Not a future seeing Jesus coming guy

[Douggg]

But it is recorded to happen in the life time of the apostles. Why don't you believe that?

Paul spoke about the resurrection/rapture in 1Thessalonians4:15-18. Also in 1Thessalonians5:9-11.

There are no verses in the bible that say the resurrection/rapture happened in the life time of the apostles.

 

[HealthyShape]

Paul spoke about the resurrection/rapture in 1Thessalonians4:15-18. Also in 1Thessalonians5:9-11.

There are no verses in the bible that say the resurrection/rapture happened in the life time of the apostles.

Yes, Paul spoke about it and that some of them will be alive when it will happen. Why don't you believe him that it was supposed to happen in their life time?

According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
1 Thess 4:15

Paul did not say "nobody of us will be alive, it will happen 2,000 years after us, do not worry". But this is exactly how you are reading it, right?

 

[Douggg]

Yes, Paul spoke about it and that some of them will be alive when it will happen. Why don't you believe him that it was supposed to happen in their life time?

According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
1 Thess 4:15

Paul did not say "nobody of us will be alive, it will happen 2,000 years after us, do not worry".

Paul was speaking about "we Christians" who are alive when the dead in Christ are resurrected.

Why do you think that there are pre-trib, mid-trib, pre-wrath, post-trib views of the rapture held by Christians ?

 

[HealthyShape]

Paul was speaking about "we Christians" who are alive when the dead in Christ are resurrected.

You are completely changing the text and giving it another context than is the original one. It proves that the text of the New Testament as such is against your view.

Why do you think that there are pre-trib, mid-trib, pre-wrath, post-trib views of the rapture held by Christians ?

Most Christians do not expect any rapture - protestants, catholics, orthodox.

Among modern evangelicals (roughly since the 19th century), there are various rapture views being spread, all constructed on out of the context biblical passages. Similarly to what you did to the text written by Paul - basically rewriting it to be about you.

 

[jeffweeder]

This is changing/twisting the Scriptures. There is no "the beginning of" in the verse.

ἀλλὰ τοῦτό ἐστιν τὸ εἰρημένον διὰ τοῦ προφήτου Ἰωήλ
No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel (NIV)

The "Amplified Bible" should not be quoted in discussions. It is not a translation, it is a rewriting according to what the AB people would like the text to say.

What are you talking about?
It speaks of those days when the Spirit of God will be poured out on all Mankind THROUGH REPENTANCE AND ACCEPTANCE OF THE GOSPEL.
Pentecost had a beginning lol, and is still continuing. The door is still open.

 

[HealthyShape]

What are you talking about?

About the New Testament verse. Peter said "this is it". He did not say "this is the beginning of it". I do not like adding to Scriptures.

 

[jeffweeder]

About the New Testament verse.


This is not in the Bible, it is just your "lol" kind of opinion. Peter said "this is it". He did not say "this is the beginning of it". It is adding to Scriptures.

Do you believe the Holy Spirit is still being poured out today.?
What would be the point of the Lord coming before the Gospel is preached to every tribe, and all Mankind is open to receiving the Gospel?.

 

[jeffweeder]

Yes, Paul spoke about it and that some of them will be alive when it will happen. Why don't you believe him that it was supposed to happen in their life time?

See above

According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
1 Thess 4:15

Nobody was glorified in the first century.

Paul did not say "nobody of us will be alive, it will happen 2,000 years after us, do not worry". But this is exactly how you are reading it, right?

Of course. Paul put his future glorification in the future, along with all will come to believe and have the Spirit poured out on them.


2tim 4
6 For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure [from this world] is at hand and I will soon go free. 7 I have fought the good and worthy and noble fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith [firmly guarding the gospel against error]. 8 In the future there is reserved for me the [victor’s] crown of righteousness [for being right with God and doing right], which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that [great] day—and not to me only, but also to all those who have loved and longed for and welcomed His appearing.

2thess 1
9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day [that is, glorified through the changed lives of those who have accepted Him as Savior and have been set apart for His purpose], and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed and trusted [and confirmed in your lives].


you do believe eternal judgment takes place in the future right?
You're in Bad shape not healthy shape

 

[MatthewG]

I don't need historical evidence...

Faith it was pleases God, not witnessing Jesus return.

To me in those people in that day also physically seen Jesus in the clouds, just had he had left.

People conitnue to quote "2 Thessalonians." That was to the people of Thessolonica...
They quote "2 Timothy 4", That was a letter written by Paul to Timothy.

 

[MatthewG]

I don't need historical evidence...

Faith it was pleases God, not witnessing Jesus return.

To me in those people in that day also physically seen Jesus in the clouds, just had he had left.

People conitnue to quote "2 Thessalonians." That was to the people of Thessolonica...
They quote "2 Timothy 4", That was a letter written by Paul to Timothy.

Upon death, each soul faces judgment and enters the eternal realm where Yahavah—also known as Yahweh or Yehovah—dwells in glory.
Scripture affirms this in Hebrews 9:27: “It is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment.”


Every individual will be judged according to the life they lived, the condition of their heart, and their response to truth.
As 1 Samuel 16:7 reminds us, “Man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”


It is through Jesus the Messiah that we are made righteous before Yahavah.
Romans 5:1 declares, “Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.”


Spiritual maturity is not passive—it is cultivated. Each believer is called to build up their inner man or woman by abiding in Christ, walking in faith, and expressing love through the power of the resurrected Lord.
John 15:4 exhorts, “Abide in Me, and I in you.”
And Galatians 5:22–23 outlines the fruit of the Spirit: “Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.”


Faith is not uniform—there are varying measures given to each according to God’s design.
Romans 12:3 says, “God has allotted to each a measure of faith.”


Likewise, there are differing glories in the resurrection, as Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 15:41:
“There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.”


Ultimately, what remains is the heavenly Kingdom. According to Revelation 21–22, some will enter its gates, while others remain outside—each according to their response to the Lamb and the truth.
Revelation 21:27 warns, “Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.”

 

[jeffweeder]

To me in those people in that day also physically seen Jesus in the clouds, just had he had left.

If that was the case, then this would have gloriously happened......,


1Jn 3
2 Beloved, we are [even here and] now children of God, and it is not yet made clear what we will be [after His coming]. We know that when He comes and is revealed, we will [as His children] be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is [in all His glory].

Phill 3
18 For there are many, of whom I have often told you, and now tell you even with tears, who live as enemies of the cross of Christ [rejecting and opposing His way of salvation], 19 whose fate is destruction, whose god is their belly [their worldly appetite, their sensuality, their vanity], and whose glory is in their shame—who focus their mind on earthly and temporal things. 20 But [we are different, because] our citizenship is in heaven. And from there we eagerly await [the coming of] the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; 21 who, by exerting that power which enables Him even to subject everything to Himself, will [not only] transform [but completely refashion] our earthly bodies so that they will be like His glorious resurrected body.


Patience Matthew.

 

[MatthewG]

That just all confirms people were waiting... in that day, in the age.

I do not believe I have to belive Jesus is coming today. @jeffweeder.

You are allowed to be yourself and say what you believe if you would like to I would never take that away from you.

All people are responsible for themselves. Everyone is accountable to God.

I answered your question concerning judgement.


Ive answered all the questions I possibly could, and I can't answer all of them.


No one should ever trust me, or anyone else on this website on their beliefs, and they should be encouraged to check things out for themselves.

 

[MatthewG]

Believing that Jesus has come back already.

Is not a salvation issue. It's a worldview issue.

Seening Jesus having not lied, and the Apostles having not lied to those people, and having faith that Jesus did come and get them, and we live in the new earth and new heaven by virute of the Spirit resurrected Lord Jesus with in us...

Is a worldview changing perspective. Yahweh so loved the World he sent his Son to save it.

 

[quietthinker]

Not a future seeing Jesus coming guy​

What! has the bride been stood up?

 

[MatthewG]

I'm deeply grateful to the forum moderators for allowing this thread to exist.
It’s a personal space—one that doesn’t demand agreement, only the freedom to explore.


I’m thankful for the opportunity to read, reflect, and deduce insights that others may not have yet considered.
There’s value in asking questions that challenge inherited assumptions.


Consider the generations who were told, “Jesus is coming soon—be ready,” and believed the world was on the brink of destruction.
For many, that belief shaped life choices—marriage, family, and personal ambition were set aside in anticipation of an imminent end.


Today, there are those who’ve been spiritually crushed by rigid doctrines like Calvinism, or by movements that offered false hope and distorted agendas—cults such as Heaven’s Gate come to mind.


What I cherish most is the freedom to think critically and choose for myself what I believe.
Whether or not the bride of Christ—governed by the Apostles—was taken by Jesus in a physical return, I acknowledge that no definitive proof exists. And that’s okay.


Remember what Jesus said in the Gospel accounts?
"You seek a sign, but no sign will be given except the sign of Jonah." (Matthew 12:39)


Jonah wasn’t ready for the great fish—but the people of Jesus’ time were watching, waiting, and vulnerable to deception. Faith, in that context, was fragile and easily swayed.

 

[soberxp]

Nothing "last days" about today. Imagine how people during the WW2 had to feel.

Not very far from 2008.10.10

 

[amigo de christo]

Not very far from 2008.10.10

what occurred on oct tenth two thousand and eight .

 

[soberxp]

what occurred on oct tenth two thousand and eight .

The return of him. I just the messenger

 

[amigo de christo]

The return of him. I just the messenger

and by him i assume that means CHRIST .
Someone lied to us my friend . So when you include that message
be sure and add in , WE DONT BELEIVE THAT for second . Trench TIME in the building .

 

[MatthewG]

Well, while people can say whatever they want to. The content and context of the narrative points to 70Ad.

Because taking Yeshua for his word concerning that generation, it was 40 years before the destruction occurred, along with the taking of the bride.

Therefore, that is where I personally stand concerning 1000 years.

Not a single person should ever believe me but seek out for themselves.