Poor way to form doctrine if you ask me. You are making this up as you go along it seems. Peter never says anything like this, nor does anyone else in Scripture.
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The Mark of the Beast is here!
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Ronald Nolette
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So? You don't think God could use Peter before receiving the Spirit?
God says this:
Acts 1:20-26
King James Version
20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
But you say God was incapable of making Peter wait and that this choice is a lie! Heavy accusation for a mere man.
Now see you open your mouth and show yourself a fool. Yes, I am a literalist. that means I also recognize their are symbols, types and allegories in the bible that the bible itself explains!
But spiritualizing Scriptures like you do is exactly what all cults and cult leader wanna-be's do! What you do is this: " I know what the bible says, but it really means this". do you really think on things so important god would wait two millennia for earburner to show up and explain things to us?
Ronald Nolette
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So why is the bible so definitely mute on the subject? Couldn't God correct Peters mistake like He did before? Was God on vacation when Peter made this decision? Why did Paul say He visited with the twelve! Didn't Paul know Matthias was a usurper and Peter was disobedient to god?
And yo interpreted it by some ethereal feeling and call that the Holy Spirit? You position yourself above all other believers who disagree with you. whats next? Becoming part of the trinity for you? You have not proven them wrong. You just vomit out your ad-hominems.
I ask you once again, are you a faithful memeber of a local assembly of vewlievers and sit under the authority of a pasto/teacher as both are called for in Scripture?
So you have 486 1/2 literal years for Daniel and then have an allegorical 31/2 years that has gone on for 2000 years. aalso you have the angel calling on Israel to do these things, but you correct the angel message and say God really meant that jesus was going to confirm them.
Yet you have not shown from history when these six things were fulfilled. You should be able to point to a place in time and space and say"here is when 1-6 were fulfilled. but you refuse. Could it be they were so spiritual not even you can see them???
Ronald Nolette
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Oh so you follow the teachings of churchianity as well, just the amillennial/preterist view! In a word that is called hypocrisy on your part. Once again , if anyone disagrees with Almighty earburnber, they have not heard from the Holy Spirit! How do you fit your inflated ego out a door?
I see that you also don't understand or comprehend all of 1 Cor. ch. 2, but for the sake of it, you would much rather think along the lines of the wisdom of men and not that which the Holy Spirit teaches, which is comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
Did you forget how Matthias was selected?
A game of chance called in our terms, "the luck of the draw".
Oh, but God forbid, let's not think of it that way, even though that is exactly how it was.
Now think on Jesus' choice, of which Peter did not wait for.
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Proverbs 16:33 LITV
The lot is cast into the lap, but all ordering of it is from Jehovah.
My faith in Jesus does not stand in the wisdom of men [church-ianity] , but rather in the power [authority/strength] of God.
1 Cor. 2:5
Those who are of Church-ianity are quite the opposite. They have a form of godliness but deny the power [authority/strength] thereof. 2 Tim. 3:5.
"All of the churches have some of His Truth, but none of the churches have all of His Truth"- Earburner.
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Though that is how men in their "natural mind" choose disciples, that is not how God chooses disciples. He personally CALLS them.
I suppose you say the same for all the other times the casting of lots was used in the Bible, is that so?
Regardless, it remains true that the Bible calls them "the twelve" including Matthias, and that Paul is right there on the same page. But you know better than Paul.
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Actually everyone can see them through faith. Here is the place in time and space of when Dan. 9:24, the 6 works of God were fulfilled (finished).
John 19
[30] When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
It was in the "midst" of the 70th week
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No, I don't disagree in the other times of casting lots. I'm just saying that God does not CALL His disciples that way.
Yes, Matthias was pushed into the lot of the eleven by Peter's 50/50 Raffle of only two candidates. And yes, there was a "winner", but I for one cannot say that it was God's choice, when knowing beforehand, that Jesus had His eye on Paul all the while, and did CALL him in the will of His precise timing.
Btw, concerning every biblical subject and topic: "There can always be more than one lie, but there can never be more than one truth"- Earburner
I believe that Paul, by his humility in God, chose to not bring contention into the churches. Today, by the Lord's Spirit within us, between Matthias and Paul, we really do know who is who in truth.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts in our discussion of "comparing spiritual things with spiritual".
Earburner
Moving back on to the topic of this thread: "The Mark of the Beast is here", I am hoping that all born again Christians understand that no one is going to come out from the world's side of the fence and say: Hey, all of you Christians, be careful the Mark of the Beast is here.
Ronald Nolette
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So you believe God made a mistake! Paul even called him an apostle. But you won't. Talk about mans wisdom! You do not even accept the Bible
Ronald Nolette
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So are you claiming you have all truth and perfect knowledge?
Once again you have elevated yourself above millions of christians and by implication have called them all unsaved. How do you fit that ego of yours out a double door?
Once again do you belong to a local fellowship of believers and sit under the authority of a pastor/teacher as commanded in Scripture?
Ronald Nolette
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So then point to the time and space where each of the six works the angel gave to the people of Israel, and then according to earburner and I assume you were transferred to jesus to accomplish.
BTW the "it is finished" was in regards to paying the full penalty for sin, not finish all the works of God.
Ronald Nolette
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Once again yo ufollow churchianity as much as all other believers do!
Have you had any serious training in Scripture or have you just sat at home and learned by yourslef and allegedly from the Holy spirit?
The six works of God:
KJV Dan. 9[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
1. FINISH the transgression [since Adam].
2. make an end of sins,
3. make reconciliation for iniquity,
4. bring in everlasting righteousness,
5. seal up the [this] vision and the [this] prophecy,
6. anoint the most Holy [who is Jesus].
God the Son was to "finish" the six works of God the Father through the sacrifice of His body of flesh, NOT Israel.
Jesus Himself is the completed work of a New creature (creation), aka the First of His kind.
The vehicle of the benefits of that work is the Holy Spirit of God, who takes up His residence within all who are Born again.
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