose God Himself.

A Real Christian, unless they are deceived will never oppose Israel's Existance, as to do that is to oppose God Himself.

Your claim that a "real Christian" must support Israel's existence or oppose God Himself is not only unsubstantiated but biblically flawed—even in the Old Testament, it would be debatable, and in the New Testament era, it's exactly the opposite. God Himself rebuked King Jehoshaphat for supporting wicked Israel, asking, "Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord?" (2 Chronicles 19:2). If that was true under the Old Covenant, how much more now, after Jesus' perfect sacrifice made the old system obsolete?

Supporting modern Israel, especially the Jewish push to build a Third Temple and resume animal sacrifices, is a direct denial of Jesus Christ and His atoning work—it rejects Him as the true Messiah and the Lamb of God. Why would a Christian back a project that tramples Christ's blood underfoot and sets the stage for the Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:3–4)?

 

[Chrysostomos]

Israel's Secular and Religious Leaders, make up about 13% of Israels entire Population.
So, your analysis is rediculous, and moot.

See, Its not rational thinking to claim that 13% of Israel's Population, can be judged as ALL of the population.

That type of false analysis is like saying that All of the USA is "BLACK".. because 12% of the USA is Black.

= Ridiculous.
Once again, the "STATE" of Israel is not ONLY the 13% Religious Jews, as you keep pretending.
So.......Will you be able to understand this anytime soon? @Chrysostomos
The 13% religious Jews.... are a small minority, and do not speak for most Israeli's.

What nonsense are you writing? How can secular and religious Jewish leaders make up only 13% of Israel's entire population? That's an absurd statement. Leaders represent people—if leaders are just 13%, who do they represent? Obviously, leaders have followers, and that's the majority influencing policy, including temple ambitions. I never said these 13% "leaders" are all of Israel; I couldn't even write such ridiculous drivel. You're inventing "13% leaders" out of thin air and attributing it to me.

5% of Americans are Atheists..
Up to 50% of French are Atheists
Up to 47% of Germans are Atheists

In the US, ~62% are Christians (Pew 2025);
France ~34% (INSEE 2020, with ~47% nominal);
Germany ~48–59% (Le Monde 2025).
Israel? Just 1.8–1.9% (~180,000, mostly Arab Palestinians per CBS 2025).
Christians among Jews? Less than 0.3%—that's smaller than a margin of error.

The Land was given by God.
So, if a jew believes it who lives in Israel, or does not believe it........God's perspective is not changed.
Those who have come back to their Homeland this last 60 Yrs, are "bible prophecy".. and they dont have to kmow it or believe it.
= Real Christians understand this and would not be found on a "christian" fourm pretending that 13% of Hyper Religious Jews is the "STATE" of Israel, and that Christians are to avoid supporting Israel.

Your response is absurdly illogical and biblically illiterate—claiming God's "perspective" on the land overrides human belief, so atheists can "fulfill prophecy" without knowing or caring? That's pure fantasy, not Scripture. Old Testament promises were conditional on obedience (Genesis 17:8 with Deuteronomy 28:15–68), revoked for idolatry after Solomon and fully in 70 AD when Jesus predicted the temple's destruction (Matthew 24:1–2), ending the old system (Hebrews 8:13). God rebuked supporting wayward Israel: "Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord?" (2 Chronicles 19:2). If atheists "return" without faith, how's that "prophecy" when they deny the God making the promise?

 

[Behold]

Why do you keep insisting on made-up statistics that's so easy to debunk? Where did you get these numbers—13% religious Zionists as a "small minority," with 70% secular/traditional?

Those are posted online stats.
Simple to find.

So, again, you are trying to prove the Lie........that because 13 % of Israel's Jews are the hyper religious zealots, that this proves that all of the other Israelies are the same, .or as you falsely defined them ALL as "the STATE of Israel" who you believe are ALL busy trying to build that next Temple.
And that is your hallucination, that is your lie.... and nothing else.
Listen, Most Jews in Israel, who make up the STATE of Israel, are not of that hyper-religious 13% who would be trying to build a new Temple.

So, its dishonet of you to claim that if a Christian is supporting Israel then they are supporting the building of a Temple, when in fact only 13% of Jews in Israel are of the religious fanatical group who want that to happen.
Now are their Hyper-Zionist Christians who would support this?.....Yes, but that is a small percentage of Christians.

So, never define ALL Christians as a part of supporting that "new Temple" situation, as nearly all Christians only support Israel's right to their homeland and their right to survive and are not even aware that the "black coats" in Israel, = the religious fanatics are trying to get a New Temple built.

Your claim that a "real Christian" must support Israel's existence

I said that a Real Christian would support Israel's right to exist in their Homeland., and a Real Christian would support Israel's right to survive .
Whereas a fake Christian,or a member of Haman who hate Jews, who are antisemetic, would not support Israel's right to their Homeland and their right to exist.
Do you understand yet @Chrysostomos ???

 

[Behold]

What nonsense are you writing? How can secular and religious Jewish leaders make up only 13% of Israel's entire population?

Because my Home is in Israel, and i know what im talking about.

Also, Those are posted online stats.
Simple to find.

That's an absurd statement. Leaders represent people—

Leaders represent people and a lot of people dont support their leaders and that is why they choose new ones.
Didnt you know @Chrysostomos ?

So, again, you are trying to prove the Lie........that because 13 % of Israel's Jews are the hyper religious zealots, that this proves that all of the other Israelies are the same, .or as you falsely defined them ALL as "the STATE of Israel" who you believe are ALL busy trying to build that next Temple.
And that is your hallucination, that is your lie.... and nothing else.
Listen, Most Jews in Israel, who make up the STATE of Israel, are not of that hyper-religious 13% who would be trying to build a new Temple.

So, its dishonet of you to claim that if a Christian is supporting Israel then they are supporting the building of a Temple, when in fact only 13% of Jews in Israel are of the religious fanatical group who want that to happen.
Now are their Hyper-Zionist Christians who would support this?.....Yes, but that is a small percentage of Christians.

So, never define ALL Christians as a part of supporting that "new Temple" situation, as nearly all Christians only support Israel's right to their homeland and their right to survive and are not even aware that the "black coats" in Israel, = the religious fanatics are trying to get a New Temple built

Now.... as I previously told you...= a Real Christian would support Israel's right to exist in their Homeland., and a Real Christian would support Israel's right to survive .
Whereas a fake Christian,or a member of Haman who hate Jews, who are antisemetic, would not support Israel's right to their Homeland and their right to exist.
Do you understand yet @Chrysostomos ???

 

[Chrysostomos]

Whereas a fake Christian,or a member of Haman who hate Jews, who are antisemetic, would not support Israel's right to their Homeland and their right to exist.

I already provided you with statistics from Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics (CBS) and results from a quick Google search on "How many Jews in Israel are religious?" which align closer to CBS data, yet you keep insisting on some "13%." Even if we assume your "13%" religious Zionists and "70%" atheists, how does that answer the question: why should Christians support Israel? What's the principal difference for Christians whether it's 13% Zionists and 70% atheists, or 49% atheists and 28% Zionists? The key is that Christians among Jews in Israel are less than 0.3%—that's negligible. Thus, the question remains open: Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? (2 Chronicles 19:2).

There is no dogma stating that those who don't support the modern secular state of Israel are fake Christians, while real Christians are those who support modern Israel. I've noticed for a long time that among Protestants, it's easy to get labeled a "fake Christian" just for expressing doubt about unconditionally supporting the modern state of Israel. For example, in Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity, you need solid grounds to declare that, which I specify as "if you don't think this way, you're not a Catholic or Orthodox Christian." To say someone is not a Catholic or Orthodox Christian, the accused must profess faith differing from at least one dogma of the Nicene Creed. That is, the Nicene Creed, adopted at ecumenical councils, reflects the essence of Christian faith. If a person accepts all dogmas of the Creed and was baptized in Catholicism or Orthodoxy, it's hard to call such a person not a Catholic or Orthodox.

That is, there is no decision from any council, neither ecumenical nor local, that would decree: whoever does not support the modern state of Israel—let him be anathema.

Moreover, I personally don't know of cases where a Catholic or Orthodox Christian would say to a fellow believer: if you don't support the state of Israel, then you're a fake Catholic/Orthodox, you're a fake Christian.
But among Protestants, this happens all the time.

I remember the times when no one talked about Jews and Israel at all. I, like many Christians, lived my life, and even preachers said nothing about modern Israel, and about Jews they spoke only of those described in the Bible. But with the development of cable TV and the internet, at some point the situation changed. What started as barely noticeable changes in interpretation turned into a full-fledged cult of deception, where televangelists like Jerry Falwell day after day appeared on TV screens, declaring that anyone who does not unconditionally support Israel is "cursed by God." No nuances. No Gospel. Only threats. Only fear.

This is your whole essence. All you do is hang labels: "antisemite," "fake Christian," and threaten curses based on one torn-out quote from the book of Genesis. And beyond this quote, you seem not to have read.

 

[soberxp]

What are you talking about with "practice as the sole criterion for testing truth"? If you're a Christian who believes Jesus is the Messiah, the only way to salvation, and the Truth Himself (John 14:6; Acts 4:12), then why support building a Third Temple and resuming Old Testament animal sacrifices? The Messiah has already come—Jesus Christ brought the one perfect, once-for-all sacrifice for our sins. The temple and animal offerings are no longer needed.

Pushing for a Third Temple to restore sacrifices is nothing less than a practical denial of Jesus Christ—it rejects His atonement.
How can denying Christ "test truth" through practice? Jesus is the Truth (John 14:6), and rejecting Him is rejecting Truth itself

Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. (1 John 2:22).

.No one can change the prophecy, the Antichrist is the Antichrist, and no one can change that. On that day they elect a man who stands in the Temple of God and calls himself God or the Messiah.

This is the only way to round up their lies, but does not rule out their practice to realize their mistakes, but I think the possibility is remote.

 

[Chrysostomos]

And WHY ON earth do these christain zionists as well as liberals
SUPPORT INTERFAITH ABRAHAM ACCORDS . WHICH I KNOW DARN WELL is of ANTI CHRIST .
Have you seen what the key leaders of THIS ecumeincal
intefaith interrelgiious dialgoue have been saying .
THAT ALL RELIGOINS SERVE THE SAME GOD in different ways . OMI TTING and TRODDING UNDER FOOT
the dire need TO EVEN BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST . AND so called chistains link arms
WITH THIS ABOMINATION . THIS v ile and wicked blasphemy . THEY so think is gonna usher in world peace n safety .
THREE KEY things they have NO IDEA about .
NUMBER ONE , They believe its the will of GOD that all these religoins come together for world peace
and that they all coming to GOD in different ways . WELL THAT AINT OF GOD at all . GOD TESTIFIED OF JESUS
NOT A LIE .
Number two . JESUS said very clearly THAT HE DID NOT COME TO BRING PEACE ON EARTH .
Number three , BUT someone else sure does come and by HIS PEACE will destroy many , that one be anti christ .
SO GUESS what spirit they been following , THAT WHICH IS OF ANTI CHRIST . its plain to see this . very clear it is to see this .

On one hand, MAGA supporters often criticize leftist ecumenism for uniting all denominations and religions into one. Yet, on the other hand, these MAGA folks tactically overlook that the secular state of Israel they fervently and unconditionally support is nearly half atheistic (~43% secular/atheists per CBS/Pew 2025, ~3.33 million), and the other half consists of religious Zionists (~23% religious + ~34% traditional, partially observant) who reject Jesus as Messiah and push to build a Third Temple to resume animal sacrifices. If we apply your critical logic against leftist ecumenism to MAGA's unconditional support for Israel, MAGA comes out as the worst ecumenists of all. Leftists at least try to unite Christian denominations—all of whom believe in Jesus as the Messiah and sole Savior—while MAGA supports atheists who deny God altogether and Zionists who blaspheme Christ by denying His atoning sacrifice and preparing for the Antichrist's "abomination" (2 Thessalonians 2:3–4; Daniel 9:27).

This double standard is glaring: MAGA condemns interfaith dialogue but embraces Abraham Accords (pushed by Trump himself), which unite Israel with Muslim nations in "peace" that ignores Christ's exclusivity. If ecumenism is antichrist for uniting believers in different ways, how much worse is uniting with outright rejectors of Christ? Be objective and non-selective—if you criticize ecumenism, then condemn Christian Zionists too for supporting secular Israel and especially religious Zionists in their temple-building ambitions, which is practical denial of Jesus' redemptive work. True faith prioritizes Christ over any nation (Galatians 3:28; Philippians 3:20), not the other way around. Why the hypocrisy—criticizing leftists while ignoring MAGA's own ecumenical alliances with Christ-rejectors?

 

[Behold]

I already provided you with statistics from Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics (CBS) and results from a quick Google search on "How many Jews in Israel are religious?"

Let me show you the realitiy.
See these Religious Jews. These are the "Black Coats".
They are the fanatical Zionist's who want to rebuild the Temple.
The are 13% of the population of Israel.
Netanyahu is not one of those.
The other 70% of Jews in Israel are also not this group.
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[Chrysostomos]

Did you say catholics . WHO YOU THINK came up with the abraham accords interreligoius dialgoue
THE RCC DID . yeah i know both trump , vance , key players like kushner
and the nar realm ARE all in on it . BUT they didnt ivent the wicked thing , THE RCC DID .
WE ALL BEING decieved . THE TIME TO COME OUT of the mainstream IS NOW . its long been infiltrated
and prepared for this very hour and to buy the lie . Come ye out from amongst them
and let us PREACH JESUS . YOUR RIGHT friend ITS THE HEAVENLY KINGDOM . you right about that my friend .
BUT beware the HARLOT for she has infected every known realm and denomintation known to man
and she and her many co workers do the will of their father to prepare a peoples
unto the beast , unto its kingdom , unto its solution for peace and unto its coming
Solution to rid the earth of all who did not conform . We are being decieved my friend . Yet many seem
to love a lie .

The Roman Catholic Church (RCC) didn't invent the Abraham Accords; those were a diplomatic initiative by the Trump administration (2020, led by Kushner) for normalizing ties between Israel and Arab nations (UAE, Bahrain, etc.). RCC isn't the originator. You said "WE ALL BEING deceived,". Yet it seems like one of those deceiving us is you.

The real question isn't who started what—it's: Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? Why support secular Israel and Zionists pushing a Third Temple to resume animal sacrifices, denying Christ's once-for-all atonement?