Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? Because of this, wrath has gone out against you from the Lord.

[Behold]

Why support secular Israel and Zionists pushing a Third Temple to resume animal sacrifices, denying Christ's once-for-all atonement?

Its a LIE to state that "Israel" is "pushing" a Third Temple.

They are not.
Nearly 50% of the Jews in Israel are not religious., and those who are, are mostly not related to the 13% religious Zionists who are trying to restore the Temple.
So, its a lie to state that a small religious minority who are "Temple obsessed" is "ISRAEL" doing it.

Feel free to stop lying about this anytime.. @Chrysostomos

 

[Chrysostomos]

Let me show you the realitiy.
See these Religious Jews. These are the "Black Coats".
They are the fanatical Zionist's who want to rebuild the Temple.
The are 13% of the population of Israel.
Netanyahu is not one of those.
The other 70% of Jews in Israel are also not this group.

You claim to live in Israel and therefore "know better." But! You don’t even know the official statistics from the Israel Democracy Institute and Temple Institute.
According to their 2025 data, the level of support among Israeli Jews for building the Third Temple breaks down as follows:

By groups:

Religious-Zionist: ~70–80% support it (Temple Institute polls, 2025).

Ultra-Orthodox (haredi): ~50–60% (messianic expectations).

Secular (hiloni): <10% (most oppose due to peace concerns).

Traditional (masorti): ~15–20% (cultural interest).

This shows you’re misleading again with your fabricated "13% religious Jews" who supposedly alone want to build the Third Temple. In any case, I don’t see how this helps you—99.7% of Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah and the only true Savior. So, the question remains: Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? Why should Christians support the state of Israel?

 

[Behold]

Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord?

Jesus said to love your enemies.

I dont expect an antisemite to be able to do it.

I expect them to come to a "christian" forum and try to get Real Christians to oppose Israel.
This is the devil's work.

See you there next time @Chrysostomos

Why should Christians support the state of Israel?

Because God does.
God Loves Israel, and Real Christians are to love what God loves.

You are unable., as you keep proving.

 

[amigo de christo]

The Roman Catholic Church (RCC) didn't invent the Abraham Accords; those were a diplomatic initiative by the Trump administration (2020, led by Kushner) for normalizing ties between Israel and Arab nations (UAE, Bahrain, etc.). RCC isn't the originator. You said "WE ALL BEING deceived,". Yet it seems like one of those deceiving us is you.

The real question isn't who started what—it's: Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? Why support secular Israel and Zionists pushing a Third Temple to resume animal sacrifices, denying Christ's once-for-all atonement?

Mayhaps i meant INTERFAITH . but you go and examine that int erfaith
WHICH did come out of the RCC . then read the abraham peace accords
THEY all teach and have bought the same lie .
Pope francis did more to lead in this than most .
However to answer your question , should we help the wicked and help those who love the LORD .
NO way . but you go and examine both the abraham peace accords
AND this ecumincal WHORE LED interfaith . ITS all one and the same .
ITS the same feather . Just cause one pulled a purple feather out of the peacock
and another pulled a blue one , and another a red one , and another a green one .
ITS STILL THE SAME PEA COCK buddy and its still its feathers .
I wont sit at the table of a one of them . NO ecumincal for me , no co exist , no seeker friendly ,
no bridge builders , no alpah courses , no abraham peace accords
THEY ALL GONNA MERGE . tis the same peacock with diverse colors of the same fea thers . THEY DUPED ALL my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus said to love your enemies.

I dont expect an antisemite to be able to do it.

I expect them to come to a "christian" forum and try to get Real Christians to oppose Israel.
This is the devil's work.

See you there next time @Chrysostomos




Because God does.
God Loves Israel, and Real Christians are to love what God loves.

You are unable., as you keep proving.

Do not suckle from the paps of a harlot Christ denying agenda .
NO matter how that agenda might come cloaked .
Always it will have some good things in it . BUT IT DO DENY JESUS THE CHRIST .
I dont give a rip . Sure its good the hostages got released .
BUT that abraham peace accords IS A FAT LIE . we mus have no part in it .
They are tricking us into beleiveing its for the good of Israel .
But it aint . NOT salvational wise . THE LIE is in it . THE LIE of all that is unholy is IN IT .
And i will NOT support such a thing . And you cannot either .
THEY are g onna decieve THIS WORLD as HAS THE HARLOT .
THE LIE is in it . THE LIE of anti christ IS IN IT .

 

[amigo de christo]

You claim to live in Israel and therefore "know better." But! You don’t even know the official statistics from the Israel Democracy Institute and Temple Institute.
According to their 2025 data, the level of support among Israeli Jews for building the Third Temple breaks down as follows:

By groups:

Religious-Zionist: ~70–80% support it (Temple Institute polls, 2025).

Ultra-Orthodox (haredi): ~50–60% (messianic expectations).

Secular (hiloni): <10% (most oppose due to peace concerns).

Traditional (masorti): ~15–20% (cultural interest).

This shows you’re misleading again with your fabricated "13% religious Jews" who supposedly alone want to build the Third Temple. In any case, I don’t see how this helps you—99.7% of Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah and the only true Savior. So, the question remains: Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? Why should Christians support the state of Israel?

This abraham peace accords IS NOT and will NOT WORK to the good of even Israel or this world .
HERE is what it will do , in time convince all peoples
tribes , religoins that we serving the same GOD . THE LIE OF ANTI CHRIST IS IN IT .
THE SAME LIE them popes been selling through interreligious int efaith dialgoue.
THIS is not gonna save this w orld or israel .
ITS GONNA DAMN EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM . HEAR that and HEAR LOUDLY .
THIS is a snare , IT ALL IS . they been infiltrating ALL realms FOR YEARS and making ready this people for perdition

 

[Chrysostomos]

.No one can change the prophecy, the Antichrist is the Antichrist, and no one can change that. On that day they elect a man who stands in the Temple of God and calls himself God or the Messiah.

This is the only way to round up their lies, but does not rule out their practice to realize their mistakes, but I think the possibility is remote.

Prophecies will be fulfilled, as Scripture says—no one can change God's word (Matthew 24:35). But the question isn't whether we can alter prophecies; it's why help the Antichrist fulfill them?

As I've said before, some claim we must support Israel to hasten prophecies about the Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:3–4). But by that logic, should we help the global government build a digital concentration camp? Should we aid in implementing the "mark of the beast," where no one can buy or sell without it (Revelation 13:16–18)? Should we assist Satanists in destroying Christians, since prophecy says believers will be killed (Revelation 13:7; Matthew 24:9)? That would mean helping kill ourselves—absurd!

 

[amigo de christo]

The Roman Catholic Church (RCC) didn't invent the Abraham Accords; those were a diplomatic initiative by the Trump administration (2020, led by Kushner) for normalizing ties between Israel and Arab nations (UAE, Bahrain, etc.). RCC isn't the originator. You said "WE ALL BEING deceived,". Yet it seems like one of those deceiving us is you.

The real question isn't who started what—it's: Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? Why support secular Israel and Zionists pushing a Third Temple to resume animal sacrifices, denying Christ's once-for-all atonement?

many within maga now support interfaith ecumincal lies . MANY .
They are merging now .
The liberals fed it one way and the evangelical realm another way .
BUT ALL do the bidding of the mother harlot and that which is of anti christ .
SO my advice to us all . COME YE OUT from amongst them
and in no way partake of this cup.
It has infiltrated all realms now .
Politics is not the answer
and sadly most all of christendom no longer even knows the answer .
as churches have long sucked the paps of the whore and lead this people astray .
SO i say , BIBLE TIME in the building and lets all examine WHAT GOD , WHAT CHRIST we been following all along .
Our kingdom IS NOT earthern . SO dont run to natural israel either .
TIME to preach JESUS THE CHRIST . Now know and understand this will make us most hated of all realms .
BUT TRUTH IS TRUTH and we must count the cost . CONFORM not the THIS WICKED WHORE
and let none sip of her cup . TIme to do exploits , time to contend for the true faith .
CURSED is the man whose hope is in man but BLESSED is the man whose HOPE BE IN GOD .

 

[Chrysostomos]

Jesus said to love your enemies.

I dont expect an antisemite to be able to do it.

I expect them to come to a "christian" forum and try to get Real Christians to oppose Israel.
This is the devil's work.

See you there next time @Chrysostomos

For discussing what Jesus meant by "love your enemies," I have a separate thread: "Do Not Murder vs. You Must Kill: Understanding 'Kill' and 'Murder' in Biblical Commands." If you read it, you'll see there are different types of enemies. You make a common mistake by not considering who Jesus was addressing, in what context, and for what purpose when He said, "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" (Matthew 5:44). My focus is on the Jewish context of Jesus’ sermon and how His contemporaries, familiar with the Torah in Hebrew, understood His words.

Jesus spoke these words in the Sermon on the Mount, addressing a crowd that included Pharisees, scribes, and their followers, many of whom "hated Him without cause" (John 15:25, quoting Psalm 69:4). In this context, Jesus was speaking to those who saw Him as a sanē (נַאֲךָ), a personal opponent, per the Torah (Proverbs 25:21: "If your enemy is hungry, give him bread"). He said, "Though you see Me as sanē (נַאֲךָ), you must love Me, as the Law commands." Jews couldn’t view Him as an oyev (איב), a military or external enemy like the Romans. Jesus said nothing new; He reiterated the Torah known to His audience.

The tragedy and immorality lie in this: these Jews, seeing Him as sanē (נַאֲךָ), handed Him over to the Romans, the oyev (איב), Israel’s external enemies. This was an unprecedented crime for Jews. In Jewish thought, using an oyev (איב), like the Romans, to deal with a sanē (נַאֲךָ) was unthinkable—comparable to a Jew in Nazi Germany betraying another Jew to Hitler, the oyev (איב). This act was a monstrous moral crime, incomprehensible without the full Gospel context.

Because God does.
God Loves Israel, and Real Christians are to love what God loves.

You are unable., as you keep proving.

Your claim that "God loves Israel, and real Christians are to love what God loves" ignores: 99.7% of Jews in Israel reject Jesus as the Messiah and the only true Savior.
Jesus said, "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them" (John 3:36).
God's wrath abides on all who deny Jesus as Messiah and Savior—no exceptions, including Jews.

So, the question remains: Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? Why should Christians support the state of Israel?

 

[shepherdsword]

So, if even the first Christians moved away from temple rituals, why do Christian Zionists support building a Third Temple and resuming animal sacrifices? Doesn’t this contradict the Gospel’s teaching that Jesus’ sacrifice was once for all? How do you reconcile their support with the clear New Testament rejection of returning to Old Testament shadows (Hebrews 8:13)?

There is a big difference between supporting a third temple and observing that one will one day be built. As for political support for Israel? Who else in the region do you think we should support? Hamas? The muslim brotherhood?

 

[Marvelloustime]

many within maga now support interfaith ecumincal lies . MANY .
They are merging now .
The liberals fed it one way and the evangelical realm another way .
BUT ALL do the bidding of the mother harlot and that which is of anti christ .
SO my advice to us all . COME YE OUT from amongst them
and in no way partake of this cup.
It has infiltrated all realms now .
Politics is not the answer
and sadly most all of christendom no longer even knows the answer .
as churches have long sucked the paps of the whore and lead this people astray .
SO i say , BIBLE TIME in the building and lets all examine WHAT GOD , WHAT CHRIST we been following all along .
Our kingdom IS NOT earthern . SO dont run to natural israel either .
TIME to preach JESUS THE CHRIST . Now know and understand this will make us most hated of all realms .
BUT TRUTH IS TRUTH and we must count the cost . CONFORM not the THIS WICKED WHORE
and let none sip of her cup . TIme to do exploits , time to contend for the true faith .
CURSED is the man whose hope is in man but BLESSED is the man whose HOPE BE IN GOD .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

This abraham peace accords IS NOT and will NOT WORK to the good of even Israel or this world .
HERE is what it will do , in time convince all peoples
tribes , religoins that we serving the same GOD . THE LIE OF ANTI CHRIST IS IN IT .
THE SAME LIE them popes been selling through interreligious int efaith dialgoue.
THIS is not gonna save this w orld or israel .
ITS GONNA DAMN EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM . HEAR that and HEAR LOUDLY .
THIS is a snare , IT ALL IS . they been infiltrating ALL realms FOR YEARS and making ready this people for perdition

@amigo de christo

 

[Chrysostomos]

There is a big difference between supporting a third temple and observing that one will one day be built. As for political support for Israel? Who else in the region do you think we should support? Hamas? The muslim brotherhood?

Indeed, we must distinguish between supporting the Third Temple and the state of Israel, but the question persists: Why do some Americans, particularly MAGA supporters like Pete Hegseth, openly back the construction of the Third Temple in Jerusalem?

As for your question, "Who else in the region should we support? Hamas? Muslim Brotherhood?"—that's a false dichotomy. The MAGA crowd often insists Israel is the only US ally in the Middle East, but that's demonstrably false. Look at the facts:

Saudi Arabia: Key partner; US provides arms and intel. ~5,000 US troops (Prince Sultan Air Base). Supports anti-Iran and anti-Houthi efforts.

UAE: Direct ally post-Abraham Accords (2020). ~2,000 US troops (Al Dhafra Air Base).

Qatar: Hosts largest US base (Al Udeid, ~10,000 troops, CENTCOM HQ). Key partner.

Jordan: Reliable ally for stability and migration. ~2,000–3,000 US troops (Muwaffaq Salti Air Base). Anti-ISIS support.

Turkey: NATO member since 1952. ~1,500 US troops (Incirlik Base).

Others: Egypt (~$1.3B/year aid, peace with Israel), Kuwait (~13,500 troops, Camp Arifjan), Bahrain (US 5th Fleet), Oman (base access). ~45,000 US troops total in the region.

How do MAGA supporters reconcile this when Trump is welcomed in UAE and Qatar with golden planes and billions in US investments, yet they claim Israel’s the only ally? Can you explain this contradiction?

 

[shepherdsword]

Indeed, we must distinguish between supporting the Third Temple and the state of Israel, but the question persists: Why do some Americans, particularly MAGA supporters like Pete Hegseth, openly back the construction of the Third Temple in Jerusalem?

As for your question, "Who else in the region should we support? Hamas? Muslim Brotherhood?"—that's a false dichotomy. The MAGA crowd often insists Israel is the only US ally in the Middle East, but that's demonstrably false. Look at the facts:

Saudi Arabia: Key partner; US provides arms and intel. ~5,000 US troops (Prince Sultan Air Base). Supports anti-Iran and anti-Houthi efforts.

UAE: Direct ally post-Abraham Accords (2020). ~2,000 US troops (Al Dhafra Air Base).

Qatar: Hosts largest US base (Al Udeid, ~10,000 troops, CENTCOM HQ). Key partner.

Jordan: Reliable ally for stability and migration. ~2,000–3,000 US troops (Muwaffaq Salti Air Base). Anti-ISIS support.

Turkey: NATO member since 1952. ~1,500 US troops (Incirlik Base).

Others: Egypt (~$1.3B/year aid, peace with Israel), Kuwait (~13,500 troops, Camp Arifjan), Bahrain (US 5th Fleet), Oman (base access). ~45,000 US troops total in the region.

How do MAGA supporters reconcile this when Trump is welcomed in UAE and Qatar with golden planes and billions in US investments, yet they claim Israel’s the only ally? Can you explain this contradiction?

Some believe that the 3rd temple must be built before the return of Jesus.

 

[ProDeo]

Some believe that the 3rd temple must be built before the return of Jesus.

The question is if the Lord God will allow that. The temple was destroyed for a reason, no more animal sacrifice.

 

[soberxp]

Prophecies will be fulfilled, as Scripture says—no one can change God's word (Matthew 24:35). But the question isn't whether we can alter prophecies; it's why help the Antichrist fulfill them?

As I've said before, some claim we must support Israel to hasten prophecies about the Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:3–4). But by that logic, should we help the global government build a digital concentration camp? Should we aid in implementing the "mark of the beast," where no one can buy or sell without it (Revelation 13:16–18)? Should we assist Satanists in destroying Christians, since prophecy says believers will be killed (Revelation 13:7; Matthew 24:9)? That would mean helping kill ourselves—absurd!

你去与敌基督的人谈论他们为什么支持,有意义吗？

Prophecies will be fulfilled, as Scripture says—no one can change God's word (Matthew 24:35). But the question isn't whether we can alter prophecies; it's why help the Antichrist fulfill them?

As I've said before, some claim we must support Israel to hasten prophecies about the Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:3–4). But by that logic, should we help the global government build a digital concentration camp? Should we aid in implementing the "mark of the beast," where no one can buy or sell without it (Revelation 13:16–18)? Should we assist Satanists in destroying Christians, since prophecy says believers will be killed (Revelation 13:7; Matthew 24:9)? That would mean helping kill ourselves—absurd!

Because these people you are talking about are also Antichrists, your idea is not reasonable.

 

[Chrysostomos]

Mayhaps i meant INTERFAITH . but you go and examine that int erfaith
WHICH did come out of the RCC . then read the abraham peace accords
THEY all teach and have bought the same lie .
Pope francis did more to lead in this than most .
However to answer your question , should we help the wicked and help those who love the LORD .
NO way . but you go and examine both the abraham peace accords
AND this ecumincal WHORE LED interfaith . ITS all one and the same .
ITS the same feather . Just cause one pulled a purple feather out of the peacock
and another pulled a blue one , and another a red one , and another a green one .
ITS STILL THE SAME PEA COCK buddy and its still its feathers .
I wont sit at the table of a one of them . NO ecumincal for me , no co exist , no seeker friendly ,
no bridge builders , no alpah courses , no abraham peace accords
THEY ALL GONNA MERGE . tis the same peacock with diverse colors of the same fea thers . THEY DUPED ALL my friend .

Soon enough, the Jews will build the Third Temple, the Antichrist will take his seat, proclaiming himself "god" (2 Thessalonians 2:3–4), and he’ll pluck that peacock clean, ending this ecumenical charade. The second beast—likely some AI—will force worship of the beast’s image, marking everyone with the "mark of the beast" on their right hand or forehead (Revelation 13:15–18), like a barcode or QR code.

That’s a far greater threat than ecumenism, which has been trying—and failing—to herd everyone into one church for ages. They won’t succeed; time’s up. The Antichrist will drive them all into his "synagogue of Satan" (Revelation 2:9). So, why worry about ecumenism when the real danger is Christians supporting Israel’s temple push, enabling the Antichrist’s rise? Should we help those who hate the Lord?

 

[shepherdsword]

The question is if the Lord God will allow that. The temple was destroyed for a reason, no more animal sacrifice.

I guess that remains to be seen. Israel is gathering the necessary elements to build it now.

 

[ProDeo]

I guess that remains to be seen. Israel is gathering the necessary elements to build it now.

I am aware, they do so since Moshe Dayan said no in 1967, perhaps you remember.

 

[shepherdsword]

I am aware, they do so since Moshe Dayan said no in 1967, perhaps you remember.

I was only 5 in 67 bro....lol