Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? Because of this, wrath has gone out against you from the Lord.

[Lizbeth]

I completely agree with your points—well said! The focus for Christians should be the Heavenly Kingdom, not some earthly nation or agenda (John 18:36; Hebrews 11:16). I’m especially puzzled by Christians, particularly dispensationalist Protestants, who wholeheartedly support the secular state of Israel and even back the Jewish desire to build a Third Temple and resume animal sacrifices. This contradict the New Testament’s teaching that Christ’s sacrifice was once for all, making such rituals obsolete (Hebrews 10:10–14; Colossians 2:16–17).

What’s even stranger is how some of these same dispensationalist Protestants harshly criticize Orthodox and Catholic Christians, often painting them as misguided or worse, yet treat secular Israelis and Orthodox Jews with reverence. If we applied their critical standards to Israel and Orthodox Jews—who openly reject Jesus as Messiah—they could be portrayed as utterly opposed to Christian truth. Yet Catholics and Orthodox Christians affirm Jesus as Savior, while secular and Orthodox Jews do not (John 3:18; Acts 4:12). This double standard is baffling. Why the selective outrage? Why venerate a secular state and a temple project that denies Christ’s redemptive work?

Actually there is a double standard between those who don't claim Christ and those who do claim Him but walk in error.

I wish the Jewish people well....but am very aware that they are lost souls, unbelievers, and this life is very short while eternity never ends. They need their Messiah much more than they need a country here on earth, although I'm certainly not against them having one, especially after the cruelties of the holocaust. But the Hebrew roots movement morphed into something that is based on emotions and not of God's spirit......it is actually an ecumenical movement in my view....aka deception.

 

[Lizbeth]

When Jesus returns I expect this to happen:

1 Co 15:51-52 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Amen. When the real Jesus shows up, which will be at some point after the Anti-Christ is revealed, there will be no time to go looking to find Him at some geographical location or in a certain building. Twinkling of an eye as well as Him coming like lightning doesn't leave any room for that.

 

[Taken]

Moreover, some Israelis and religious groups actively push for the construction of a Third Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. According to Scripture, this Temple will become the seat of the Antichrist:

“Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God” (2 Thess. 2:3–4, NKJV).

Supporting the construction of a Third Temple, where the Antichrist will reign according to prophecy, directly contradicts Christian teaching, as it seeks to restore Old Testament rituals that deny Christ’s redemptive sacrifice.

Questions for Christian Zionists: Why Support the Third Temple?

Specifically, what do you mean by “Support / Back”?

Christian Zionists

What specifically are you saying a “Christian Zionist” means?

But why?

Why not?

Do they believe that Christ’s Second Coming will occur in the Third Temple, and that the Jews, who rejected Him as the Messiah, will suddenly recognize Jesus as the same Messiah they crucified, accepting Him this time instead of crucifying Him again?

In ISRAEL….approx 74% … Jewish
They: JEWS…(following OT law) want a Temple to Worship in.

In ISRAEL…In ANY Nation… Messianic Jews, believe IN Christ Jesus… (but are Not called Christian’s)… Worship in Synagogue's. Their want of another Temple or Not, is likely a personal wondering like any one else who has no need for a Temple to Believe and Worship The Lord God Almighty.

In ISRAEL … approx 18% … Christian
They: CHRISTIANS…(IN Christ) have no expectation for Christ Jesus (who didn’t leave from a Temple) to return to a Temple.

IN ISRAEL … approx 2 % … Islam
They: MUSLIM have… a place to worship their god and prophet.

How can they reconcile their faith in Jesus as Savior with supporting a project tied to the Antichrist, who “sits as God in the temple of God” (2 Thess. 2:3–4)?

Inasmuch as “effects of Satan are revealed…”
So Also is the Coming of our Lord being ushered in, which the Saved, the quickened ARE waiting and longing for.

Their actions raise serious questions: Are they following Christ or succumbing to manipulations disguised as prophecy?

Following Christ?
Sure, some do, some do not.

Prophecy is clear Knowledge revealed in Scripture of the:
Who;
What;
Where;
When;
Why;
Order and Way, according to Gods Pleasure.

Some ARE Secure… others are trying to hear, learn, establish, conclude their Belief… and many are too secularly consumed with the 24-7 bombardment of appearance, control, wealth, fame, accolades, fun, self-importance….
They have no concept, interest, care beyond the moment and their own feelings.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Actually there is a double standard between those who don't claim Christ and those who do claim Him but walk in error.

Agree…
One is Forgiven.
One is Not.

I wish the Jewish people well....but am very aware that they are lost souls…

Regarding the Jews (tribes)… Agree some are LOST…and BLINDED “BY God”… Until their Their Hearts ARE prepared to Receive the TRUTH.
Some have Already become Made IN Christ (Messianic Jews)

Not much different than 2,000+ years Ago…when Jesus was on Earth Preaching…
Some Believed…Some remained Lost.

They need their Messiah much more than they need a country here on earth, although I'm certainly not against them having one, especially after the cruelties of the holocaust. But the Hebrew roots movement morphed into something that is based on emotions and not of God's spirit......it is actually an ecumenical movement in my view....aka deception.

They Have a Promised Land that Stands in importance.
They Have a Faithful God that SHALL deliver them the Truth from their own Jewish Fathers….(not Gentile men).

Be patient, Trust Gods Timing for the JEWS to be reconciled.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Chrysostomos]

People do what they want.

Your comment raises an interesting point, but it prompts deeper questions: Why do people want what they want? What’s the purpose or meaning behind their actions? Are they truly pursuing their own desires, or are they deceived, manipulated, or doing what others want them to do?

In the context of this thread, if Christian Zionists support building a Third Temple and resuming animal sacrifices, why do they want this? Is it because they genuinely believe it aligns with God’s will, or are they misled by a misinterpretation of prophecy (like dispensationalism)? Could their support stem from external influences—like political agendas or Zionist propaganda—rather than a clear biblical mandate?

 

[MatthewG]

Beats me. They wanna be cool, and edgy.


I was reading someones comment a moment ago on this thread and I just want to say....

Lol Israel is not the promise land... the promised land is heavenly... Heavenly Jerusalem.

 

[MatthewG]

@Chrysostomos here is my question what they gonna do when they have their first sacrifice or whatever it is they wanna do.

And God doesnt show up, besides that Jesus ripped the viel in two. Lol.

 

[Chrysostomos]

Paul was talking about the second temple. Because that one was still standing. If he meant some other one, he would say so, IMO. Or else it would be very confusing for Thessalonians.

You raise a fair point that Paul, writing in the 50s AD, likely referred to the temple in Jerusalem since it was the only "temple of God" standing at the time. But I think you're missing the prophetic depth here. Paul didn’t explicitly say the "man of lawlessness" would sit in the Second Temple, and history shows no such figure emerged before its destruction in 70 AD. Since the Second Temple’s destruction didn’t see an Antichrist figure, Paul’s words must point to a future temple—likely a Third Temple in Jerusalem, on or near the same site.

The state of Israel was reestablished in 1948, many Jews actively push to build a Third Temple (e.g., The Temple Institute), and there’s widespread expectation of a Jewish "messiah". These align strikingly with Paul’s prophecy, suggesting we’re seeing end-times events unfold with stunning accuracy (2 Thessalonians 2:3–4). If this Third Temple is built and a “messiah” is proclaimed, it would be the Antichrist, not Christ, sitting in it, as Jesus warned of false messiahs (Matthew 24:24).

So, why do Christian Zionists support Israel’s secular state and the push for a Third Temple?

 

[Jay Ross]

So, why do Christian Zionists support Israel’s secular state and the push for a Third Temple?

Because they have no real understanding of God's prophetic words concerning the End Times and because their understanding is of a forever Promised Land when in reality God never promised Abraham any land without an end time clause until after the GWTR judgement for those who will be judged to be righteous.

Gen 13:14-15? and Gen 15:17ff were conditional promises which ended after the death of Solomon because of Idolatrous worship.

Gen 17:8 was a conditional promise which ended around the time that the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD and the completion of scattering all of the nation of Israel to the four corners of the earth became a reality in the Exodus 20:4-6 prophecy where the completion of this prophecy is the end of the fourth age of the existence of the Israelites. The completion of the Exodus 20:4-6 prophecy is also linked to the end of the 2,300 years of the Little Horn being given armies to trample both God's Temple and His earthly hosts when God will give Israel peace from the beasts of the field for one thousand years after which they will be released from the Bottomless Pit for a Little While Period to receive their punishment by being banished into the Lake of Fire, after which all of mankind will be judged and those that are not found in the Book of Life will also be dispatched into the Lake of Fire, which John tells us is the Second Death that was foretold to Adam in Genesis 2:17.

So, when Jesus stated that there were some standing with Him, during His time of Ministry, who would not taste the Second death until they saw Him coming in Great Power with all of the heavenly Host of Heaven, He was not pointing to 70 AD but to the time of the Great Throne Room Judgement at the end of the age of all of the seven ages in around 1,040 years from now is very true. Sadly, many people cannot wrap their minds around when this statement would be fulfilled.

Today, many "Christians" still cannot comprehend what Jesus was hinting at.

 

[Behold]

So why do Christian Zionists support the Jewish push to build a Third Temple and restore sacrifices?

The core theology of """Christian Zionist"" is that it supports Israels right to have their homeland in Israel.

Most "non-zionist" Christians which is the other 70% of Christianity would support this also, so, that does not really define them as "Zionists", except in the mind of a antisemetic, "type", world media controlled idiot., who is playing a false game of trying to produce "guilt by association".

A.) = Supporting Israels right to exist in their Homeland that God gave them, is not the same thing as supporting the building of a 3rd Temple.

And.....Supporting Netanyahu because of His leadership and desire to keep Israel alive is not the same thing as "supporting the building of a third temple"......except in the mind of a antisemite.

My home is not far from Tel Aviv, and im a Christian whose Church is "Messianic"..., and i support Israels right to have their Homeland that God gave them, as any real Christian should.
= No IQ test necessary to understand this reality.
I dont even pay attention to "3rd temple" concepts or theology., as this means nothing to most Christians.
Its just a barking point that is created by antisemites whose "other job" is posting......>"replacement theory"... false doctrine.

 

[soberxp]

Simply put, any false understanding of God is idolatry.
Whether he's a Christian，Christian Zionism，or a Jewish.

So, to truly follow God, you need to figure out what kind of behavior is idolatry.

So read Bible and study day by day.

You can also look for any books on monotheism to read, which may be of reference value.

 

[Chrysostomos]

The core theology of """Christian Zionist"" is that it supports Israels right to have their homeland in Israel.

Most "non-zionist" Christians which is the other 70% of Christianity would support this also, so, that does not really define them as "Zionists", except in the mind of a antisemetic, "type", world media controlled idiot., who is playing a false game of trying to produce "guilt by association".

A.) = Supporting Israels right to exist in their Homeland that God gave them, is not the same thing as supporting the building of a 3rd Temple.

And.....Supporting Netanyahu because of His leadership and desire to keep Israel alive is not the same thing as "supporting the building of a third temple"......except in the mind of a antisemite.

My home is not far from Tel Aviv, and im a Christian whose Church is "Messianic"..., and i support Israels right to have their Homeland that God gave them, as any real Christian should.
= No IQ test necessary to understand this reality.
I dont even pay attention to "3rd temple" concepts or theology., as this means nothing to most Christians.
Its just a barking point that is created by antisemites whose "other job" is posting......>"replacement theory"... false doctrine.

You claim Christian Zionism is simply about supporting Israel’s right to its homeland, as promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Genesis 12:3, 17:8). But Christian Zionists often cherry-pick Old Testament verses while ignoring others, like 2 Chronicles 19:1–3, where God rebukes King Jehoshaphat for supporting wicked Israel, saying, “Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord?” Even in the Old Testament, supporting Israel wasn’t always God-pleasing when they turned from Him. In the New Testament era, after Jesus offered the final, perfect sacrifice for sins (Hebrews 9:26, 10:10–14), why should Christians religiously back a secular state that rejects Christ as Messiah? More bafflingly, why support Jews who deny Jesus in their push to build a Third Temple and resume animal sacrifices, which directly contradicts the Gospel’s teaching that Christ’s sacrifice ended the need for such rituals (Hebrews 8:13; Colossians 2:16–17)?

You say the Third Temple “means nothing to most Christians,” but Christian Zionists explicitly support it, citing prophecies like Daniel 9:27 and 2 Thessalonians 2:3–4 about the “abomination of desolation” and the Antichrist. By their logic, supporting the temple accelerates end-times events. But if the Third Temple is where the “man of lawlessness” will sit, proclaiming himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4), isn’t backing its construction tantamount to aiding the Antichrist’s agenda? Using this reasoning, should Christians also support globalist schemes, the mark of the beast, or a “digital concentration camp” to hasten prophecy? That’s absurd and borders on satanic reasoning cloaked in pious rhetoric. True Christians should proclaim Christ, not enable end-times deception (Matthew 24:24).

We must distinguish motives for supporting Israel’s right to exist. Politically, many Christians and non-Christians support Israel’s existence based on international law or geopolitical reasoning, just as some support a Palestinian state’s right to exist without being antisemitic. This isn’t about “guilt by association” or antisemitism—it’s about questioning religious motives. Christian Zionism’s support for Israel isn’t just political; it’s rooted in a theology that elevates a secular state and its temple aspirations above the Gospel’s core: salvation through Christ alone (Acts 4:12; John 14:6). Why, from a Christian perspective, should we help those who reject the Lord, as 2 Chronicles 19:2 warns?

Support for the modern state of Israel, especially within the context of Christian Zionism, inevitably implies indirect or direct support for the construction of the Third Temple. In Israel, there are official and state-supported initiatives for building the Third Temple. Organizations like The Temple Institute, funded by the Israeli government, actively promote this cause. The government, including coalitions with ultra-Orthodox parties (e.g., Shas and United Torah Judaism), often includes religious leaders who advocate for the temple. Supporting Israel in its current form—with religious elements embedded in its politics—means endorsing these efforts, as the state is not entirely separate from Judaism.

 

[Behold]

You claim Christian Zionism is simply about supporting Israel’s right to its homeland, as promised to Abraham, Isaac,

You are creating a false equivalency and a false "guilt by association" narrative by falsely claiming that "if" a Christian supports Netanyahu and Israel then that means that they are "ALL Zionists", and that is a lie.
The fact is, about 30% of Christians, within the context of Zionism, are Zionists, and the other 70% of Christians who support Israel, support them for 2 reasons.......They believe that The Land belongs to the Jew as their homeland, and they believe that the Nation of Israel has a right to survive.
So they support the Truth.

Also, "replacement theory and the false narrative that "if you support Israrel you support zionism" as you define it, is simply thinly veiled AntiSemitism.

You even listed so called Euro "authorities" that host a lot of Palestinian misinformation regardng what is going on In Gaza, and all your Sources do not support Israel......not one of them, even before the OCT 7 Massacre of Jews created the Gaza War.
All your "authorities = supported the false Palestinian agenda long before the Oct 7 Massacre of Jews...
They all support the Palestinian " Media soundbite"..that falsely broadcast's that the Palestinians are the indiginous people of Jerusalem and Gaza and surrounding areas and they were uprooted by the Jews.

 

[soberxp]

You can't have two masters.
So do you love your enemies, for example, Hamas.
If you love them, there is no problem with them.
But you could not stand for the Secular Israel.

 

[Behold]

If you love them, there is no problem with them.

Loving your enemy is not proving that "there is no problem with them".....its just showing that you are able to love them.

Notice..

When Jesus told the Pharisees that "you are of your father the devil".. was He "loving them"?\

"Jesus is the same, yesterday, today, and forever".

or..

When Jesus made a whip out of pieces of rope and went into the temple in Jerusalem and drove them out with the whip, while also turning over their tables..........was Jesus "loving them". >?

"Jesus is the same, yesterday, today and forever"..

So, there is a type of carnal Christan or fake one... who has no idea what "love your enemies" actually means, and this is usually the type that just can't believe that God would create a HELL and a Lake of FIRE for the enemies of God and Christ.
But He did...

"Jesus, the same yesterday, today, and forever'.

 

[Chrysostomos]

Actually there is a double standard between those who don't claim Christ and those who do claim Him but walk in error.

I wish the Jewish people well....but am very aware that they are lost souls, unbelievers, and this life is very short while eternity never ends. They need their Messiah much more than they need a country here on earth, although I'm certainly not against them having one, especially after the cruelties of the holocaust. But the Hebrew roots movement morphed into something that is based on emotions and not of God's spirit......it is actually an ecumenical movement in my view....aka deception.

It really boils down to one simple truth: everyone, without exception, needs salvation, and salvation comes only through faith in Jesus as the Messiah (John 14:6; Acts 4:12). The Messiah has already come—He is Jesus. Anyone or anything offering a substitute for Jesus Christ—whether it’s the modern state of Israel, the Promised Land, or a man-made Third Temple in Jerusalem—is, in essence, antichrist (1 John 2:22; John 5:43).

Supporting a secular Israel or the Jewish push to build a Third Temple and resume animal sacrifices does nothing to lead people to accept Jesus as the true promised Messiah.

 

[Behold]

. Anyone or anything offering a substitute for Jesus Christ—whether it’s the modern state of Israel,

6.4 Million Jews in the "modern state of Israel"....obo.

About 13% OBO of them are the "religious" Jews : the "Zionists" who would want to rebuilt the temple.

So, to state that this is the entire "Modern nation of Israel" that is trying to replace Jesus with a substitute"""... is simply a stone cold lie.
You seem to be happy to keep spreading it, @Chrysostomos .
Most Jews in Israel are not even Religious....they are secular or traditional.....about 70%.

 

[soberxp]

6.4 Million Jews in the "modern state of Israel"....obo.

About 13% OBO of them are the "religious" Jews : the "Zionists" who would want to rebuilt the temple.

So, to state that this is the entire "Modern nation of Israel" that is trying to replace Jesus with a substitute"""... is simply a stone cold lie.
You seem to be happy to keep spreading it, @Chrysostomos .
Most Jews in Israel are not even Religious....they are secular or traditional.....about 70%.

It's not like you don't put yourself in other's shoes, let's say you're Palestinian, and then one day a bunch of people come and get rid of you, Are you sure you won't turn into Hamas?

 

[Chrysostomos]

@Chrysostomos here is my question what they gonna do when they have their first sacrifice or whatever it is they wanna do.

And God doesnt show up, besides that Jesus ripped the viel in two. Lol.

From what I've read, Orthodox Jewish groups like The Temple Institute aim to resume animal sacrifices based on Leviticus (e.g., daily offerings, sin offerings, peace offerings), starting with symbolic or full rituals once the temple is built.

The bigger issue, though, isn't the "what" but the "why" and its spiritual implications. This whole endeavor with rebuilding the Third Temple and resuming animal sacrifices is essentially another active denial of Jesus Christ as Messiah. It rejects His once-for-all sacrifice (Hebrews 10:10–14; John 1:29), implying that His blood wasn't sufficient and that Old Testament rituals must be revived. By pursuing this, they're turning away from the true Messiah who's already come.

 

[soberxp]

From what I've read, Orthodox Jewish groups like The Temple Institute aim to resume animal sacrifices based on Leviticus (e.g., daily offerings, sin offerings, peace offerings), starting with symbolic or full rituals once the temple is built.

The bigger issue, though, isn't the "what" but the "why" and its spiritual implications. This whole endeavor with rebuilding the Third Temple and resuming animal sacrifices is essentially another active denial of Jesus Christ as Messiah. It rejects His once-for-all sacrifice (Hebrews 10:10–14; John 1:29), implying that His blood wasn't sufficient and that Old Testament rituals must be revived. By pursuing this, they're turning away from the true Messiah who's already come.

Practice is the sole criterion for testing truth. Let them practice it. I think God is silent because of it.


16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.


16:31
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.