Was the Cross Always Understood?

[amigo de christo]

That’ only HALF of the story . . .

Paul is comparing the fallen with those formerly secure but have ALSO fallen.
He is writing to believing Christians and that’s why he says:

“… but God's kindness to you, provided you REMAIN in his kindness; otherwise “YOU TOO will be CUT OFF.”

Explain what this means if NOT a loss of salvation.

My friend your rage against the machine has blinded you and made you half mad .
HELLO that is what I was SAYING . it was salvation . goodness my warrior of the harlot , try reading it again .
I said that . IF jews not in the tree have NO salvation
THEN NEITHER DO gentile believers who remain NOT in said tree .
BEING OUT of said tree equals NO Salvation . Reread what i wrote . Slowly .
And one more thing , GET OUT of the RCC my friend and never look back .
But i said you were correct on that statement .
BUT beware for i could also once lip the gospel and some truths too , BUT iwas lost in my sin
and STILL did not KNOW HIM . You must come out of her my friend . You absolutely must .
We cant cling to truths and to lies . IT MUST BE THE TRUTH .

 

[amigo de christo]

In other words you can’t tell me what Paul is saying in Rom. 11:22 - can you?
What does he mean by, “… you too will be CUT OFF”??

Read the verse s-l-o-w-l-y and see that Paul is comparing the fallen with those formerly secure but have ALSO fallen.

And don’t think I didn’t notice that you completely ignored my challenge to explain the other verses I listed that PROVE my point that salvation can be LOST . . .
(Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-22, Matt. 5:13, 1 Cor. 9:27, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19)

The b lind cannot lead the blind .
Today the RCC is winning this round . THEY cannot help you and you cannot help them .
SO LONG as MEN stay GLUED TO THE DOCTRIENS OF MEN whether OF THE RCC OR the PROTESTANT REALM
THEN THE BLIND just holler at the blind .
And the one common t hing that both sides have in common
IS they learned the doctrines t hrough men
And beleived they had to sit under such m en to learn . Talk about DELUSION .
the blind with planks cannot pull the plank out of the others eye .
But soon YOU ALL WILL MERGE as one . You all will happily rid the earth of men such as men
WHo FLAT OUT would not sit under men but TESTED MEN and learned my bible for ME .
YEah both sides hate that man . big time . Wanna know why .
cause i expose THEIR ERRORS and SINS . but you all will merge under inclusive love the longer this rolls on .
I am so sorry for all my friend . ALL i truly ever desired was good for all . But man gonna do as man gonna do
and men gonna love as men gonna love .
BUT SHEEP g onna do as JESUS said do and LOVE THE TRUTH of HIS E VERY WORD and test all men . How about t hat .

 

[Marvelloustime]

The b lind cannot lead the blind .
Today the RCC is winning this round . THEY cannot help you and you cannot help them .
SO LONG as MEN stay GLUED TO THE DOCTRIENS OF MEN whether OF THE RCC OR the PROTESTANT REALM
THEN THE BLIND just holler at the blind .
And the one common t hing that both sides have in common
IS they learned the doctrines t hrough men
And beleived they had to sit under such m en to learn . Talk about DELUSION .
the blind with planks cannot pull the plank out of the others eye .
But soon YOU ALL WILL MERGE as one . You all will happily rid the earth of men such as men
WHo FLAT OUT would not sit under men but TESTED MEN and learned my bible for ME .
YEah both sides hate that man . big time . Wanna know why .
cause i expose THEIR ERRORS and SINS . but you all will merge under inclusive love the longer this rolls on .
I am so sorry for all my friend . ALL i truly ever desired was good for all . But man gonna do as man gonna do
and men gonna love as men gonna love .
BUT SHEEP g onna do as JESUS said do and LOVE THE TRUTH of HIS E VERY WORD and test all men . How about t hat .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

My friend your rage against the machine has blinded you and made you half mad .
HELLO that is what I was SAYING . it was salvation . goodness my warrior of the harlot , try reading it again .
I said that . IF jews not in the tree have NO salvation
THEN NEITHER DO gentile believers who remain NOT in said tree .
BEING OUT of said tree equals NO Salvation . Reread what i wrote . Slowly .
And one more thing , GET OUT of the RCC my friend and never look back .
But i said you were correct on that statement .
BUT beware for i could also once lip the gospel and some truths too , BUT iwas lost in my sin
and STILL did not KNOW HIM . You must come out of her my friend . You absolutely must .
We cant cling to truths and to lies . IT MUST BE THE TRUTH .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

Do not give power unto the RCC .
Sadly that man is correct on this . I mean
DID the jews who were cast out of their own tree DUE to unbeleif HAVE salvation .
OR would they have to come in through FAITH .
SO if one continues NOT IN HIM , NOT In his Goodness , they too are cast out of said tree .
IF a man is not in said tree , HE HAS NO SALVATION . But as paul once wrote
the jews who were cast out can be grafted back in , IF they COME TO BELEIVE , HAVE faith in HIM
You give power to a very dangerous place . Because It makes this man appear correct
and yet i know what he sits under . And what he sits under is dangerous . SO please pray about this my friend .
Its real simple . ANY not in the tree HAS NOT salvation .
For They have NOT FAITH IN CHRIST .
IF a man continues NOT IN ME HE is cast forth . SO the key is all about CONTINUING in teh FAITH in CHRIST JESUS
and Those who do beleive WOULD have the SPIRIT by which we are unctioned , given the d esires
and ability . to do the things pleasing TO GOD .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

@amigo de christo
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the go spell of the well favored harlot IS ANOTHER GOSPEL and IT AINT NO GOSPEL either .

 

[BreadOfLife]

My friend your rage against the machine has blinded you and made you half mad .
HELLO that is what I was SAYING . it was salvation . goodness my warrior of the harlot , try reading it again .
I said that . IF jews not in the tree have NO salvation
THEN NEITHER DO gentile believers who remain NOT in said tree .
BEING OUT of said tree equals NO Salvation . Reread what i wrote . Slowly .
And one more thing , GET OUT of the RCC my friend and never look back .
But i said you were correct on that statement .
BUT beware for i could also once lip the gospel and some truths too , BUT iwas lost in my sin
and STILL did not KNOW HIM . You must come out of her my friend . You absolutely must .
We cant cling to truths and to lies . IT MUST BE THE TRUTH .

Then YOU need to write in a manner that is not polluted with third-rate, quasi-poetic language

If this is the way you communicate in-person – you probably don’t have many friends. At least none that will listen to you or take you seriously . . .

As for “rage” – there was NONE in my post.

 

[amigo de christo]

Then YOU need to write in a manner that is not polluted with third-rate, quasi-poetic language

If this is the way you communicate in-person – you probably don’t have many friends. At least none that will listen to you or take you seriously . . .

As for “rage” – there was NONE in my post.

expression of speech . rage against the machine .
Remember i did try and help you my friend .

 

[BreadOfLife]

expression of speech .

No - it's more like arrested development.

rage against the machine .

No - just a rejection of stupidity . . .

Remember i did try and help you my friend .

Most of your posts are nothig more than ignorant anti-Cathollic rants.
Besides - how can YOU help when you're more lost and confused than 90% of the posters on this forum?

 

[Fred J]

Satan knew of the coming death and resurrection of Christ,

Is there scripture to support this theory of yours?

1 Corinthians 2:
8. Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

John 8:
44. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do, He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. ................

Scripturally based, if satan knew, he could have some or rather used these princes not to have the Lord crucified.

Because first of all, the prophecy GOD spoke on Eve will become true, as her offspring will bruise him on the head.

And all mankind he has deceived to sin and rebelled against GOD, have now salvation through the Lord's crucifixion, death and resurrection, thus sin has lost it's power and death has lost it's sting.

For we believe that satan and his angels knew not, since moreover, there's no truth in him.

Thank you and shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Then, instead of your usual cowardly denials – ADDRSS THOSE VERSES and REFUTE them.

Rom. 11:22
“See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you REMAIN in his kindness; otherwise “you to will be CUT OFF.”

WHAT does that mean?
WHAT is Paul referring to, if NOT salvation??

I’ll wait right here for your explanation of EACH verse . . .
(Rom. 11:22, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-22, Matt. 5:13, 1 Cor. 9:27, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19)

Your bent upon ad hominem destroys any integrity in your chastisements. Assuming yourself superior in your understanding by way of eisegetical interpretations is most telling as well. I'm not going to attack your character as you have done toward me because sinking into that pathetic pitfall just isn't productive. I recommend you begin reading scripture for what it actually says without injecting whatever you want to believe into what is written.

BTW

 

[amigo de christo]

Let all flee the flapping lips of the harlot
for on the day of the LORD her and her children Shall recieve the wrath of GOD and of the LAMB .

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Do not give power unto the RCC .
Sadly that man is correct on this . I mean
DID the jews who were cast out of their own tree DUE to unbeleif HAVE salvation .
OR would they have to come in through FAITH .
SO if one continues NOT IN HIM , NOT In his Goodness , they too are cast out of said tree .
IF a man is not in said tree , HE HAS NO SALVATION . But as paul once wrote
the jews who were cast out can be grafted back in , IF they COME TO BELEIVE , HAVE faith in HIM
You give power to a very dangerous place . Because It makes this man appear correct
and yet i know what he sits under . And what he sits under is dangerous . SO please pray about this my friend .
Its real simple . ANY not in the tree HAS NOT salvation .
For They have NOT FAITH IN CHRIST .
IF a man continues NOT IN ME HE is cast forth . SO the key is all about CONTINUING in teh FAITH in CHRIST JESUS
and Those who do beleive WOULD have the SPIRIT by which we are unctioned , given the d esires
and ability . to do the things pleasing TO GOD .

The meaning in the Romans passage was more about the Gentiles in relation to the world of Gentiles, who will indeed be cut off when the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. It is at that point that the partial blindness upon Israel will be removed. Paul was not saying the believing Gentiles would lose their salvation, but rather that the Gentiles as a population will be cut off at some point if they continue in their rebellion and rejection of Christ. That indeed will happen, therefore it being a matter of when rather than if.

BTW

 

[amigo de christo]

The meaning in the Romans passage was more about the Gentiles in relation to the world of Gentiles, who will indeed be cut off when the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. It is at that point that the partial blindness upon Israel will be removed. Paul was not saying the believing Gentiles would lose their salvation, but rather that the Gentiles as a population will be cut off at some point if they continue in their rebellion and rejection of Christ. That indeed will happen, therefore it being a matter of when rather than if.

BTW

UNBELIEF is the problem .
This man you write too is gonna eat your lunch friend . You are right about one thing though
BELEIVING gentiles WONT LOSE their salvation .
But gentiles who cliam to BELEIVE IN JESUS CHRIST and yet DONT seem to Believe HIS words
WELL , they didnt BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST but rather another jesus .
WHY would paul TELL the BELEIVING GENTILES to be NOT high minded BUT to fear
FOR IF
HE was WARNING THEM TO CONTINUE IN CHRIST , IN HIS GOODNESS , OR ELSE THEY WOULD BE CUT OFF .
IT was a warning . YOU are messing things up my friend .
Time for us all to return to JUST reading the BIBLE for our own selves to learn for ourselves .
MEN been twisting stuff for years .

 

[amigo de christo]

The meaning in the Romans passage was more about the Gentiles in relation to the world of Gentiles, who will indeed be cut off when the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. It is at that point that the partial blindness upon Israel will be removed. Paul was not saying the believing Gentiles would lose their salvation, but rather that the Gentiles as a population will be cut off at some point if they continue in their rebellion and rejection of Christ. That indeed will happen, therefore it being a matter of when rather than if.

BTW

incorrect my friend . IT was a warning TO THEM all right . TO CONTINUE IN CHRIST , IN HIS GOODNESS
or even they TOO WOULD BUT CUT OFF .
JESUS himself had warned HIS OWN of the dire necessity TO CONTINUE IN HIM
so did the apostels .
SO must we . Many might say , hey amigo you aint trusting in JESUS
but in your own works . WRONG again .
ITS HIS WORDS I TRUST . IN HE I DO TRUST . AND HE WARNED his own they must CONTINUE IN HIM
to THE END . i trust HIS words . not slogans , not phrases of men , BUT HIS WORDS .
And apparently SO DID the apostels .
WHY YA THINK they too warned their own TO CONTINUE IN HIM .
I am not the enemy .
NOW just cause bread of life might have a few things right , AT TIMES
darn SURE DONT MAKE HIM RIGH T . I KNOW what he follows .
WE must , i plead , i beg , i beg and i plead , RETURN to the simple love of the truth
and get ourselves b ack in to the BIBLE for ourselves . men been fleecing f or years my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

The meaning in the Romans passage was more about the Gentiles in relation to the world of Gentiles, who will indeed be cut off when the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. It is at that point that the partial blindness upon Israel will be removed. Paul was not saying the believing Gentiles would lose their salvation, but rather that the Gentiles as a population will be cut off at some point if they continue in their rebellion and rejection of Christ. That indeed will happen, therefore it being a matter of when rather than if.

BTW

HE sure did tell the church , YOU BE NOT HIGHMINDED but fear
HE wasnt talking about what you cliam he was
HE was warning the church WHO ALREADY DID BELEIVE in HIM
THEY BETTER CONTINUE IN HIS GOODNESS or ELSE .
Rather than reading it through the lens of men .
I want you to really read it real slowly for yourself . Over and over and over again TILL the simplicity
of what he said SINKS in .
I am only trying to help . As for bread of life , heed not that man .
even if he has a few truths . I KNOW what he follows .
SO my advice remains to all , DO NOT HEED the lips of an ecumincal WHORE or her daughters .
Many now work the work of the ecumenical whore . MANY .
So high a number even within christendom , even prostesetant now do her bidding .
For the LOVE OF GOD and all THAT IS HOLY and PURE and TRUE , Beware of men
and sit not in any place whose focus is on the bridge building , finding common ground
the we are one , the love god that by the day and by the hour
makes the path to GOD only broader and all incluisive . WE must return to prayer and bible reading for our own selves .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Your bent upon ad hominem destroys any integrity in your chastisements. Assuming yourself superior in your understanding by way of eisegetical interpretations is most telling as well. I'm not going to attack your character as you have done toward me because sinking into that pathetic pitfall just isn't productive. I recommend you begin reading scripture for what it actually says without injecting whatever you want to believe into what is written.

BTW

This is yet another dodge . . .

Why are you so afraid to give me your interpretation of these verses??
I only referred to your “cowardly denials” because that’s all you’re willing to present.

When somebody asks you for an explanation for what you believe – you should be ready and willing to give them that information. In fact, we are commanded in Scripture to do so (1 Pet. 3:16).

So, ONE more time . . .
If the following verses aren’t about losing your salvation – WHAT are they trying to convey?

 

[Marvelloustime]

HE sure did tell the church , YOU BE NOT HIGHMINDED but fear
HE wasnt talking about what you cliam he was
HE was warning the church WHO ALREADY DID BELEIVE in HIM
THEY BETTER CONTINUE IN HIS GOODNESS or ELSE .
Rather than reading it through the lens of men .
I want you to really read it real slowly for yourself . Over and over and over again TILL the simplicity
of what he said SINKS in .
I am only trying to help . As for bread of life , heed not that man .
even if he has a few truths . I KNOW what he follows .
SO my advice remains to all , DO NOT HEED the lips of an ecumincal WHORE or her daughters .
Many now work the work of the ecumenical whore . MANY .
So high a number even within christendom , even prostesetant now do her bidding .
For the LOVE OF GOD and all THAT IS HOLY and PURE and TRUE , Beware of men
and sit not in any place whose focus is on the bridge building , finding common ground
the we are one , the love god that by the day and by the hour
makes the path to GOD only broader and all incluisive . WE must return to prayer and bible reading for our own selves .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

incorrect my friend . IT was a warning TO THEM all right . TO CONTINUE IN CHRIST , IN HIS GOODNESS
or even they TOO WOULD BUT CUT OFF .
JESUS himself had warned HIS OWN of the dire necessity TO CONTINUE IN HIM
so did the apostels .
SO must we . Many might say , hey amigo you aint trusting in JESUS
but in your own works . WRONG again .
ITS HIS WORDS I TRUST . IN HE I DO TRUST . AND HE WARNED his own they must CONTINUE IN HIM
to THE END . i trust HIS words . not slogans , not phrases of men , BUT HIS WORDS .
And apparently SO DID the apostels .
WHY YA THINK they too warned their own TO CONTINUE IN HIM .
I am not the enemy .
NOW just cause bread of life might have a few things right , AT TIMES
darn SURE DONT MAKE HIM RIGH T . I KNOW what he follows .
WE must , i plead , i beg , i beg and i plead , RETURN to the simple love of the truth
and get ourselves b ack in to the BIBLE for ourselves . men been fleecing f or years my friend .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

Let all flee the flapping lips of the harlot
for on the day of the LORD her and her children Shall recieve the wrath of GOD and of the LAMB .

@amigo de christo